people tolerate paying for DLC because it adds new (and optional) content, making people pay for bug fixes required to make the game playable would be the end of PC gaming.
Will you be upset with game bugs or an incomplete game?
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people tolerate paying for DLC because it adds new (and optional) content, making people pay for bug fixes required to make the game playable would be the end of PC gaming.
Bugs are unavoidable. The question is only how many, how frequent and how severe.
I would be much more upset about shoddy gamedesign or a AI that is too smart for it's own good, because THAT would have been avoidable. (Looking at you, Empire:Total War)
I had my worst experience with Empire too, the game is just horrible and I had completely lost my faith to the dev.
For Civ franchise, I feel great with CIII and very content with CIV despite having some bug.
CV is quite a big leap and bug problem seems quite unavoidable, just hope that the dev will fix them ASAP after the game release.
Stuie
Laudir Agus Mir
I couldn't play Civ 4 for a long time after its initial release - ATI card problem or something; my memory is foggy. I remember I gave up on it and went back to modding Rome: Total War for a while, then came back six months later and found it to be playable.
Having to endure that again would piss me off since I don't feel like modding Rome: Total War any more.
Having to endure that again would piss me off since I don't feel like modding Rome: Total War any more.
Kruelgor
Emperor
Bugs will always exist in an initial release of a major title. All that matters is how quickly will they release patches to fix the bugs.
eris
King
If you are the kind of person who tends or likes to be upset, you will get upset. If you are the kind of person who rolls with life's challenges, you will roll with the challenge. If you are the kind of person who insists on having fun no matter what, you will have a great time. That'll be me. If you can't stand knowing someone else is having fun or being happy, you will ask every negative hypothetical you can think of just to kill someone else's buzz.
If it comes out of the box and (gasp) actually works, will you be disappointed?
If it comes out of the box and (gasp) actually works, will you be disappointed?
ZimbuTheMonkey
King
A few bugs and glitches are fine, that's just inherent to video games. It would cost a tremendous amount and delay the game significantly if they quality controlled to the point where ALL bugs were eliminated.
I'll be happy if it isn't a release like Elemental.
I'll be happy if it isn't a release like Elemental.
Naw I am not here to attack the game. Civ series is one of my favoirte games. I just don't want to be disapointed like I was when Civ IV came out. It was unplayable. Now with the patches and new computer, I can finally play and love the game. I just wished I could have loved that game when it came out, not 3 years later.
I said this in another post. Not shure if it was here or in another forum. I have warned people that maybe from now till 10 years, we will see patches might be called DLC. If you want them you pay for them. As people and companies have said many times, they make no money on patches. So why would 2K or companies keep making patches and spend resources making pathces if they don't make money from it?
So now you want that new Civilization? How about some new techs and units. Oh by the way, this will also fix you game as well, but you have to buy it. But you are not forced to buy it, but unfortunately it will not fix your game since the time and resources went into making the DLC.
Just rememeber 15 years ago, I was laughed at when I said patches would be the norm for games being released, that lots of games are released too early and patched later. I was told I am an idiot and this will never happen. Just look at most of the comments. People accept small bugs that can be patched later.
So yes, we will be paying for patches in the future. Companies will not call them patches, but "updates" and will say, since they add new features blah blah blah, you will have to pay for them.
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If Elemental is the worst game releases you have ever experienced, apparently you haven't played many games.
Pools of Radiance remake had this nice issue of destroying your operating system install if you tried to uninstall if I remember.....and it forced you to install on your "c:" drive so some people actually did this.
One review had this headline "Somebody peed in the pool" which I thought was clever.
ImperialGuard
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there's gonna be bugs/balancing required, no doubt.
Maybe we should start a "guess the 1st patch date" thread
Maybe we should start a "guess the 1st patch date" thread
Let's put it this way. Elemental came out on August 24. Multiplayer is listed on the box. Multiplayer started working yesterday.
It's a shame because the game has a lot of good ideas, but they released it far too early and it's probably going to be next year before it's to where it should have been.
As for Civ 5... there is no such thing as a bug free game at launch. The question is what kind of bugs and missing features we're talking about. If I can't alt+tab and multiplayer flat out doesn't work? I'll be rather upset.
But if a temple says it gives 2 happiness and only gives 1? That's just something that will happen sometimes.
I remember another big named game, (of course I can't remeber) Where it was suppose to have multiplayer and it was added in later. Actually wasn't that Civ III? It was advertised that it would be multiplayer game, and when it shipped nobody could play multiplayer, or was I thinking of another game? It's been so long now.
As for no such thing as a bug free game at launch, that is bull. We as a society (gaming society) have let it happen. We kept on buying games no matter what that we let developers and distributors to releases games with bugs in them. I remember a time when I played games that were never patched because they were playable at launch time, and the only time it was "patched" was to make the game different after playing it a while.
