Why does everyone hate CTP2??

[Arius Mephisto]

There are a number of bad things about CTP.... but I think it's really pathetic when people become such zealots for the standard Civ games that they don't recognise several of the ways that CTP actually improved on things.....

For God's Sake, Sid, GO TO THE FUTURE..... the "only goes to 2020" thing really gets annoying..... I mean.... it wouldn't take THAT MUCH more effort to add in what CTP called the "Genetic Age" and "Diamond Age".... they were implemented POORLY in the ToT version of Civ2.... and I hoped they would just take the extra pinch of effort to put them directly into Civ3......

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[pagh80]

I think that a lot of these people that criticise CTP1 and 2 have not taken the time to learn the game.
I was also dissapointed at start because of the new way to play. But i was patient (probaly because i had spent 350 danish crowns on the game). I sat down for 2 - 3 days and learned how to play it. As more i played as more i LOVED the game.

There is a whole lot of good stuff in the game. The micromanegement is history. You dont need to move all your settlers/workers around and irrigate make roads ect. Just take lets say 10% of your empires production, and use it to improvements.
Make strategic armies by combining 1 - 12 units. play in the FUTURE!! and there is a lot more.
But there is one thing that bother me. You cant play on earth... until you download a map. Why did they not make a earth map??

Im sorry to hear that there is a lot of people who think the CTP series is a flop i cant understand it.

Right now i play civ3 and try to be as possitive as possible... BUT there is just not the same thrill like when i play CTP2.
And ofcourse there is a lot of irritating bugs and strange combat calculation in the game.

By combining the the two games you will have a historical civ. game. Copy these thing: The strategic resources, the diplomaty, the culture and make some wonders like "the small wonders" in civ3 whitch require something before you can make them. Then combine them with CTP2, and make CTP3... now there is a real historical game.

... by the way.. anyone know if there will be made a CTP3???

I have only played offline. And i have not encountered any bugs(if there has been any i have not seen them).... and i have played it a lot. But i can see that there is a lot of complaints about bugs in the game. Is it because of new patches or is it something about internet play???

 

[tomdy2k]

it's simple the AI is pathetic..how can you lose?

bad interface too.

tom

 

[freestyler]

Originally posted by tomdy2k
it's simple the AI is pathetic..how can you lose?

WHAT!!??
How can you lose??

Wait-a-minute... Do you guys just buy the game and play it...end of story?

No downloading of any mods?

There are loads of Mods out there Especially to enhance the AI.

Evere heard of "Frenzy AI"-"diplomod"

Do you guys even play on any game mods such as "Apolyton pack" or "GoodMod"

What pathetic and absoult crap!!!!

I play with the Apolyton pack wich includes 'Dale's Diplomod', 'airunit', 'Destroy City' (lets you destroy a city once you take controll of it) along with many more...

Now Tom..If you claim that the AI is too easy, then i suggest to you that you download the "Frenzy AI"

At the moment Dale is currently working on an update of Diplomod (v.??) which lets you establish embassies through diplomacy. COOL

Most of the ppl in here should have heard of them but theres no way you can say that tha AI is EASY.

If you guys learn SLIC then...well its all down to yourselfs to create almost anything for CTP2.

 

[raindancer]

where do you get the downloads/add ons for CTP2?

 

[freestyler]

They are all over the place...
Apolyton mods-section has pure BUT the server is currently down


But if you dont want to wait ask around at
the Apolyton Forums

And the amazing DALE who has created lots of mods for CTP2,
can be found below:

Dale's Withdraw.slc (makes sure the AI withdraws their units when asked)

Dale's Capture City.slc (I like this one!)

Dale's Airunit Lander (fixes the bug where the AI doesn't land their aircraft...now they do)

Or you can simply visit hexagonia for the rest.

Cheers HEX & DALE

 

[ayruabeb]

Thanx to all concerned for the reasoned defenses of CTP 2.

But can ANYone tell me, pray, is there ANY word, or even rumor, about a Mac version of CTP 2? If so, pu-LEASE let me know.

 

[Martin Gühmann]

Originally posted by raindancer
where do you get the downloads/add ons for CTP2?

