Why no dip of the flag ?

[Patroklos]

I wonder if he would be comfortable with people using medical sources from 1913 in abortion debates? Sociologist sources from 1913 in civil rights debates?

I mean its not like anything changed in the military I the past century.

This is all just him working out his rejection complex, we should be charging for this therapy.

 

[MobBoss]

So actually you now even admit yourself that I was right all along, as Patroklos has already done but still won't admit it.

No, you're not right all along. Didnt you comprehend what I just said?

You alledged the 'dip for dip occurs frequently'.

You havent proven that. At all.

Form, here is a bit of knowledge you might not realize. Although military regualtion may indeed have a provision for something, that does not meant that it occurs with any regularity.

So, although the navy might indeed have a provision for another country dipping their flag to one of our ships, in common practice it doesnt happen. Other nations ships apprantly dont dip their flags to our ships as a common practice.

Your allegation from post #22 of this thread:

....the ensign is actually dipped quite frequently aboard US naval vessels....

You have not proven this. At all. What you have proven is there is a provision for it to occur. But thats it. Not that it actually occurs in practice - which is what Pat is addressing.

 

[Formaldehyde]

You both have already been shown to be "wrong" in this thread numerous times regarding basic knowledge of the military despite authoritative references being provided long ago. You have even disputed the quite obvious fact of the availability of military publications from private sources. Do you really want to "double down" yet again?

What "proof" do you have that such a common gesture of respect by so many navies isn't done quite "frequently", even to pleasure sailboats by the military of countries not nearly so regimented as to require it be done to them first?


Link to video.

 

[Gucumatz]

I could be wrong... but isn't that an English flag...? So it doesn't really make a case for American precedence on this one

 

[MobBoss]

You both have already been shown to be "wrong" in this thread numerous times, do you really want to "double down" again?

What "proof" do you have that such a common gesture of respect by so many navies isn't done quite "frequently", even to pleasure sailboats?


Link to video.

HMS means its not a ship of the US Navy Form...... so it doesnt really help you in your allegation of what the US Navy does.....

You do know the difference between the US Navy and the United Kingdoms right? What part of 'HMS' did you miss there?

Also, I think you make an error in assuming the dip in the video was for a 'pleasure sailboat' as it were. It could have been dipping the colors for a completely different reason not in the POV of the video.

Form has gone completely off the rails on this one and desparation has set in. Now that we have pinned him to the wall, we are going to see all manner of odd stuff by him, none of which will actually help prove his point. He is googling madly from his cubicle even as we post.

That...or he'll just stop posting. But he wont ever admit he's wrong. Uh-uh. Even in the face of evidence and facts to the contrary. He will never do that.

 

[dutchfire]

When I read the thread title, I hoped 'dipping the flag' was some obscure innuendo.

Thread disappoints.

 

[BvBPL]

You could be right, Gucumatz. I don't think there are many US warships with the HMS designation either.

 

[Carras Dad]

rum, sodomy, the lash, and pretending to be the US-navy.

 

[Gucumatz]

You could be right, Gucumatz. I don't think there are many US warships with the HMS designation either.

Perhaps they have interchangeable license plates?

 

[MobBoss]

Hows that credibility going there Form?

Not looking to good from this thread...

Regarding your edit:

....You have even disputed the quite obvious fact of the availability of military publications from private sources......

You do realize that 'military publication' does not necessarily mean 'military regulation' right?

Apparently not.

Also, I checked up a bit more on that Sniper Training book you linked to. If you buy it from Amazon or Google, you're doing yourself a disservice. It was approved for public release in 1994 and unlimited distribution, and you can download it for free straight from the US Army.

 

[Formaldehyde]

After being shown to be "wrong" so many times in a single thread and deliberately moving the goalposts afterwards, you are asking about my credibility?

Is it really your position that the US Navy is the George-Bush-G8-Summit-scorned pariah that ships from friendly countries infrequently salute by making a simple and apparently quite common gesture on the seas when then meet?

 

[BvBPL]

Is it really your position that the US Navy is the George-Bush-G8-Summit-scorned pariah that ships from friendly countries infrequently salute on the seas when then meet?

I rather doubt it, considering dipping an ensign isn't the only salute recognized by naval vessels.

 

[MobBoss]

After being shown to be "wrong" so many times in a single thread and deliberately moving the goalposts afterwards, you are asking about my credibility?

Are you going to claim ignorance on how many are commenting on how wrong you are in this thread?

Is it really your position that the US Navy is the George-Bush-G8-Summit-scorned pariah that ships from friendly countries infrequently salute on the seas when then meet?

You made an allegation. It was countered by a military professional with video proof. You have yet to prove your allegation with any proof what-so-ever, and the link in which you attempt to isnt even of the country in question.

I mean really, Form. Cant you find some video of say the Polish Navy dipping their colors to prove the US does it? Nigerian Navy? Or maybe some of your favs, like China or North Korea?

Yeah, i'd say your credibility is nil on this right now, approaching negative numbers.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Perhaps you might be "right". Perhaps other friendly navies and civilian ships don't show such a basic sign of respect and admiration to the US Navy except on an extremely infrequent basis. Perhaps I jumped to conclusions regarding how other friendly countries view our own armed forces these days.

 

[Carras Dad]

nevermind credibility, i simply have no idea what he'S trying to achieve here.

 

[Phrossack]

nevermind credibility, i simply have no idea what he'S trying to achieve here.

Forma and MB/Patroklos/kochman bicker with each other for sport, not to convince one another of anything. They always have and always will.

 

[MobBoss]

Forma and MB/Patroklos/kochman bicker with each other for sport, not to convince one another of anything. They always have and always will.

Ah, not to convince each other, but rather the attendent audience. At least I get pms to that effect...

 

[ace99]

In Battlestar Galactica they have a saying in their scriptures. "All of this has happened before and all of this shall happen again."

 

[BvBPL]

nevermind credibility, i simply have no idea what he'S trying to achieve here.

He's trying to max out his number of scare quotes by thread ratio.

 

[capslock]

Form, an expert on operating automatic weapons, centerfire rifles, AND naval regulations. The Admiral-General title is well earned.