Moff Jerjerrod
Deity
Agreed............I think I still prefer PW to pushing workers around. Both games (Civ3 & the CtP series) are equally enjoyable in my book.
Why does everyone hate CTP2??
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Agreed............I think I still prefer PW to pushing workers around. Both games (Civ3 & the CtP series) are equally enjoyable in my book.
Soviet beast
Space Tractor
I like how in CTP2 you can auto target your nukes.
t0mme
Great Red One
CTP (1&2) is just a classic case of great ideas ruined by a user-unfriendly interface. CTP2 and even CTP1 has many more options than Civ3 and the diplomacy is topnotch in CTP2 (imagine a combo of Alpha Centauri and CTP2 diplomacy 
), but that damn interface. I tried it over and over again, but it is simply BAD!
Firaxis should take all those great ideas into Civ4, because compared to CTP, Civ3 looks a bit simple
), but that damn interface. I tried it over and over again, but it is simply BAD!Firaxis should take all those great ideas into Civ4, because compared to CTP, Civ3 looks a bit simple
Dont quite agree. I dont think the game was/is user unfriendly, but it take some time to get used to the new kind of control and most people dont want to spend the time to learn it. Actually i found it much smarter than any civ game. EX: The fact that you can make multiple build queues for many cities with only one click is very good. Also like that you can save the queues.Originally posted by t0mme
CTP (1&2) is just a classic case of great ideas ruined by a user-unfriendly interface. CTP2 and even CTP1 has many more options than Civ3 and the diplomacy is topnotch in CTP2 (imagine a combo of Alpha Centauri and CTP2 diplomacy
Firaxis should take all those great ideas into Civ4, because compared to CTP, Civ3 looks a bit simple
I can manage over 100 cities without spending alot of time, cause of the fact that you can make a certain build queue and then select the cities that want to use that queue. In civ 3 you have to select every city one after another, even if the same build queue should be used in every city.
The interface take some time to learn, but it is actually quite brilliant, and very easy to have an overview even if you have more than 100 cities
BTW: orion 3 also has some briliant ideas that could be used in(hopefully) Civ 4.
TopLaw
Chieftain
I think CTP1&2 have some really good ideas that should definetly be added into the next Civ4 games. I personally liked CTP1 better then CivIII, except I wouldn't play it now cuz the graphics are ugly.
Think about it, when you play CTP1, you *have the options* of waging terrorist attacks, biological attacks, establishing corparet franchises, bombardment from orbit, building space/Sea colonies, hacking, and ENSLAVING(lol! I love that one) city's and defeated warriors!
And then I play CivIII and I can't do ANY of that..... and now I see people argue CTP1&2 sucks?!!! It horrible angers everytime I get to the modern age in CivIII and I can't progress to the more exciting frontiers of space/technocratic governments/cybernetic and genetic research. Personally in CTP I hate progressing from the stone age to modern age, I admit that, but once your in the space age, you have access to a lot of very cleaver and cool features. I had lots of awsome games when I was battling for space (espacialy lanching attacks from space to ground was amazing), I just wish more of you anti-CTP pple would of experience what I have.
Anyway, lol, now CivIII is defiently a good game, but the CTP series is a lot more releasitic (excluding Diplomacy / bugs) and I'll always have more respect to CTP then CIVIII. And if Civ4 doesn't have the "Space Elevator" wonder and the earths-orbit field, I will continue to stand strong and argue CTP is better then the CIV series!!
lol, enjoy pple
Think about it, when you play CTP1, you *have the options* of waging terrorist attacks, biological attacks, establishing corparet franchises, bombardment from orbit, building space/Sea colonies, hacking, and ENSLAVING(lol! I love that one) city's and defeated warriors!
