Why Is Youth So Left-Wing?

[downtown]

I kinda hope somebody sets fire to sharp's house. We'll see if he's thankful that somebody else's money was used to fund a firefighting force to help him. or maybe not...thats his problem. he'd just be #### out of luck

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[dgfred]

I try to keep an open mind, and after listening to both sides of the argument, To keep it short:

The older of society is conservative because they have reached the point of financial security, and don't want to see their hard earned money go to others.

Youth do not have a lot of money starting out, hence, they wish for the means to get to financial security. That generally means left wing policies. Basically, what they want is simply a chance.

In essence, youth want a chance, something to build off of, the rest of society wants to keep what they have already built off of. Neither side is naieve or cynical. It is basically a situation of those who have what they want and dont want to lose money to those who don't have, and those who want to get there without being exploited by those who have.

I am sure this is going to draw a lot of fire from both sides. That's what you get when you try to take the middle ground... *runs for cover*

This post states things pretty well .

 

[nonconformist]

I kinda hope somebody sets fire to sharp's house. We'll see if he's thankful that somebody else's money was used to fund a firefighting force to help him. or maybe not...thats his problem. he'd just be #### out of luck

I think itt's kinda ironic that he vents his view on this site when it is funded by other people.

 

[thestonesfan]

I think itt's kinda ironic that he vents his view on this site when it is funded by other people.

Why is that ironic?

All of us are welfare cases because he post at CFC?

 

[nonconformist]

No, but we are technically distracting ourselves using othe peoples money.

 

[downtown]

exactly. the administators of the site let us use it for free....looking after other internests other then their own, (and, by allowing this to be free and thus generate huge traffic, I bet he might be able to score some small cash thru an advertising deal if he so wanted)

This is how lots of goverment programs work.While in the begining, you have to look out for somebody else's interests which may not exactly be your own, several of them pay off in the long run, (such as an educated workforce, which could generate more money to the populace...even somebody like *gasp* sharpe).

 

[thestonesfan]

No, but we are technically distracting ourselves using othe peoples money.

We aren't forcing anyone to pay for this.

 

[nonconformist]

Bandwidth costs money, and so the people who own this site leyt us use it to their personal loss, though they may bridge the gap due to advertising. In any case, we are all, in a way, using others' money.

 

[thestonesfan]

exactly. the administators of the site let us use it for free....looking after other internests other then their own, (and, by allowing this to be free and thus generate huge traffic, I bet he might be able to score some small cash thru an advertising deal if he so wanted)

This is how lots of goverment programs work.While in the begining, you have to look out for somebody else's interests which may not exactly be your own, several of them pay off in the long run, (such as an educated workforce, which could generate more money to the populace...even somebody like *gasp* sharpe).

You are forgetting one substantial thing...Thunderfall can quit paying for this site if he feels like it.

 

[nonconformist]

Yes, but he doesn't, as he puts the needs (or wishes) of the CFC populace before his.

 

[Evertonian]

(As a side note, it is frighteningly arrogant to understand that God came to Earth and explained what He wanted of you, then died for you, and reject Him, which most Leftists do. But I suppose that is another thread.)

Most people in the world are not Christians. And being a Christian and being a conservative are not the same thing. Somebody like Al Sharpton is a Christian yet reaches different conclusions than you about politics. If you dispute that he counts as a Christian, it means the number of Christians that exists is far smaller than the numbers quoted.

For myself, I don't believe there is a God, so I don't believe he came to earth. Someone else might say, God came to earth, but it wasn't as Jesus, and the things he said to do were different than Jesus said, or maybe he didn't tell people what to do at all.

Even if you want to consider Leftism a credible, respectable strain of Western thought (which I don't, but shall for the sake of propriety), it can't compare to thought that rests on Artistotle, Ecclesiastes, Christ, Aquinas, Smith, and the like. The Left's pedigree not only lacks the age and experience of these giants' wisdom, it also throws out their brilliance.

Rightist ideologies have no monopoly on Aristotle, Christ,even Aquinas.
'Leftism' is not a single strain of thought. If we take Aristotle for example, he taught in his ethics works, that man could strive to become better through the habitual practice of good acts. To my mind this idea has been developed by some leftist ideologies which have challenged notions such as the natural superiority of the high born etc. This is just one example. But both right and left wing thinkers of today build on the philosophies of the past. No one strand of political thought has a monopoly of intelligent people. Although I'm left wing, I recognise there are both stupid and intelligent people on both sides.

Funny you say that; you're more of a serf now. You pay much more in taxes now that any Medieval person ever did, and you don't even get good architecture to show for it.

I pay taxes, and I don't regard paying taxes as serfdom. In serfdom 100% of the product of my labour goes to the fuedal lord who uses it for his private interest. And I have no say in how its used.

When I pay taxes (which amount to less than 100% of the product of my labour) they go towards maintaining services in a society that I have a say (through my vote) how its run.

 

[thestonesfan]

Yes, but he doesn't, as he puts the needs (or wishes) of the CFC populace before his.

How do you know what Thunderfall's wishes are?

I know I'm going out on a limb here...but maybe he maintains this site because he LIKES to. He doesn't have to get rich off of it to get something out of it!

 

[nonconformist]

I said that he is happy to pay for the site, becausre the rest of CFFC land want him to.

 

[thestonesfan]

But if he wanted to quit, he would. That's my point. Maintaining this site is not his duty, it's his hobby.

Would you expect him to pay for this site even if he didn't want to?

 

[Archer 007]

I thought Jesus was more left than right.

Your right, he was.

 

[thestonesfan]

Could we let the jesus crap die? It's like fighting over whether or not Gandalf was a vegetarian.

 

[Mise]

Or like fighting over whether CFC is an apt parallel with the government, or whatever it was you were talking about....

 

[thestonesfan]

Or like fighting over whether CFC is an apt parallel with the government, or whatever it was you were talking about....

Slightly more approriate than argueing about the political leanings of a person, probably fictitious, who who lived 2000 years ago.

 

[Mise]

Huh? Jesus was quite an influential bloke ya know.

 

[thestonesfan]

Alright. It's relevent. I will not hinder future discussions of whether or not Jesus would tax corporations at a 12% or 18% rate.