Will each Civ have a prefered religion?

[geebo]

Right, but so did other rulers...so who gets to have what? I can see the arguments now:
"Israel started it"
"There is no Israel in the game"
"Then no one gets Christianity, I want Israel in the game"
"Isabella gets it next"
"But the Byzantines had it before her"
"Dibs, dibs, we Romans have the Vatican!"
"The Ethiopians next!"

See where I'm going with this? I personally don't think that 2k/Firaxis want to open this particular can of worms. They'll leave it to the modders to play around with. They'll give us the basic framework and let players decide how they want to play it.

I see what you are saying, however I think we are having some sort of confusion. I'm not comparing what civ should have the '#1 dibs' on Christianity what I'm saying is that each Civ should have a preferred religion(or multiple) so for example if Spain, Byzantium, and France were in the game, all their preferred religion would be Christianity, so whichever civ gets a Great Prophet and founds the first religion will choose Christianity. The other two civs in this case would have to use either their second preferred religion, or a random one depending on how(if) its implemented. Hope that makes sense?

 

[LordMalice]

You are seeing it wrnog.

The Unhappines caused by number of Cities is a measure against having large empires. Each Civ had some kind of mechanism to prevent you from being large without a penalty. Because the city-specific unhappines was made into global one.. blah blah blah.

In Civ 3, you have Corruption, in Civ 4, you had something.

See? Religion has nothing to do with anything of what you are talkin' about.

I brought up the religion thing, saying that I was hoping preference of religions based on civilization would not add up to the anger of the civilians. Of course as I myself realized the preference thing is purely a a.i. thing. If anything, it has alot to do with what I'm talking about.

Any other reason I would believe, like cultural, religious, or other reasons would be believable to why people get angry, but the number of cities? It comes across as a very forced reason and really ruins the immersion for me when my people are apparently so horribly petty that the number of civies hurts their mood. But this is off topic.

Point is, I was relating to the topic about a common problem I have with the game(Peoples unhappiness) and I was afraid this idea would increase peoples unhappiness even more, but I realized I was wrong about that.

 

[nokmirt]

I don't see why you would oppose this.

I don't really it will work out just fine. Thinking about it, I'd rather have religions have a decent chance of matching the civs historically. A funny change now and then would be nice though.

 

[Gucumatz]

To answer this question :
"so who gets to have what?"

The answer is simple.. Let me put this under the microscope FOR THE FINAL TIME
There are 12 civilizations in this game, and 6 religions will be founded. The 12 Civs are
1. Arabia
2. China
3. India
4. Byzantium
5. Spain
6. England
7. Mongolia
8. Japan
9. Persia
10. Aztecs
11. Ethiophia
12. Celts.

The first civlization to found a religion is Mongolia, because Tengirism has roots in Mongolia, Genghis founds Tengirism as the FIRST religion. the other TEN options are still open
The second civilization to found a religion is Persia. Because I find Zorostranism most related to Persia, Persia finds Zorostranism as the SECOND religion.
The third civilization to found a religion, is Japan. Because Shinto has Japense roots, Oda founds Shinto, and the fourth religion to found a religion is Shinto.
The fourth civilization to found a religion is Isabella. Because Isabella is mostly a Christian girl, she picks Christianity. now, at this stage, Byzantium, Celts and England will now have to pick some other religion, because their prefered religion is already picked. and so it happens that the fifth religion founded is Judaism, because let's pretend England's second prefered religion is Judaism. The sixth relgigion is then founded by Byzantium, and Theodora chooses Islam because, I think Turkey is mostly a Islamic nation (correct me if I'm wrong). and Byzantium in Turkey.

