Will it ever come to war between the United States and Iraq?

Do you think an attack on Iraq would be a wise move?

  • Yes

    Votes: 25 59.5%
  • No

    Votes: 14 33.3%
  • Don't know

    Votes: 3 7.1%

  • Total voters
    42

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As the United States prepares for the armed struggle against Saddam's Iraq, what do you think about the United States going to war against Iraq?

Despite the overwhelming loss in the Gulf War, losing 40 % of its forces, Iraq still has an army around 424,000 men, estimated in one report. Another one, a USCENTCOM report states that Iraq can activate 700,000 men including the country's reserves.

The Army has 2,200 main battle tanks along with 3,700 other armed vehicles. The Army is too said to enjoy 700 fairly modern T-72 tanks along with 900 BMP 1/2 AIFVs, 150 self-propelled artillery weapons, and 200 multiple
rocket launchers.

The Iraqi Air Force has some 316 aircraft in its inventory, although only 50-60 % of the aircraft is ready for action. Iraq is the only country in the region to have bombers, a risible total of 6 bombers. The total fighter aircraft available is 180. This includes several types, mentioning some of them: 38 Mirage F-1, 12 MiG-29 Fulcrums, 19 MiG-25/MiG-25R Foxbat Bs, 12 Su-25 Frogfoots, 1 Su-24D Fencer capable of inflight refuelling, 30 Su-20/22 Fitter.

Regarding gunships, the Air Force has 24 Mi-24 Hinds, most likely the Mi-24V/Hind E version, somewhat similar to our AH-64 Apache, but though capable of transporting a maximum of eight troops. Another attack helicopter is the PAH-1 BO-105 produced by the joint European company, Eurocopter. Not comparable with the Hind in both firepower and strenght, the BO-105 is a fast and flexible chopper. The Air Force too has 15 French-British SA-342 Gazelle attack helicopters which is better than the BO-105, for instance armed with 2 SA-7 AAMs. Iraq has some 400 of the Russian-built SA-2, SA-3, and SA-6 SAM batteries in the inventory, which have time after time proven rather efficient.

The Iraqi Navy has 1 Missile Patrol Boat, 5 other Patrol Boats, 3 Mine Warfare Vessels, and 3 Landing Craft Vessels. Iraq only has one single Patrol Boat equipped with a SS-N-? anti-ship missile.

Compressed into a short phrase: Iraq will have a difficult time defending themselves. This comes in spite of the Republican Guard which has fought rather well compared to the regular army.
The military decay is pervasive, and a recent U.S. estimate on how much Iraq would have to spend to bring back the military in a decent shape, numbers $20 billion. Although no official reports or papers have been released, there are several ways to invade the country. It would be obvious to think of an invasion through Kuwait, but foremost through Saudi Arabia. What one should keep in mind, is that a large transportation of troops that would be required in such a campaign would not move to the region without being spotted immediately by Iraq. One would say that such a campaign of this scale would require 500,000+ men, if a 100% victory is requested. The United States can draw upon several bases in the region, such as the Sheik Isa Air Base which proved very important during the Gulf War, along with numerous other air bases in Bahrain, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia.

Personally, one thinks that the U.S. plan to invade Iraq could be a deliberate deception, and then we would attack some other country like the Sudan or Somalia. But the world will immediately see which country the U.S. chooses, because either of the operations would require the manpower that would not be invisible to either friend or foe.
But an invasion after the new year is more likely. The question is also whether Saudi Arabia and Kuwait would lay ground to such operations. Although, the Saudis have said that they will maintain the oil export, Saudi Arabia cannot be considered reliable.
One is of course a personal supporter of armed action against Saddam. It would be a big step towards eliminating outspread terrorism if Iraq fell. At the same time, the United States should make every possible effort to support coalition forces in Iraq which might become an important element in a U.S. assault. The question is not whether the United States would win a war against Iraq, which no sane man can argue, but how the United States is gonna do it.

But if I were you, Saddam, I'd start counting the days. :D
 
The US Army is busy training up its divisions, and there has been more than enough political sabre rattling. Many friends of mine in uniform are going to Kuwait in September.

My money is on November or December it begins.

I guess you can count my vote as a "yes".
 
Even though i dont think Iraq would have much of a chance, overestimating the enemy is better that underestimating it. I voted yes. He`s a lunatic and should be properly shot, and have his coprse dragged through the streets of Baghdad.
 
