Why single out Germany and its Holocaust?

[Zardnaar]

Its also well docmented. The gulags in Siberia at the time may as well have been the moon for the rest of the world. You couldn't really go to the USSR and have a look around for example.

 

[Arminius]

What a joke! Its like telling your wife 'Yeah I did sleep with another woman but I was drunk at the time. Oh, and I felt a bit guilty in the morning. So that makes it all right doesn't it honey?'

More like saying, "Yes, honey, I did sleep with another woman. I'm very sorry. I was drunk." Then having both the your wife and your mother beat you and watch you for years. Then it's okay. But enough with the similies.

You're right though, it wasn't confined to Germany. The Germans also set up death camps in Poland.

Except that the people of Poland, Czechoslovakia, Holland, Belgium, Occupied France, and the Soviet Union (among others) assisted by choice the Nazis' attempt at genocide. Moreover, Vichy France requested that the Nazi's take their Jews off their hands. Not exactly a German-only party now was it?

EDIT: I realize my last statement may be mis-read. I don't intend to say that "Oh, the Vichy knew of the genocide." They knew of labor-camps and internment camps, not of slaughterhouses. However, they still thought it a good idea to get rid of as many Jews as they could while they could.

And, if you read my sig, you'll see that I think that the only thing worse than the Holocaust is the genocides that occurred/are occuring that are ignore by the rest of the world.

"...but there is another kind of fear, that we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men."

 

[Dreadnought]

I know, but still, many other nations had atrocities, and everyone overlooks these

such as Spain and Cuba, they'd send the Cubans to concentration camps too!

 

[Verbose]

I know, but still, many other nations had atrocities, and everyone overlooks these

such as Spain and Cuba, they'd send the Cubans to concentration camps too!

If the question is:

'Is there a tendency to concentrate on the Nazi Holocaust in a manner that almost lets other nations get off the hook, considering some of the things they have historically been up to?'

Then I think the answer to that one must be 'Yes'.

 

[Dreadnought]

If the question is:

'Is there a tendency to concentrate on the Nazi Holocaust in a manner that almost lets other nations get off the hook, considering some of the things they have historically been up to?'

Then I think the answer to that one must be 'Yes'.

Thank you!

 

[Virote_Considon]

Except it was the German people who happily carried it out.

Actually, the majority of the German people didn't know it was happening, just like the rest of the world. When you see old pictures of German Millitary devisions, and the such watching the films of what was found in the death camps, the majority of them are crying at the horror of what their leaders had carried out behind their backs.

Furthermore, if the Holocaust wasn't carried out in Nazi Germany, then it could easily have been carried out in any other country, as most were anti-semetic then, as, some still unfortunatley are. The Holocaust was just a way of pointing fingers at the 'bad guy' and saying that genral direction of the political scale is 'wrong', even though to my knowlege, the Nazi government was the only right-wing extreemist government to ever actually carry out this kind of gennoside.


And finally, seeing as everyone likes to give examples of equilly as bad, nearly as bad or worse killing/ working to death of innocent people, then I think that the slavery of millions of Black people taken from their homes in Africa in the middle of the night, accross violent oceans in desiese-ridden, cramped boats, to be sold off to someone who's going to split you up from your family, and work you and your family for generations to come so they can make a tiny profit is a pretty good contender.

 

[Dreadnought]

And finally, seeing as everyone likes to give examples of equilly as bad, nearly as bad or worse killing/ working to death of innocent people, then I think that the slavery of millions of Black people taken from their homes in Africa in the middle of the night, accross violent oceans in desiese-ridden, cramped boats, to be sold off to someone who's going to split you up from your family, and work you and your family for generations to come so they can make a tiny profit is a pretty good contender.

I find this one of the saddest points of history, and yet its overlooked by the Holocaust

 

[Verbose]

I find this one of the saddest points of history, and yet its overlooked by the Holocaust

Maybe because these are two different and unconected events?

People may overlook the history of slavery, while paying great attention to WWII. But the Holocaust is in no position to 'overlook' anything. And it doesn't mean that the attention that is given the Holocaust is unwarranted.

Are you blaming the Holocaust, or the ignorance and limited imagination of some people here?

 

[Dreadnought]

Not here, in the world. I find it in my class, most friends, etc.

 

[Communisto]

what about the British Empire, it's attrocities completely dwarf that of The Third Reich

 

[privatehudson]

The British empire lasted over 2 centuries*, the Third Reich lasted 12 years. A bit of perspective would be useful. I don't recall a specific attempt to wipe out an entire native people to the last man in the British empire either.

*Clearly depending on when you define it's start and end...

 

[Constantine]

what about the British Empire, it's attrocities completely dwarf that of The Third Reich

The British Empire did not cause millions of death in conceration camps meant to kill, target specific groups for killing, illegally invade several countries and start a world war.

 

[privatehudson]

I'd say you'd probably have an interesting time defending the "didn't illegally invade several countries"

 

[Constantine]

Dunno the whole idea of neturaliity protected by treaties wasn't around and most of the type what the Brits invaded werent really countries in the sense of the countries Hitler invaded.

But the rest is still correct

And tge Hague Conventions of 1899 and 1907 were not in effect when the British invaded several countries

 

[privatehudson]

You know I'm getting the idea that someone is pushing the "they didn't have a flag so it was alright" argument here

And yes, I already stated my support of the rest before your post.

 

[Squonk]

The German Holocaust wasn't well known until after WW2. While it was recognized that Germany had legalized anti-semitism, and had established labor camps for Jews, socialists, gypsies, and other undesirables, the institutionalized slaughter of untermenschen didn't become general knowledge until some of the camps were captured by the Western Allies.

Polish gouverment informed the Allies and American Jews about the holocaust.
But they've shown little interest or did not believe

 

[privatehudson]

And just what were they meant to do?

 

[Warman17]

Polish gouverment informed the Allies and American Jews about the holocaust.
But they've shown little interest or did not believe

I remember hearing that the new york times put a 1 paragraph report on "Nazi Death Camps" on page 37 for one day during the war. Something like that.

 

[bombshoo]

The thing is, when someone says massacre they usally think of people running wild and killing and raping as they please, like the Japanese in WWII, or the Balkan and Rwanda situtions in the 90s. But the German's way massacre, was systamtic..It was literally a killing factory. People weren't caught up in the moment like in wars and riots, but it was planned, they would work out math formulas to figure out how long and how much work a Jew could do with how much food, and how many jews you could fit in a room and kill with how much gas. The only thing that comes close is Stalin's gulag in my opinon, because it was the only other place you were expected to work and die like you did. Even that wasn't planned out to the extent of Nazi concentration camps.

I am well aware Americans, British, Romanians, Spaniards, Japanese, Chinese, Rwandans, Serbs, Croats, Turks, Arabs, and Jews themselves, have all done similar things, but none had the attitude like the Nazis.

 

[Lonkut]

Why single out Germany for its holocaust?

Because the ones Hitler killed were jews.