Wisdom vs Intelligence

[LuckyAC]

Intelligence is the raw material, wisdom is a finished product, limited by its inputs. On the one hand, having wisdom proves you must have some intelligence, so you are kind of getting a double bonus. On the other hand, intelligence is immutable, so you better grab all you can, since you can develop widsom throughout your life (and the greater your intelligence, the greater potential for wisdom you have).

Assigning arbitrary values, let's say you have 40 wisdom, that proves you must have at least 20 intelligence. If you have 40 intelligence, you could still have 0 wisdom. On the other hand, throughout your life, you will be able to reach 40 intelligence and 100 wisdom, while the wise dunce has a ceiling of 20 intelligence and 50 wisdom. You can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear.

Of course, the correlation between the two is pretty strongly positive, so usually no choice is involved.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

To me, i think intelligent and religion are mutally exclusive, unless ur the type that leads(making use of religion) instead of follow like a sheep,

You have never met an intelligent person who believed something that was incorrect?

 

[Perfection]

whereelse some "old", "religious" ppl think they are "wise", they never was.
To me, i think intelligent and religion are mutally exclusive, unless ur the type that leads(making use of religion) instead of follow like a sheep,

People who follow religion make use of it.

 

[Ramius75]

You have never met an intelligent person who believed something that was incorrect?

actually, i believe that they are only "not that intelligent". I wouldnt consider myself as intelligent either. All i know is that there is always someone clever.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

Well, if the word "intelligent" is to have any meaning at all, I think it needs to apply to more than just the smartest person on earth . . .

 

[MobBoss]

intelligent. i recognize that it takes certain "breakthru" in the thought process to be able to attain enlightenment.

whereelse some "old", "religious" ppl think they are "wise", they never was.
To me, i think intelligent and religion are mutally exclusive, unless ur the type that leads(making use of religion) instead of follow like a sheep,

If intelligence and religion are mutually exclusive then how do you explain the huge amount of science done by extremely religious people all throughout history?

The answer is they are not mutually exclusive at all. You just prefer to see religious people as inferior because you dont like them.

 

[GenMarshall]

If intelligence and religion are mutually exclusive then how do you explain the huge amount of science done by extremely religious people all throughout history?

They just perfer to paint religious people in a negative light as dumb and non-intelligent people. Even though in history we have had very intelligent religious people in the field of science. Even Gregor Mendel pops into mind, a CATHOLIC MONK who made a pioneering steps in genetics with his bean garden!

 

[Tee Kay]

Intelligence for reasons other people already posted.

 

[Ramius75]

If intelligence and religion are mutually exclusive then how do you explain the huge amount of science done by extremely religious people all throughout history?

The answer is they are not mutually exclusive at all. You just prefer to see religious people as inferior because you dont like them.

they are clever in the sense that they can innovative either in Engineering or even theoretical science. But if they are really clever, they shouldn't bonded by the need of religion.

maybe some of them arent that "religious" after all? or some of them agnostic?
Or even Dethist. They are not sure but practice religion more for the sake of tradition than mere faith.

Im sorry if i offended anyone thou, but that just my Point of view.

 

[MobBoss]

they are clever in the sense that they can innovative either in Engineering or even theoretical science. But if they are really clever, they shouldn't bonded by the need of religion.

No...they were not merely 'clever', they have been some of the most intelligent people in history.

maybe some of them arent that "religious" after all? or some of them agnostic?
Or even Dethist. They are not sure but practice religion more for the sake of tradition than mere faith.

No, many of them were indeed deeply religious.

Im sorry if i offended anyone thou, but that just my Point of view.

Well, I am sorry if my facts render your point of view completely wrong.

 

[Perfection]

they are clever in the sense that they can innovative either in Engineering or even theoretical science. But if they are really clever, they shouldn't bonded by the need of religion.

Sorry, James Clerk Maxwell was really freakin' clever and was really religious. If he can't be called clever then your definition of clever is crap.

YOU FAIL.

 

[Ramius75]

No...they were not merely 'clever', they have been some of the most intelligent people in history.

No, many of them were indeed deeply religious.

Well, I am sorry if my facts render your point of view completely wrong.

Sorry, James Clerk Maxwell was really freakin' clever and was really religious. If he can't be called clever then your definition of clever is crap.

YOU FAIL.

I know, they are indeed clever than me and to many ppl too. But that only mean they are excellent in 1 field, but fail in others. Also, they maybe religious, but not to the point of fanatics fundermentalist or evangelist.

 

[Bill3000]

I know, they are indeed clever than me and to many ppl too. But that only mean they are excellent in 1 field, but fail in others. Also, they maybe religious, but not to the point of fanatics fundermentalist or evangelist.

A fundamentalist or evangelist is not even remotely close to the only form of a highly religious Christian. It's just the most infamous.

 

[Perfection]

I know, they are indeed clever than me and to many ppl too. But that only mean they are excellent in 1 field, but fail in others.

Maxwell was excellent in both mathematics and physics as well as being knowledgable about poetry. I'd put him up there with Einstien. He was that freakin' smart.

Also, they maybe religious, but not to the point of fanatics fundermentalist or evangelist.

You don't need to be an obnoxious jerk to be a devout Christian.

 

[Grisu]

Having both I would have to say I get far more milage out of wisdom than I do intelligence. Lack of intelligence can always be offset by perserverance, lack of wisdom means you are a fool no matter how smart you are.

maybe if you only look at it at one time. But a intelligent person can gain wisdom, but you can never gain intelligence. So I'd pick intelligence, it will allow me to pursue knowledge and wisdom more efficiently

 

[Truronian]

Intelligence... I find the skill points useful.

 

[cubsfan6506]

Hehe, I like that! If I ever get tired of being 'the prophet of logic' I will go with 'Mr. Humility'.

EDIT: Bamspeedy! Very, very nice!

Were you kidding earlier I hope so.

 

[Brighteye]

While I may not care for some of the religious things in the essay below, it brings up many good points.

http://www.hindubooks.org/the_good_life/intelligence_and_wisdom/page1.htm

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1. What are the differences between intelligence and wisdom?
Intelligence is about skill, technique and knows how, whereas wisdom is devoted to philosophy, ethics and spiritual cultivation.
The former concentrates on methodology, the latter on principle. Intelligence deals primarily with tangible, material things we see and touch whereas wisdom is related to such intangible subjects as courage, devotion, love, patience and the like.

from OED:
Wisdom: Capacity of judging rightly in matters relating to life and conduct; soundness of judgement in the choice of means and ends; sometimes, less strictly, sound sense, esp. in practical affairs
Intelligence: The faculty of understanding; intellect.
Understanding as a quality admitting of degree; spec. superior understanding; quickness of mental apprehension, sagacity.

So the religious article is wrong. Wisdom is a practical thing, whereas intelligence is overarching.
I would rather understand why a decision was the right one than simply be able to make the right decision. I choose intelligence.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

Intelligence... I find the skill points useful.

Me too. Even though my class depends more on divine magic than skill points anyways, but it is the principle of the thing.

 

[Ayatollah So]

On the other hand, intelligence is immutable,

I don't agree that intelligence is immutable. Intelligence is knowledge-dependent, and knowledge is highly mutable. I realize that some people try to define "intelligence" as knowledge-independent, but this is a mistake (i.e. it disagrees with common usage of the word "intelligence"). The common usage of "intelligence" is too tightly linked to problem-solving ability to allow stipulating, by definition, that intelligence is immutable, or is knowledge-independent.

Whew!