Of course. Hussain is a real jerk to everyone, including the nation of Iraq.
 
Q1: Will ever come to war between the United States and Iraq?

Q2: Do you think an attack on Iraq would be a wise move?

are two quite different questions. There are in fact 4 answers.

Q1 Y Y N N
Q2 Y N Y N

Which question should we answer?
 
Even though I consider myself a conservative Republican, I believe a ground war against Iraq will only happen in late 2003 or early 2004...to push Bushs' ratings back up for the coming election.

Does Saddam need to go, I believe so, but I also believe it will be used for political gains as well.
 
Originally posted by EdwardTking
Q1: Will ever come to war between the United States and Iraq?

Q2: Do you think an attack on Iraq would be a wise move?

are two quite different questions. There are in fact 4 answers.

Q1 Y Y N N
Q2 Y N Y N

Which question should we answer?

Well, what do you think? Do you see a poll for the first question?
Vote the poll, and then please state whether you think it will come to war between the two, the second question can be answered by anyone, even those who don't actually think it will come to war can answer if they think an attack would be wise or not.
 
Sure Saddams an awful, awful man who should slowly be roasted over an open vat lava, I totally agree Saddam's gotta go, but I just hope the US has a good idea what will come AFTER Saddam is gone so the region doesn't get further destabilized. I also beleive the Americans should have a more active role in supporting a Kurdish homeland after the fall of Saddam
 
OK; now that it is clarified;

Yes and Yes

I think that the war and instability will be quite bad; but
not going to war is surrendering and that is even worse.
 
Me think USA attacking Iraq be a bad thing.

I have little love for either country, so am not biased when I say that.

Me thinks any attack would cause horrendus civialian casualties

Me thinks it would be dumb of the Americans to attack during the middle of this current Isreali-Palestian crisis,

Me thinks it would distabilise the middle east to launch an escalated military campaign against Iraq (as you may or may not know the USA already sporadically attacks Irqui targets on a regualer basis as they seek to patrol the 'no-fly zone')

I could go on but I think you get the idea, me opposed to any attack.

As for If an attack will happen....I think it probably will:(
 
Originally posted by ComradeDavo
Me think USA attacking Iraq be a bad thing.

I have little love for either country, so am not biased when I say that.

Me thinks any attack would cause horrendus civialian casualties

Me thinks it would be dumb of the Americans to attack during the middle of this current Isreali-Palestian crisis,

Me thinks it would distabilise the middle east to launch an escalated military campaign against Iraq (as you may or may not know the USA already sporadically attacks Irqui targets on a regualer basis as they seek to patrol the 'no-fly zone')

I could go on but I think you get the idea, me opposed to any attack.

As for If an attack will happen....I think it probably will:(
It's 'I' not 'me'. It's 'I'. *curls up into a ball with hands over his ears* I can't take it. Becoming stupid.

Hussain out of office might sabilize the ME. It's already unstable.
 
Originally posted by Zarn

It's 'I' not 'me'. It's 'I'. *curls up into a ball with hands over his ears* I can't take it. Becoming stupid.

Hussain out of office might sabilize the ME. It's already unstable.
Hey, i'm tired alright! I just been moshing for two hours!:D Brain needs a rest!
 
Originally posted by Xiahou-Dun
Does Saddam need to go, I believe so, but I also believe it will be used for political gains as well.
Well that will make me sleep better at night.
The politizing of warfare is one of the few developments in the last few decades that really scares me.

Originally posted by ComradeDavo
I have little love for either country, so am not biased when I say that.
:lol: Sure buddy ;)
Is there any war that you'd support (save from the people's revolution against the oppressor class?).

Personally, I think Saddam is a showman and oppertunist. The greater enemy we make of him, the greater enemy he will wish to become.
Iraq's threat to its neighbors is benign at this point, and it is primarily his neighbors problem. I'm not a gambling man, but I would wager against him posing a threat to the Middle East again, even with nuclear weapons.
Not a great enough risk to send our troops to die for anyway. It might become our problem someday, but it isn't a problem right now.
 
Originally posted by Greadius
Well that will make me sleep better at night.
The politizing of warfare is one of the few developments in the last few decades that really scares me.

I retain the right to be wrong.;) but I fear I will not be in this case. And I admit I helped put Bush in office, but this was my only recourse since Gore defeated Bradley (sp?) If the election had been Bush against Bradley, I would have chosen the man I thought could do the job America needs..Bradley.