And then I play CivIII and I can't do ANY of that..... and now I see people argue CTP1&2 sucks?!!! It horrible angers everytime I get to the modern age in CivIII and I can't progress to the more exciting frontiers of space/technocratic governments/cybernetic and genetic research. Personally in CTP I hate progressing from the stone age to modern age, I admit that, but once your in the space age, you have access to a lot of very cleaver and cool features. I had lots of awsome games when I was battling for space (espacialy lanching attacks from space to ground was amazing), I just wish more of you anti-CTP pple would of experience what I have.
Anyway, lol, now CivIII is defiently a good game, but the CTP series is a lot more releasitic (excluding Diplomacy / bugs) and I'll always have more respect to CTP then CIVIII. And if Civ4 doesn't have the "Space Elevator" wonder and the earths-orbit field, I will continue to stand strong and argue CTP is better then the CIV series!!
lol, enjoy pple
gen.dragolen
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Bart2k4,
You said it. I've gotten so tired of the BS in CivIII that I actually reinstalled CTP2, which I had stopped playing because the games would last for ever.
While I love the level of detail in the CTP2 game, I keep thinking that the idea game would be a proper blending of the two. Take the basic game design from CTP2 and incorporate the best of the interfaces and unit design from CivIII and SMAC.
I hope that CivIV designers will take a long hard look at what made CTP and CTP2 so popular. And if the CTP game engine could handle things like trade routes, why couldn't Civ IV have trade routes and supply lines ? It's not like we have a lack of CPU resources for running the game.
Otherwise, Civ IV will likely be just another pretty version of RISK.
D.
You said it. I've gotten so tired of the BS in CivIII that I actually reinstalled CTP2, which I had stopped playing because the games would last for ever.
While I love the level of detail in the CTP2 game, I keep thinking that the idea game would be a proper blending of the two. Take the basic game design from CTP2 and incorporate the best of the interfaces and unit design from CivIII and SMAC.
I hope that CivIV designers will take a long hard look at what made CTP and CTP2 so popular. And if the CTP game engine could handle things like trade routes, why couldn't Civ IV have trade routes and supply lines ? It's not like we have a lack of CPU resources for running the game.
Otherwise, Civ IV will likely be just another pretty version of RISK.
D.
Maquiladora
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Theres plenty of copies on ebay and amazon and other online stores.
BUT...
For some totaly wierd sake it always quits around Industrial times +/ 200 years, on one of our PC:s its good enought for new games as FarCry but for some reason It goes down then we playing CtPII and Alpha Centurion.. !?!?
WHY ????
sob...
For some totaly wierd sake it always quits around Industrial times +/ 200 years, on one of our PC:s its good enought for new games as FarCry but for some reason It goes down then we playing CtPII and Alpha Centurion.. !?!?
WHY ????
sob...
Maquiladora
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Hi ElfQueen, good to see there are other CtP2 multiplayers There can be various reasons for a late game crash, the most common are listed in this thread at Apolyton
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?postid=2520444#post2520444
If you are interested in a multiplayer game you can also post in the CtP2 section at Apolyton.
There can be various reasons for a late game crash, the most common are listed in this thread at Apolytonhttp://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?postid=2520444#post2520444
If you are interested in a multiplayer game you can also post in the CtP2 section at Apolyton.
Maquiladora
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You know better than that Peter 
unless im confusing you with another "PeteT" 
edit: ah i see im not confusing you with someone else
yes very unlikely!
unless im confusing you with another "PeteT" edit: ah i see im not confusing you with someone else
yes very unlikely!Well, if you're interested in playing against other people do as Maq said. (But watch out for Toni! He's pretty good I believe .)
Last October Activision released the source code for CTP2 and some of us are working on it. Unfortunately the multiplayer side of it will probably take a very long time.
.)Last October Activision released the source code for CTP2 and some of us are working on it. Unfortunately the multiplayer side of it will probably take a very long time.
Ovulator
Regent
There are 2 reasons I don't like it. I bought it expecting it to be Civ 3 and it wasn't, so I was let down.
Also I don't like the fantasy section of it. I like the historically bound Civ 2 & 3. Ecotopia? Not for me, leave that to the add ons, not the game itself.