Now it's standard to expect bugs on release and we should never do. Just look at the QA in the manual. So many people there. How much you want to make a bet we will have comments in posts saying "Well the QA should have caught this, how come it was never fixed before release".
So bugs should never be in a game, we just let it happen. I bet if game sales went down big time, this would have never happened. Just like how people stopped buying American cars in the 80's because quality sucked and they started to buy Japanse cars. Now the quality of American cars are really good now. So if we releate this to computer games, people are still buying American cars like the 80's no matter how bad the quality was. So things will never change.
Bugs are unavoidable. The question is only how many, how frequent and how severe.
I would be much more upset about shoddy gamedesign or a AI that is too smart for it's own good, because THAT would have been avoidable. (Looking at you, Empire:Total War
Empire: Total War made me sad. I bought it on release day and it was unplayable for over 6 months, on a good system.
I've endured Star Trek: Birth of the Federation, Master of Orion 3, and M.A.X. (Mechanized Assault & eXploration) 2.
It would make me have a nerd-rage if the game was excessively buggy (i.e., beta status) or incomplete, but I trust Firaxis to actually finish their game. Generally by patch 1.31.
It would make me have a nerd-rage if the game was excessively buggy (i.e., beta status) or incomplete, but I trust Firaxis to actually finish their game. Generally by patch 1.31.
How do you know that game was actually bug free? Bugs can be pretty hard to detect in some games. Doesn't mean they're not there. Games back then were also a lot smaller, and factoring in inflation a lot more expensive.
Half the time people say that, QA actually DID catch it and someone else decided it wasn't worth pushing the release date back to fix. These things are always time crunched.
... because there's no bugs in Japanese cars, right?
Software in general has bugs, and building it so that it's totally bug free requires a different and much more expensive methadology then how games are made. If you want to pay $200 for a game, I'm sure they'd be happy to do it. But it's not practical for most of us when your usual release has pretty minor issues. Something like Starcraft 2 was in pretty good shape at release.
Besides, who do you blame when there's lots of interconnected components? One of the bugs in Elemental (since we were talking about them) was the inability to alt+tab on ATI hardware. That was actually shown to be a bug in ATI's drivers, where a function doesn't do what ATI says it does. There's not a whole lot a game developer can do when the underlying hardware doesn't work the way it's supposed to.
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I'm ok with a few bugs as long as they don't break the game. I know that buying buggy games before they are patched sends a wrong signal to the devs but in games I'm really looking forward to I just can't help myself.
What does "leary" mean? The same as "wary"?
What does "leary" mean? The same as "wary"?
You know, I was thinking about buying this Civilization 5 game that I've been hearing so much about. I came to this site to find out more, and I find out that the game is buggy and unplayable, has been dumbed down completely, has horrible balancing issues, terrible graphics, and forces you to use a digital distribution service that steals you personal info, credit card, and soul. Well, I'm definately not buying this game now. I mean, if the civ FANATICS hate it so much, I can't imagine how bad it really is.
I don't care about bugs massively as Im patient enough, its frustrating but I worked for a game developer when I was younger and know how much of a nightmare getting a game bug free on pc was, so I know full well buying day one the risks I may encounter. like said by other people Empire was my worst experience,
It was playable on my system, but very buggy but the AI was what annoyed me most, once it was patched it was awesome though just it was damage already done for alot of people which is a shame as TW is like CiV to me, I love it and don't want them to be sucessful so they keep on making more games., also Napoleon total war was pretty much bug free and fixed the AI a bit. (guess they learnt their lesson, definatly worth a bargin bin pick up if you we're angry at Empire but want to see a much more polished game) hope Shogun is bug free and a bigger improvement in AI...
Anyways, despite bugs or anything Im going to love Civ V I reckon, it combines two of my faverite games, Civ and panzer general... its like my dream game possibly....
It was playable on my system, but very buggy but the AI was what annoyed me most, once it was patched it was awesome though just it was damage already done for alot of people which is a shame as TW is like CiV to me, I love it and don't want them to be sucessful so they keep on making more games., also Napoleon total war was pretty much bug free and fixed the AI a bit. (guess they learnt their lesson, definatly worth a bargin bin pick up if you we're angry at Empire but want to see a much more polished game) hope Shogun is bug free and a bigger improvement in AI...
Anyways, despite bugs or anything Im going to love Civ V I reckon, it combines two of my faverite games, Civ and panzer general... its like my dream game possibly....
Hey man the games not out, people are guessing or panicing, the game will be good..
Buggy unplayable, most reviewers say it's a little buggy, but very playable
It hasn't been dumbed down at all, it's been streamlined and improved
What balancing issues in particular?
it looks damn good.
Steam is awesome, the sooner everyhting is steam based the better for PC games.
If you don't buy it thats your choice, just your reasons are a little pointed and off center, Its like refusing to go on holiday somewhere because you only read the absolutly bad reviews and ignore the good ones, so you'll never go anywhere because almost every place in the world has had one bad review... oh well your loss.
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