Ecofarm
Deity
The government can go tell someone else what to do with their money, they ain't (supposed to) be my boss. Let's vote to de-fund the government and see how they like it.
Why is capitalism 'freer' than socialism?
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warpus
Sommerswerd asked me to change this
Your boss tells you what to do with your money?
Ecofarm
Deity
Yes. Spend some of it being punctual and appropriate or get fired.
The government cannot fire me (JR might object), so they can kiss my ass.
So there is freedom in kissing your boss' posterior?
Cheezy the Wiz
Socialist In A Hurry
Capitalism is "freer" than socialism in the sense that being able to walk into your neighbor's house and kill him is "freer" than living in a society which restricts your ability to do that. In all other senses it is the very antithesis of freedom.
Ecofarm
Deity
Socialism /= human rights. Get a grip.
Cheezy the Wiz
Socialist In A Hurry
Being ignorant of what concepts are, yet trying to argue against them anyway? There's a word for that.
Spoiler :
Well we've seen the wonderful human rights record of the capitalist world. Millions dead; hundreds of millions, whole generations ruthlessly oppressed and systematically exploited; all to line the pockets of a privileged few. Glorious, why would anyone want less?
In a socialist society, the state distributes everything. Then again this is a pure socialist society, I forgot to mention that in my original post.
And this is why I forgot pure, because if I mentioned a pure capitalist society, people would mention monopolies.
So in the end neither (in their pure form) is very free. The freest society (with a government, so no anarchy
) is the one that can successfully mix capitalism a socialism.
Merkinball
Deity
Socialism requires authoritarianism.
Cheezy the Wiz
Socialist In A Hurry
Of course it does. But not as much as capitalism does.
Jabarto
Emperor
It's mainly a byproduct of the Cold War era. Years of propaganda have convinced the average person that socialism is bad, even though that person would have a lot to gain by it.
Socilaist reforms in the 20th century are directly responsible for the quality of life we enjoy today.
Socilaist reforms in the 20th century are directly responsible for the quality of life we enjoy today.
Patroklos
Deity
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You must have capitalism confused with socialism, communism, mercantilism, anarchism, monarchism and any host of other isms that have little to do with capitalism.
The tract record of capitalism is humanity reaching the greatest hieghts any our civilization has ever known in every category. Are you discussing this on the interet right now? +1 Capitalism.
Try again.
sophie
Break My Heart
Capitalism is supposed to be freer than socialism because you decide where to allocate your capital. The idea of choice usually comes part and parcel with the idea of freedom. Socialism, on the other hand, traditionally mandates you to a specific option (usually government owned), so in that sense, Capitalism is freer than socialism. However, as has been said by many other posters, neither in its purest form is at all very free, but a combination of the two can create a great amount of freedom for the everyday citizen.
Merkinball
Deity
There is nothing authoritarian in a capitalist society. At least in a sense of human onto human. You are free to live your own life, as you choose, work for the wage that you want, start your own business, charge whatever you want for your goods, pay your employees whatever you want (should they accept it.) The only limiting factors within a capitalist society are due to the nature of markets. But there is no overarching limiting factor when compared to socialism.
Yared
That Guy
People like to think that Capitalism opens up more options for the average dude(tte). It's just easier to set up a business and sell your service/product.
People also like to think that more options = more freedom of choice, which in turns means more freedom overall.
No?
People also like to think that more options = more freedom of choice, which in turns means more freedom overall.
No?
Fr8monkey
Deity
You pay taxes, and the rich pay more taxes then the poor
And of course the defining point, they all get the same quality.
Since when? I pay a lot more percentage wise working my ass off than the lazy rich sitting around the pool all day waiting for the dividend check. Plus if you think the rich get the same "quality" of anything that I do, you are delusional...
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