Does everybody understand what is happening here?
Mongolia, Persia, Japan and Spain were the first four to found a religion, they picked their prefered religions (Tengirism, Zorostranism, Shinto, Christianity). the other two nations to found religion, England and Byzantium, both had Christianity as their top favourite religion. England was the 5th religion, and because Christianity was already picked, Liz chose her 2nd favourite religion, Judaism. (I'm assuming btw here, I don't know what's the second most popular religion in England). Because Byzantium was the last to found a religion, and Christianity and Judaism were already picked, Byzantium went to her 3rd favourite religion (Islam should probably even be the 2nd favourite religion for Byzantium), Islam. and so, Islam was stuck with Byzantium.

Now does EVERYBODY understand what we meant!?

All of the above is not only non-contoversial, but easy to implement, and adds perfect flavor to my game. I for one will pick religions based on nations I'll paly, I'll pick Christianity for most European nations, Islam or Judaism for Arabs, hell, I'll even pick Confucianism for Korea (for some reason, even if the religion is mostly Chiense!)

Exactly. Not sure what people are misunderstanding here.

If lets say its a 4 civ game:

Byzantines, Austria, Germany, and Spain and all of their first preferred religion is Christianity, whoever founds a religion first will get it.

The other civs with having their primary preferred religion taken will/should either resort to picking their second preferred religion or some random religion. Say Austria founds a religion next and picks Shintoism because its preferred was already taken. Nothing difficult here nor controversial.

 

[gunnergoz]

I see what you are saying, however I think we are having some sort of confusion. I'm not comparing what civ should have the '#1 dibs' on Christianity what I'm saying is that each Civ should have a preferred religion(or multiple) so for example if Spain, Byzantium, and France were in the game, all their preferred religion would be Christianity, so whichever civ gets a Great Prophet and founds the first religion will choose Christianity. The other two civs in this case would have to use either their second preferred religion, or a random one depending on how(if) its implemented. Hope that makes sense?

It makes perfect sense, you are correct. However, I still think (and may yet be proven wrong!) that 2K/Firaxis will wimp out on this and avoid making the connections you are hoping for.

If they are willing to do it, it won't bother me in the least, but I have gotten a bit cynical when it comes to how companies handle controversy: if there is even the slightest chance that it will disrupt the financial bottom line, they will avoid controversy if at all possible.

 

[Gucumatz]

It makes perfect sense, you are correct. However, I still think (and may yet be proven wrong!) that 2K/Firaxis will wimp out on this and avoid making the connections you are hoping for.

If they are willing to do it, it won't bother me in the least, but I have gotten a bit cynical when it comes to how companies handle controversy: if there is even the slightest chance that it will disrupt the financial bottom line, they will avoid controversy if at all possible.

But again, what controversy?

This was included in Civ 4.

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

I actually think this IS included, becuase the screenshot on offical sites has the following :

4 out of 6 religions make sense, with 2 being the most sense.
Persia has Zorostranism, and Byzantium has Christianity, now, there is the case of the Rexopolis being actually the player, so we'll assume that for now.
But Egypt picked Islam, which I think actually makes a lot of sense, seeing how Zorostranism was picked first anyway.
Greece picked Judaism, also makes sense.
The only 2 that don't fir is Confucianism with Babylon, and Buddhism with Celts.

 

[JimFinkelstein]

Yes, that would be nice, but since the Civ series doesn't aim at total historical accuracy (or anything near that), I think it's not a vital feature. What I would like, if they do include it, is an option to turn preferred religions on or off.

How can you say that it isn't a vital feature of the game? If you are ok with Shintoism for Germany, then why not have a fictional Civilization like Blooga dooby dooga added into the game since it doesn't matter for the game to have any historical accuracy at all. It isn't hard I am sure to add some codes to properly place the right wonders, infrastructures, and religions to its rightful civilization, or better yet, let us have an option to play a historical accurate mode in the game's settings.

 

[nokmirt]

or better yet, let us have an option to play a historical accurate mode in the game's settings.

He said he would like an option added to turn preferred religions on or off. I am not sure where this pointless argument is going.

