Why without Korea??

[Cethegus]

What would Korea's UP be, then?

 

[Úmarth]

What would Korea's UP be, then?

Zerg rush?

 

[09camaro]

Zerg rush?

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Edit: in all seriousness... it would probably be something to do with high defenses or shipbuilding. the Koreans currently make the worlds best ships (South Korea)

 

[jungmo]

I thought of a couple:

Post Industrialization Boom: +25% Science, + 25% Gold, +25% production in every city after entering Modern Age (This is to reflect S. Korea's economic growth from Bangladesh levels to about Portugal/Spain levels. It might be too high, but it comes very late in the game, so it might be fair)

Or, as suggested, something about ships. Korea has the best ships in the world right now, plus they have a long history of an excellent navy and superior naval technology (mainly because of Japanese pirates/ wars with the Japanese).

It could be something like, all ships build with strength I promotion automatically or something like that.

Frankly, I think the UU should be the Turtle ships, with the world's first iron plated armor and spikes (to prevent raiders from boarding), 25 cannons (long before European ships were commonly outfitted with cannons), and numerous other features that allowed it to move quickly and maneuver easily. Oh well~

 

[Cethegus]

Perhaps a new UU could be modelled and editted into the game. I know I don't want Korea's UU to remain a mere fireworks rack.

 

[Jerrymander]

Obviously no one really cares about Korea.

 

[GoodGame]

I care, I really do. Obviously from the discussion, Korea's UB would have to output tremendous culture. Coming up with a set of historical victories is a problem too.

 

[musicfreak]

Why are we discussing Korea's UP when it's not going to be added into the game?

 

[Jinnai]

I thought of a couple:

Post Industrialization Boom: +25% Science, + 25% Gold, +25% production in every city after entering Modern Age (This is to reflect S. Korea's economic growth from Bangladesh levels to about Portugal/Spain levels. It might be too high, but it comes very late in the game, so it might be fair)

Not unless other nations like Japan and China are given similar booms. (Don't know...haven't managed to survive that far)

Frankly, I think the UU should be the Turtle ships, with the world's first iron plated armor and spikes (to prevent raiders from boarding), 25 cannons (long before European ships were commonly outfitted with cannons), and numerous other features that allowed it to move quickly and maneuver easily. Oh well~

Iron Spikes is not so bad, but Chinese navy had cannons before Korea and used them both for naval battles and land bombardment.

 

[3Miro]

UP is the small problem, what about UHV. Win 10 Starcraft championships? Add Slayers-Boxer world wonder?

OK, seriously, someone needs to consider the UHV and the impact of those on the rest of Asia and the world. As to the difficulty of adding a new civ, look at the playable Byzantines tread.

 

[Mxzs]

UP is the small problem, what about UHV. Win 10 Starcraft championships?

*snerk* I love Korea and would love to see Korea added to RFC. But I've also hung out at enough PC rooms near Busan to LOL at that joke ...

On-topic: Well, some of the other civs have UHVs that their real-life counterparts never met. You could do the same with Korea. Off the top of my head:

* Never lose Seoul. (Kind of obvious.)

* One of the pre-unification kingdoms, IIRC, actually pulled most of Manchuria under its sway for awhile, so there is historical precedent for a UHV that ratifies/presupposes expansion. Build a Confucian Academy, perhaps?

* Both of those would be easy if Korea were launched early enough. More difficult to achieve (and that would speak to Korean fantasies of revenge): something that would require the player to conquer the Japanese islands?

 

[3Miro]

On-topic: Well, some of the other civs have UHVs that their real-life counterparts never met. You could do the same with Korea. Off the top of my head:

The idea of the UHvs is that the civ did some of them and tried and failed with others. China did have huge culture, Confucianism + Taoism were well spread, however, China was conquered by the Mongols. Roman surely had all the western territory and had huge infrastructure (aqueducts and so on), but fell before the barbarian hordes. If one is to build UHVs for any civ, some of those should be UHVs of importance that the civ did achieve and one or one and a half should be something where the civ failed.

I don't know enough about Korean history to propose anything, hence I played stupid with the Starcraft joke.

 

[dc82]

While I'd rather see other Civ's coming in before Korea, here's a few thoughts on its implementation:

Unique Unit:
Hwacha (as we've seen since Civ 3)
Geobukseon (Turtle Boats) (Age of Empires II)

UHV:
- Spread Buddhism to 5 Japanese cities and build 4 Confucian academies in Korea by certain date: reflecting the spread of Buddhism to Japan and adoption of neo-Confucianism in Korea
- Not lose city until 1910 (with Mongolia, China, and Japan aggressive against Korea)/Produce X cultural output by date/Retain territorial control over southern Manchuria and Korean peninsula: reflecting the repulsion of foreign invasions and development of Korean national identity
- Retain stability until 1960/(Or with an "independent" Korea trigger in 1950 from half its territory,) Unite all lost Korean territories by 2010: the current goal/dream of Koreans for reunification

 

[Mxzs]

UHV:
- Spread Buddhism to 5 Japanese cities and build 4 Confucian academies in Korea by certain date[/B

Four Confucian Academies? Wouldn't that require 16 cities?

Another possible UHV: It's a controversial claim, but the Koreans like to say they were the first to come up with movable type. So, maybe first to discover Printing Press?

 

[dc82]

Four Confucian Academies? Wouldn't that require 16 cities?

Another possible UHV: It's a controversial claim, but the Koreans like to say they were the first to come up with movable type. So, maybe first to discover Printing Press?

Oops - perhaps just the spread of Confucianism in Korean cities or a temple built in each one.

I'd say a negative for the printing press, but maybe Alphabet for the development of Hangul?

 

[Jinnai]

Another possible UHV: It's a controversial claim, but the Koreans like to say they were the first to come up with movable type. So, maybe first to discover Printing Press?

Might be a good one. Alphabet would have already been discovered by the time they come into existence.

Not losing Seoul until 1600 should be another one (beginning of Tokugawa government and after the death of Toyotomi Hideyoshi) should be another.

The 3rd one would be the most difficult to figure out. They really didn't try to expand, except maybe some attempts to grab Mandate of Heaven and rule China, but I don't think the game can check specific nations you conquer.

 

[Mxzs]

I'd say a negative for the printing press, but maybe Alphabet for the development of Hangul?

I thought about Alphabet/Hangul--Hangul is so cool--but I think Jinnai is right about Alphabet being too close to being discovered by the time the Koreans would spawn. Also, Hangul was a relatively late invention, IIRC. That's too bad, because a Printing Press/Alphabet/Some 3rd Tech would work well.

What about Build the Internet by a certain date? That would get 3Miro's "Starcraft" joke in ...

 

[AnotherPacifist]

Korea's UP: To be discussed ad nauseam by RFC fans, yet ignored and never to be implemented by Rhye.

 

[Cashie]

Korea would be nice, but just not possible in the main game of RFC.
There's no talk of a RFC Asia, is there? As a complement to the Europe.
The leader should definitely be Sejong instead of Wang Geon.

Keep the StarCraft jokes coming!