And in 2004 if it's Bush against Gore again...and since I believe it's my duty to vote, I will again vote for Bush. Strange it might sound, but I believe I will be choosing the lesser of two evils this way.
 
I'm of two opposite opinions on this business.

One part of me thinks that Saddam is ruthless, murderous, sinister and treacherous, but not really insane the way he's been made out to be, and that the chance to remove him passed a decade ago. In diplomatic circles, one can't just arbitrarily decide to topple world leaders, no matter how much of an obstacle he proves. And it also bothers me that doing so would serve to open another marketplace for the U.S. even as we are inundated with self-congratulatory Americans claiming they have stopped an evil menace out of the inate goodness of just being Americans.

But the other opinion is that the middle east is a region that is either already destabilized (so it won't make a huge impact) or desperately needs a good shake-down.

But, perversely, if the U.S. actually does invade or just pummel the Iraqis with jetpower, I want Canadian forces/jets marching/flying with them, because most of all, I believe in sticking by our allies, and I support the war on terror, I'm only concerned by the idea of further U.S. expansion.
 
I don't think it's wise idea - a war againt Iraq.
But i think it will come to a war.


I just wanted to say that it will be a hard thing for the US...


Occuping a country isn't just bombing it from above...
Many soldiers on the ground will be used, and we all knoe that the US Ground Forces are not a effective as the Air-forces because on the ground the technical superiority isnt that important as it is in the air....

Many people will dy in this war! Many US soldiers too! And for what reason? For a few votes for the Republicans? (BTW. I bet the Democrats wouldnt behave much different).

We all knoe that the US has a strong militaric power, but a weak political power...
The whole world call them "Cowboys" - and if you think about it you will see its not just nonsense to call them so...


It's easy to vote a "yes" here, but is a war that easy?
The oldest and truest saying is:

"Nobody wins anything with a war, but everybody loses something"
 
If the Army coordinates its missions well and has a large quantity of well-trained men, the U.S. should not meet any particularly harsh resistance. It's essential that we ensure that we have total control with the skies.

It will be a lot harder than Desertstorm because we will have to reach out in all directions of the country to eliminate the regime and its supporters. I don't think that we'll see several thousands of innocent civilians being killed, because it's not about carpet bombing one city after the other, it's about striking about communications, airfields, military bases in general, and of course places where Saddam may hide. Remember, the man has palaces with has the same total area as Washington D.C! If he's smart, he'd run away and hide in Syria or Libya, or just a country in Africa which as anti-American, particularly the Sudan, Somalia etc.

There may be a situation afterwards which may look like total anarchy, but one believes that there are many willing people to transform Iraq into a somewhat modern country, there's no guarantee that it will go just as smoothless as in Afghanistan. But Iraq has far greater potential to make themselves a strong country economically. The trade embargos would be lifted as soon as a new government is created. We should make sure that we don't let in new fanatics psychos, or we'll might as well end up with another clergy regime as in Iran. One does think that our forces must alert, because Saddam will use anything he might get his hands on this time, including throwing around with chemical and biological weapons, which could prove disasterous both to our soldiers, but certainly also to the civilian population.
 
It will be a lot harder than Desertstorm because we will have to reach out in all directions of the country to eliminate the regime and its supporters. I don't think that we'll see several thousands of innocent civilians being killed, because it's not about carpet bombing one city after the other, it's about striking about communications, airfields, military bases in general, and of course places where Saddam may hide. Remember, the man has palaces with has the same total area as Washington D.C! If he's smart, he'd run away and hide in Syria or Libya, or just a country in Africa which as anti-American, particularly the Sudan, Somalia etc.

There's something wrong with this attitude... I'll get impression that you don't actually
care if the war's justified or not - that the main thing is to only reach more strategic resources.
 
Originally posted by Juize


There's something wrong with this attitude... I'll get impression that you don't actually
care if the war's justified or not - that the main thing is to only reach more strategic resources.


One doesn't really know what you are talking about. About justification, the United States has been in its right to intervene militarily since the Gulf War and to kick out Saddam. The regime is a ticking bomb, the population is starving because of him, and the economy is at an all-time low height. The idea that the man actually has nuclear devices is worrying, because he might use it against Israel or other nations. He's guilty of mass genocide in northern Iraq when he killed hundreds of innocent Kurds. You see, there are numerous explanations why to intervene.
 
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