Also I don't like the fantasy section of it. I like the historically bound Civ 2 & 3. Ecotopia? Not for me, leave that to the add ons, not the game itself.
hexagonian
of the realm of Hexagonia
My question is why would you drop good money on a game that you expected to be exactly like civ3. If you want a game to play exactly like civ3, play civ3...Ovulator said:
It's a different game that approaches empire management concepts in a different way. Play it on that level with an open mnd instead of complaining ''That's not the way it's done in civ3''
Stargate2_earth
Chieftain
i`m in a hurry so i cant read all of the pages but one thing i liked about ctp was space and underwater
Oh, wow! There're some very interesting thoughts here!
I think by far my favorite is CivII but last time I tried to play it I just couldn't handle the graphics. My next favorite is CTP, and there are a few reasons for this: I enjoy not having to order workmen all over the place to get something done--saves me a lot of time and trouble--when I remember to turn on Public Works. I get a kick out of the graphics, and I enjoy the whole trade-route thing. Then of course there are the war walkers. I rarely ever went to war with anyone until I could build those then I'd just stomp all over everyone. I don't care much for the space thing so usually stop playing before that gets too involved. I do, however, like the sea colonies. Those are a hoot.
I also enjoy AlphaCentauri/AlienCrossfire, but I get really tired of all the pink (yuck!). I was just playing a game today that was getting real dull in a hurry, though. I hadn't played a lot with Crossfire so decided to mix up a few of the factions and see what happens. The end result was that I've played for eons now without so much as one attack on a city. Like I said, getting a little dull there--need some irritated factions to shake things up a bit.
As much as I wanted to really, really like CivIII I think it just stinks. When I start a new game it takes me at least one day because I keep having to re-start and re-start in order to get a luxury bonus or two. I've gone through the whole horse-age period without so much as one horse near one of my cities. It aggravates the snot out of me when I get to the later ages and have to take over enemy cities with inferior troops just so I can get rubber in order to build things. The rate of corruption (yes, this is even with the patch) is so horrific it's practically impossible to play a good game of it. Oh, and I forgot to mention about how difficult it is to actually make good scientific progress! I played the Americans until 20 years from the finish and I wasn't anywhere near 'done' with that game. I picked up the Conquests expansion thinking it would give the game a little more but outside of the new races I don't think it offers a lot to the game.
I think by far my favorite is CivII but last time I tried to play it I just couldn't handle the graphics. My next favorite is CTP, and there are a few reasons for this: I enjoy not having to order workmen all over the place to get something done--saves me a lot of time and trouble--when I remember to turn on Public Works.
I get a kick out of the graphics, and I enjoy the whole trade-route thing. Then of course there are the war walkers. I rarely ever went to war with anyone until I could build those then I'd just stomp all over everyone. I don't care much for the space thing so usually stop playing before that gets too involved. I do, however, like the sea colonies. Those are a hoot.I also enjoy AlphaCentauri/AlienCrossfire, but I get really tired of all the pink (yuck!). I was just playing a game today that was getting real dull in a hurry, though. I hadn't played a lot with Crossfire so decided to mix up a few of the factions and see what happens. The end result was that I've played for eons now without so much as one attack on a city. Like I said, getting a little dull there--need some irritated factions to shake things up a bit.
As much as I wanted to really, really like CivIII I think it just stinks. When I start a new game it takes me at least one day because I keep having to re-start and re-start in order to get a luxury bonus or two. I've gone through the whole horse-age period without so much as one horse near one of my cities. It aggravates the snot out of me when I get to the later ages and have to take over enemy cities with inferior troops just so I can get rubber in order to build things. The rate of corruption (yes, this is even with the patch) is so horrific it's practically impossible to play a good game of it. Oh, and I forgot to mention about how difficult it is to actually make good scientific progress! I played the Americans until 20 years from the finish and I wasn't anywhere near 'done' with that game. I picked up the Conquests expansion thinking it would give the game a little more but outside of the new races I don't think it offers a lot to the game.