 

[El Caballerion]

I still think the religions should be tailored heavily to the civs present in the game. I think there should be both Catholicism and Protestantism, as well as Sunni and Shia for the Islamic Civs. Think about it.... There is a super-abundance of Christian civs (European and Western civs) and Islamic Civs (Egypt, Carthage, Ottoman Empire, Ethiopia, Arabia, Persia, Songhai, parts of China, parts of Mongolian Mughal Empire, parts of Siam, etc.). And we all know about the infighting between different denominations of these two religions.

There should even be some sort of reference to Paganism or Nature Worship for the North American civs who have no religious representation in the game at all.

C'mon Firaxis, just increase your total from 11 to 15 (Catholicism, Protestantism, Sunni, Shia, Paganism) so that we get more diversity from the world's two largest religions and representation for 4 North American civs excluded! It wont matter if there can only be 11 religions in the game... some will just be excluded, but if there is religious bias per civ (which I think would be INCREDIBLE) you wouldn't need to have such awkward games where a country like Sweden chooses Shintoism in a game where Japan isn't even present. And if you did, you could just uncheck a box in the advanced game which would turn this religious bias off and dive into a world where the USA follows Zorostrianism and Germany is Jewish.

Nah' mean?

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

The only reason why we have 11 icons is purely to make sure that in a 22 player game, 11 religions exist properly.

 

[nokmirt]

I still think the religions should be tailored heavily to the civs present in the game.

You know what I think? Sidism should be a GnK preorder bonus civ.

 

[Depravo]

Paganism would be represented by the lack of any religion. An EU mod referred to the Aztec and Inca religions at 'Teotl' and 'Inti' respectively (with dubious justification), perhaps we could throw those in.

 

[JFD]

I still think the religions should be tailored heavily to the civs present in the game. I think there should be both Catholicism and Protestantism, as well as Sunni and Shia for the Islamic Civs. Think about it.... There is a super-abundance of Christian civs (European and Western civs) and Islamic Civs (Egypt, Carthage, Ottoman Empire, Ethiopia, Arabia, Persia, Songhai, parts of China, parts of Mongolian Mughal Empire, parts of Siam, etc.). And we all know about the infighting between different denominations of these two religions.

One can't help but see the controversy behind this. Protestantism over Orthodoxy?

 

[El Caballerion]

One can't help but see the controversy behind this. Protestantism over Orthodoxy?

Ah. You're totally right. I forgot that Orthodoxy wasn't included. It definitely should alongside Catholicism and Protestantism. That way, it covers both Greece, Russia, Byzantium, the Huns (maybe) and possibly Ethiopia.

 

[JFD]

Ah. You're totally right. I forgot that Orthodoxy wasn't included. It definitely should alongside Catholicism and Protestantism. That way, it covers both Greece, Russia, Byzantium, the Huns (maybe) and possibly Ethiopia.

Perhaps someone will be able to mod them in one day. The icons are already in the Fall of Rome scenario.

 

[RealHuhn]

To be honest, I play CIV to "rewrite" history, not to replay it.

Therefore I'd actually like to see civs picking different and surprising religions

 

[Calouste]

Ah. You're totally right. I forgot that Orthodoxy wasn't included. It definitely should alongside Catholicism and Protestantism. That way, it covers both Greece, Russia, Byzantium, the Huns (maybe) and possibly Ethiopia.

Most Ethiopians are Coptic rather than Eastern Orthodox.

I'd like to see the Greco-Roman Zeus/Jupiter religion included, but apparently there isn't even a proper name for it (Paganism doesn't count).

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

Isn't technically Pantheon a "Pagan" religion? the only drawback to that is the fact that you don't have a Follower, Founder,and Enhancer beliefs.

 

[El Caballerion]

I'd like to see the Greco-Roman Zeus/Jupiter religion included, but apparently there isn't even a proper name for it (Paganism doesn't count).

Good idea. This could cover both Rome and Greece. Maybe it could be called the Olympian Gods?