So here is my collection of CTP2 links:

Apolyton now down but we hope that Apolyton will available in the next days:
http://apolyton.net/ctp2

WesW' homepage where you find MedPack2 and ModSwapper, but I guess as it is hosted by Apolyton also down:
http://www.apolyton.net/wes/

Here are some maps but I can't really tell you anything about it:http://dominous.hypermart.net/maps/maps.html
http://home.t-online.de/home/heikowagner/page/ctpkart.htm

Hexagonain's page where you can Cradle and links to other fan created mods. There can be find ModSwapper, too, as an alternative link:
http://www.geocities.com/hexagonia/

Ben's page where you can find some stuff for modmakers, the One City Challenge and the Mars2020 scenario, but I noticed that this page wasn't available in the past few days. Maybe Ben you need a new homepage:
http://members.aol.com/wvrs4/ctp2/ctp2dl.htm

Here you can find the Seven Years War Scenario mad by Fritze:
http://dteetz.bei.t-online.de

Here is unit database for use in CTP1 and CTP2:
http://www.estetiksoft.de/ctpfiles/ctpunits.html

Here is Locutus' homepage there you can find some information about slic:
http://home.student.utwente.nl/w.snijders/

Here is the homepage of Martin the Dane, there you can the zfs-viever to get the graphics and sounds stored in *.zfs files. Tileedit can be find there, too. This utily allows you to modify, replace and add terrain, river and tile improvement graphics:
http://mbv.dk/uk/civ_ctp.html

And finally here is my homepage the home of CityMod2 and GoodMod and some other slic files:
http://guehmann.bei.t-online.de/englishd.htm

-Martin

 

[pagh80]

Thanks for all the great links. I have never played CTP2 with ANY mod but i still think it is a great game (after i sat down and really learnt the game and all the great stuff in it) I first got internet connection a half year ago, but i an sure i will try to download some of the mod and if they are as good as you guys say i cant wait to play the game again....

CTP2 has SOOO much potentional but because its not sid maier who made it a lot of people dismiss it.. thats just crap... Activision dont even plan to make another sequal.. snøft

 

[pagh80]

Thanks for all the great links. I have never played CTP2 with ANY mod but i still think it is a great game (after i sat down and really learnt the game and all the great stuff in it) I first got internet connection a half year ago, but i am sure i will try to download some of the mod and if they are as good as you guys say i cant wait to play the game again....

CTP2 has SOOO much potentional but because its not sid maier who made it a lot of people dismiss it.. thats just crap... Activision dont even plan to make another sequal.. snøft

 

[Richard III]

Yeah, I hated it because I was pumped as all hell, liked many of the CTP1 changes, bought it, spent 10 hours playing it and then realized something very strange: not a single city had changed hands in the game except for those I had taken. Not one. And then I thought about it and I realized, not a single city of mine had even been attacked for the duration of the game.

And you know what? That's so goddamn disappointing that I will be damned if I have to mod the game to improve it.

Civ3 has taken care of the gap nicely.

 

[ProPain]

Bought CTP few years ago expecting it to be CIV3. What a bummer. The interface drove me mad. My units were going everywhere except where I wanted them. Entering a city, took me ages to figure that one out. No automated skipping from one unit to the next when your done with the first one. It was RSI nightmare.

Then I bougt CTP2 because Civ3 release was postponed again and it was on sale for 25 dutch guilders (about 11/12 US$). I expected that they would have improved the interface since it couldnt be worse. Installed it, played it, same interface, trashed it. Maybe CTP has some improvements over the civ games but the interface makes it unbearable for me.

 

[Locutus]

ProPain,
Like Pagh80 said near the top of this page: take the time to LEARN the game before you trash it. I personally think CtP1 has by far the best user interface of all Civ games and there are only few other (non-Civ) games that can top it. It's very different from Civ2 but it's still very logical, intuitive and easy to use, once you've taken the time to get accustomed to it. Perhaps you should even consider actually reading the manual! You obviously didn't even give CtP2 a decent chance or you would have noticed that the interface is actually quite different from the one in CtP1 (which is mostly a step back, although it does have it's advantages as well).

And the biggest mistake of all: don't expect CtP to be Civ3, it's a different game! (Then again, the same can be said for Civ3 itself )

 

[ProPain]

Originally posted by Locutus
ProPain,
Like Pagh80 said near the top of this page: take the time to LEARN the game before you trash it.

I didn't trash the game, just the interface. But I think gameplay in CtP wasn't that good either and I played that a lot since it had multiplayer options.

I personally think CtP1 has by far the best user interface of all Civ games and there are only few other (non-Civ) games that can top it. It's very different from Civ2 but it's still very logical, intuitive and easy to use, once you've taken the time to get accustomed to it.

It's very logical, intuitive and easy to use ONCE you've taken the time to get accustomed to it. Now that's a contradiction in my book. The Hungarian language is probably very logical, intuitive and easy to use once you've learned it for a few years.

Perhaps you should even consider actually reading the manual! You obviously didn't even give CtP2 a decent chance or you would have noticed that the interface is actually quite different from the one in CtP1 (which is mostly a step back, although it does have it's advantages as well).

