Why is capitalism 'freer' than socialism?

Socialism is not a efficient as capitalism. Capitalism is more or less every man for himself. Capitalism will try to lose the dead weight while socialism tends to help the unfortunate (often includes the lazy and deadbeats).In both systems you can make a fortune on other misfortunes.
As far as which is freer, it is not the system that matters but the people that run them that determines how free they are.
 
Public as in ALL the public. Not just a select few of the wealthiest members of the public, that is just economic aristocracy.

Most companies offer discount stock purchase even into tax-defered IRA/401s. That's not exactly ownership by the elite. See again: soles and limiteds.

When someone has had a job with, like, benefits and shares and stuff... then they can cry about stocks.
 
Most companies offer discount stock purchase even into tax-defered IRA/401s. That's not exactly ownership by the elite. See again: soles and limiteds.

When someone has had a job with, like, benefits and shares and stuff... then they can cry about stocks.
Doesn't change the fact that the "owners" of the corporation have no say over what it does. And it doesn't change the fact that people outside of the U.S. are exploited by these corporations.
 
the "owners" of the corporation have no say over what it does
There's a board of directors. Vote with your stock ownership. Noone is forcing them, or forcing you to force them, to do anything. You don't even have to be associated with them, let them rot. Spare me the oppression.

Even people who do not "own" the corp have a say (the market). And you want to play powerless owner? Pfft. Could one try any harder to be a victim?


Ohh! I'm such a victim!! I'm the OWNER, EMPLOYEE and the CLIENT and I'm a victim!!! Ohh!!!
 
You must have capitalism confused with socialism, communism, mercantilism, anarchism, monarchism and any host of other isms that have little to do with capitalism.

Nope, I'm thinking of capitalism. I study history, or have you forgotten?

The tract record of capitalism is humanity reaching the greatest hieghts any our civilization has ever known in every category. Are you discussing this on the interet right now? +1 Capitalism.

Do you work less than 60 hours a week, and with enough pay to support yourself and a family? Were you educated at a public school? Did the steak you had for dinner tonight get inspected for quality and pathogen safety? + 4 Socialists.

:lol:

The shell socialism you attribute to that to is nothing more than a leach on the capitalism that provides the means for it to happen. There is nothing involved in modern living that is not built on the resources provided by capitalism.

No, the forces he mentioned are a direct result of workers expressing their desire for a better life, and standing up to the powers of big business and the moneyed. And that, more than anything, is what socialism is.

There is nothing authoritarian in a capitalist society.

The very nature of the capitalist system of private ownership of businesses is directly analogous to despotism in the political sphere. Just as we fought for the right for every citizen of a country to have an equal say in the running of the country they live in, so should every employee have an equal say in the running of the company they dedicate themselves to. Its democracy versus despotism. Why do you stand on the side of the corporate tyrants? You are not of them, it is not in your interest to do so.

And, of course, capitalism absolutely requires a strong central government capable of protecting the rich and their private property "rights," which is where all their power derives from. This is why corporate and government big wigs cooperate. If you removed the government from the capitalist equation, it would almost immediately collapse under the pressure from below. Such is not the case with socialism, because socialism answers the needs of the vast majority of people, and prejudices no one but the idle.

At least in a sense of human onto human. You are free to live your own life, as you choose, work for the wage that you want, start your own business, charge whatever you want for your goods, pay your employees whatever you want (should they accept it)

None of those inhibitions exist in socialism, either. They have only existed in planned economies, which have come about as a direct result of the inappropriate and incomplete application of socialism to undeveloped or underdeveloped societies. Fortunately for us, however, the US is one of the few nations on the planet which has reached a stage where capitalism can really be said to have run its course, and which is economically ripe for true socialism.

The only limiting factors within a capitalist society are due to the nature of markets.

And the fact that the poor have zero say in the economic sphere, which is arguably more important to their daily lives than the political sphere is, Maslow's Heirarchy and all that.

But there is no overarching limiting factor when compared to socialism.

Don't confuse capitalism with the free market, now.
 
If someone is the owner, employee, client and victim of a corp, they probably should just quit. Just stop it; that's the only advice for them.
 
Could one try any harder to be a victim?
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There really isn't an alternative to capitalism. Capitalism is the Natural State. Even in the most socialist or communist environment, capitalism will still exist.

Capitalism was not 'created' as an economic system. Coining the term capitalism comes about as an observation of human behavior.

Corporations & Communist nations engage in "Collective Capitalism"
A privately owned business owner engages in "Individualistic Capitalism"

Capitalism however is a natural consequence of human trade and interaction. How we judge a capitalist entity. (we are all capitalist entities) is dependent upon how we invest our profits.

But to decry Capitalism itself is an absolute folly.
Socialism is best handled by the Congress and the Public by regulating commerce, trade, etc.

Examples of Socialism:
Interstate Highway
FCC Regulations
Environmental Regulations
etc etc

In order to perform these functions, the government must "capitalize" on its resources & authority. However, its means of doing so are still limited. You can't employ 100% of the population to be paid employees of the Interstate Highway system. Therefore, you end up winners and losers.

A human life comes with a maintenance cost, and every employer, government employer not excluded, must rangle the resources to maintain the workers life-style.

Far from being an argument for militant communism, hidden within the very works of Marx is embedded an even stronger case for why capitalism is "The Mother System"

Capitalism vs Socialism is a false choice. There is only Capitalism.
 
Obama owes that guy a trip to Disney. And he still owes that old woman a kitchen too.

He better start payin-up or he's gonna be the "dead beat" pres. No bills paid... no kitchens and no Disney... no change... no hope...
 
All the supposed "socialist" countries these days are really just using capitalism with a higher income tax to nominally redistribute wealth in the form of social services. The proletariat don't really control the means of production.
 
All the supposed "socialist" countries these days are really just using capitalism with a higher income tax to nominally redistribute wealth in the form of social services. The proletariat don't really control the means of production.

Those countries are social capitalists. They fool their population into thinking they have socialism, its not even socialism lite.
 
All the supposed "socialist" countries these days are really just using capitalism with a higher income tax to nominally redistribute wealth in the form of social services. The proletariat don't really control the means of production.

They make no claim to socialism, and the only ones who call it that are conservative fools trying to scaremonger. Welfare capitalism is an attempt to save capitalism, but all it will do is buy it time.
 
They make no claim to socialism, and the only ones who call it that are conservative fools trying to scaremonger. Welfare capitalism is an attempt to save capitalism, but all it will do is buy it time.

This makes no sense.
 
Socialism is not a efficient as capitalism. Capitalism is more or less every man for himself.

Let's also not forget that Captialism also fosters the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
 
Let's also not forget that Captialism also fosters the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

or...

The Middle Class gets bigger.
 
The Middle Class has been contracting. Social mobility has reduced across the board. Unemployment has increased. Particular groups are hit worse than others women, blacks and latino's in particular.
 
The Middle Class has been contracting. Social mobility has reduced across the board. Unemployment has increased. Particular groups are hit worse than others women, blacks and latino's in particular.

That's only true recently with the switch to a less sustainable model of capitalism that hides beneath the label of "free markets". Capitalism does not inherently cause, nor does it require, growing poverty. In fact if done right it can create vast amounts of wealth that improves everone's living standards. It's only when greed dominates government policy that that capitalism cannot help the poor.
 
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