Why did China fail?

Originally posted by pi8ch
Yeah... that's true, but at least in Siam there was some Chineese influence...
That was only 'cause the Siamese originally came fr Yunnan, where they interacted with the oncoming Chinese invaders for awhile. Also the fact that there're 2-3 million naturalised Chinese in the country.

In terms of culture, govt structure, political ideology, Siam was more influenced by India. Remember that Buddhism in particular was fr India too. ;)
 
Feistymogol,
we are all aware of your red ties(If you are trying to insult or troll posters, please either do not do so, or at least be more clear, so that the moderators may know whether to act or not, Lefty). that makes it kind of interesting

but, the chinese are a complacent people who have done a wonderfull job of staying predominantly independent from the rest of the world. few other people can say that. the chinese have never put much in to engineering or science. that is why there is minimal in chinese history. now that current damn project is something. personally i am very impressed with chinese civilization and it is an insult to me to measure them by western standards.
as an engineer, i dont think a great engineering tradition is necessary to be a great civilization. china is a great civilization. some day i would like the us to that we have stood as long as china. after all, aren't the japanese and korean languages' dialects of a chinese language just as my english is of german?

by general western standards, the probably wont "succeed", but it would be a crime if they would for it would do more damage to china than your current government (in my opinion)
 
Originally posted by Michael York
Feistymogol,
we are all aware of your red ties. that makes it kind of interesting


Oh yeah, that's right can't argue any point rationally so you resort to ad hominem. Typical.

but, the chinese are a complacent people who have done a wonderfull job of staying predominantly independent from the rest of the world. few other people can say that. the chinese have never put much in to engineering or science.

I like how you totally ignored my CIA worldfactbook quote. You're hardly an educated man, go read up some of China's history for yourself before you ramble on about a bunch of ignorant nonsense.

that is why there is minimal in chinese history. now that current damn project is something. personally i am very impressed with chinese civilization and it is an insult to me to measure them by western standards.

Learn how to write complete sentences first (grammer {and spelling} police are not authorized nor held in high regard here, Lefty) and btw there's a lot written about China's history out there. I suppose, someone like you probably wouldn't really be interested in actual FACTS though.

as an engineer, i dont think a great engineering tradition is necessary to be a great civilization. china is a great civilization. some day i would like the us to that we have stood as long as china. after all, aren't the japanese and korean languages' dialects of a chinese language just as my english is of german?

Actually Korean has more in common with some Turkic languages.

by general western standards, the probably wont "succeed", but it would be a crime if they would for it would do more damage to china than your current government (in my opinion)

You're such a really cool guy, really go read some books and stop trolling forums.
 
Originally posted by Michael York
the chinese have never put much in to engineering or science. that is why there is minimal in chinese history.
Hadn't you read my prev posts? China had done significant engineering projects prior to modern times as well.

after all, aren't the japanese and korean languages' dialects of a chinese language just as my english is of german?
Tell that to any Japanese or Korean, and you're committing the gravest breach of etiquette and shld expect a punch in the face, at the least.

Korean and Japanese belong to a different language branch altogether. These are of the Altaic family of languages, which incl Turkish, Mongolian, Finnish etc. These languages are polysyllabic whereas Chinese is monosyllabic. Chinese is of the Sinic family I think.

Go read up more before making misleading blanket statements such as these. :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by Knight-Dragon
Go read up more before making misleading blanket statements such as these. :rolleyes:

I haven't been paying attention to this guy's posts. After his first few, I just ignored him. Looks like I should read what he's saying. Wow. His sheer ignorance is amazing.

On behalf of all intelligent Americans everywhere, I apologize. THIS is the kind of person that gives us a bad name. Sheesh.

Please refrain from inserting such off topic posts into threads, IN PARTICULAR, posts mainly for the purpose of critisizing a poster, Lefty
 
Originally posted by Switch625
I haven't been paying attention to this guy's posts. After his first few, I just ignored him. Looks like I should read what he's saying. Wow. His sheer ignorance is amazing.

On behalf of all intelligent Americans everywhere, I apologize. THIS is the kind of person that gives us a bad name. Sheesh.
No need for apologies. :) I, for one, don't based my perception of an entire people based on the postings of a few individuals.

I don't mind ignorance but I can't stand wilful ignorance. :)

Please refrain from inserting such off topic posts into threads, IN PARTICULAR, posts mainly for the purpose of critisizing a poster. If you must have a conversation dealing with a poster's defect use PM, e-mail, or instant messaging, not the forum. Lefty
 
If Switch is refering to me, i apologize. I do not tend to offend, but I have noticed in my clacs, diffeqs, fluid mechanics, statics, dynamics, material mechanics, thermodynamics, physics, and chemistries, they are almost entirely euro-mideast-american theorms and experiments. The chinese are very industrious and have made so amazing structures such as the great wall and (one of my favorite buildings) the Temple of Heaven. But they lack the great achievements on the scale of the Kaula-Lumpuer towers, The John Hanncock tower, the colosium of rome, the eiffel tower, the worlds first "modern" skyscraper located here in cincinnati, the dome of florence, the concrete viaduct on the malaig line in scotland, the turtle, the cannon (which used chinese gunpowder), the english trebuchet, arabian telescopes (if i recall correctly), the portugese compass, the turbine, the jet engine, the rocket engine, the english steam engine, and the early russian space program (their key scientist died) . early suspention bridges are not engineering excelence. to build such a bridge requires little to no undstanding of moments, truss force distribution, reactions, stresses, torques, or natural frequencies.

why would china need such inventions? the europeans spend much of the time fighting and needed better weapons. the chinese were peaceful and had no need to find better ways to blow their neighbors apart.

china is not to be measured by western standards. by are standards, they fail; by their standards, we fail. in our own ways, we each do quite well. And yes, I am very well educated. 99th percentile on my standerized tests. I attend my first choice institution, with plenty of scholarships, and have done quite well in my course work. I plan to attend grad school soon. Your hypothesis of my education, particularly on this subject (eng. & sci), is incorrect.
 
It has been suggested that in order to control the huge mass of the Chinese you need a very conservative culture and a powerfull leader. This may also be the reason why communism actually succeded in China. Stability has been inherent to Chinese for thousends of years.

The Chinese did not fail in any way (culturally or technologically) if you look at their history as a whole, rather onto specific periods. In fact, if the current rate of economic growth (10-10% per year) will continue, China will be THE great power of the 21st century.
 
Please refrain from inserting such off topic posts into threads, IN PARTICULAR, posts mainly for the purpose of critisizing a poster. If you must have a conversation dealing with a poster's defect use PM, e-mail, or instant messaging, not the forum. Lefty
Sorry, just got a bit carried away. My apologies to all. :blush:
 
All I here about China becoming a Superpower is potential.
It has the potential to be the next superpower in the next 20 years.Well,maybe it hasn't. :p
The U.S. IS THE Superpower NOW :D and most likely for our lifetime and it can rise to any challenge.

I have visited China in the past and no doubt about one thing it has plenty of PEOPLE.However most of them are poorly educated and can barely feed themselves.

So they might have been the most powerful nation up till 300 years old (yeah yeah heard that before).Serious problems in the past have been :

-****ty leaders (still do)
-poor cleanliness (somebody clean something)
-conservative society (already mentioned elsewhere)
-poor military tech/training/weapons (which lead to conquests by mongols/manchus/all colonial powers)

Don't get me wrong , i like Chinese (at least their cooking) which i can say is one thing they didn't fail:cool:
 
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