And the biggest mistake of all: don't expect CtP to be Civ3, it's a different game! (Then again, the same can be said for Civ3 itself )

I think I did give it a chance o/w I wouldn't have bought it. I didn't expect it to be Civ3, I learned that from CtP1. I bought it because I was looking for a new turnbased strat game since I was getting bored with civ2.

So if other people like it that's fine with me but the title of the thread was 'Why does everyone hate CtP2??' and this is why I'm disappointed in the game.

 

[Locutus]

Originally posted by ProPain

I didn't trash the game, just the interface. But I think gameplay in CtP wasn't that good either and I played that a lot since it had multiplayer options.

Point taken. But as far as gameplay (and AI) are concerned, try downloading some mods (I recommend Cradle and/or MedMod), you'll be pleasantly surprised (and to call that an understatement would quite probably be an understatement itself )

It's very logical, intuitive and easy to use ONCE you've taken the time to get accustomed to it. Now that's a contradiction in my book. The Hungarian language is probably very logical, intuitive and easy to use once you've learned it for a few years.

Well, it's not a contradiction in my book. Since you're Dutch, you're probably not familiar with American Football. If you would look at a game of American Football for the first time, it would probably look like utter chaos to you, you won't be able to make any sense of it. However, if you continue to watch for a bit longer, maybe a game or two (in CtP terms, play for a while), and listen carefully to the commentary (read the manual), you'll soon realize it's really one of the simplest sports in the world to understand with very logical rules (while still having way more strategical depth than regular football, btw). I don't know about Hungarian, but - contrary to what one might expect when one first looks at it - Am. Football doesn't take long to learn to understand/enjoy at all. So it really depends on how complex the subject we're talking about is, and CtP's interface really isn't all that complex...

I think I did give it a chance o/w I wouldn't have bought it. I didn't expect it to be Civ3, I learned that from CtP1. I bought it because I was looking for a new turnbased strat game since I was getting bored with civ2.

So if other people like it that's fine with me but the title of the thread was 'Why does everyone hate CtP2??' and this is why I'm disappointed in the game.

Well, I'm sure you invested some time in it, but if you say the interface is the same as in CtP1, you haven't played it an awful lot...

Of course, if you really don't like the game I fully respect that, but all too many people don't like it because they want instant satisfaction. Although really good games should indeed offer this, the CtP series requires you to invest some more time - but the satifsaction is IMHO all the greater in the long run (I was tired of Civ2 after 2-3 years or so, I've been playing/modding CtP since day 1 and am still thoroughly enjoying it). I'd hate to see anyone waste 50 Euro or so, so I'm just trying to convince you to not put it aside too quickly (if you have indeed done so)...

 

[SunTzu]

I like CTP, i have CTP1 and its cool, but my computer sucks and its slow playing CTP so i don't play it
I'm getting a new PC when i go off to college sooooo

 

[Locutus]

What kind of PC do you have? I have a P200 and it runs very smoothly, I've run it on a P133 (which is the minimum requirement IIRC) without too much problems too... Or are you very low on memory? AFAIK that's the only thing that might slow CtP down...

 

[Moff Jerjerrod]

I'm just another voice who says CtP1 and 2 are enjoyable games. They just need to be given a chance. I love the MP aspects of both games and have fun playing against other humans.

 

[Barenziahlover]

To add that Avalon Hill didnot own the right to the Civilization trademark than Englandish company own that Trade Mark
than guess who bought that company Micropose. Then the biggest legal battle in computering history start. The poor judge was unable to reach any deciveion as both claim where so cloudly. Then Sid
step into the mess and have his lawyer tell the judge that his company want the trademark for civilization. The judge said you want Sid you can have it.
This reminder me of than Estate case in
New York that went on for year between two powerfull jewist famility. The poor judge that so trie of the contant fighting over very little thing. Than black 12 year old kid one day walk into the court roon than handle the branfit than piece of paper than the branfit read the paper an handl it to the judge who read the paper
an told the branfit to get the kid than lawyer for 15 minutes from than other
court room. The paper was than will writen by son which die in than car cask with his mother and father he want to leave his sign baseball bat to the black kid . These is than old law in New York State that say you donot need to have than Lawyer to have than will or than formal legal will if certain contion are met. When the other lawyer enter the case for 15 minutes the judge decide that the black kid have the legal right to bat than gave it to him. If sent than message to the other two familty that his case better be settle soon. The entire NY state court sytem was trie of this case. The two other lawyer trie than emergry appeal than their appeal
was deny.

 

[Herandar Lucian]

I find it remarkable that more than a year after I originally posted this topic, people are still arguing over it. Having purchased Civ 3 since, I must say I like the diplomacy/resources idea a lot, but CTP2 is not a bad game.