Wonder Elimination Thread

[Slvynn]

Alhambra 19
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 15
Chichen Itza 24
Eiffel Tower 28
Great Library 22
Great Mosque of Djenne 12
Hagia Sophia 21
Himeji Castle 21
Hanging Gardens 28
Hubble 30
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 25
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 18
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 33
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 26
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 26
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 10
Taj Mahal 5

 

[PhilBowles]

I don't knock your logic at all, but I'm gonna vote how I'm gonna vote. hahaha

Fair enough - given a tie between Wonders for gameplay or flavour reasons, I'll always vote for Petra above the competition because it's Petra. Granted I haven't visited every surviving Wonder depicted in the game (far from it), but it definitely beats any of others ones I have visited.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Fair enough - given a tie between Wonders for gameplay or flavour reasons, I'll always vote for Petra above the competition because it's Petra. Granted I haven't visited every surviving Wonder depicted in the game (far from it), but it definitely beats any of others ones I have visited.

Dude I'm so jealous right now. I'd die to go see Petra or any of the other surviving wonders.
Edit: Forgot to mention that part of the reason why I'm just voting what I like at this point is because, as you noted, all the 'bad' wonders are gone. Past those I don't have concrete strategies for how I'll will use a wonder or how I'm going to change my play style around them. I'm by no means a power player or any kind of micro manager.

I think this sums up my dimwitted playstyle:
If pressing a button doesn't either build something or blow something else up, I don't bother with it.

 

[PhilBowles]

Dude I'm so jealous right now. I'd die to go see Petra or any of the other surviving wonders.

Depending on where you are, some are likely to be accessible (Stonehenge and Big Ben in the UK, for instance - while I currently live next door to the Pentagon). And from the UK Jordan's pretty cheap - a friend flew to visit me there this year precisely because Petra was on the itinerary, and he's a perpetual student with no money. Egypt's cheaper still and the Pyramids don't even have an entry fee (or any need to travel a long distance from the closest airport).

Incidentally, that same friend has a mission to visit all the surviving Wonders from the Civ games - I did point out to him when G&K came out that Hubble might present logistical difficulties in that regard.

 

[Tabarnak]

Bear in mind that most of the generally bad Wonders have now gone. Decisions now have to be made on the basis of other considerations, such as efficiency. Golden Ages are undeniably valuable, but is one really worth Taj Mahal's construction cost in the mid-game? Longer-term investments like Notre Dame that give you natural golden ages more often will probably usually be better, or even science-rushing to artist specialist techs to maximise GA points?

Pyramids is a Wonder very specifically designed for tall play - it duplicates (with an extra Worker) the effect of the Liberty 'free Worker' policy, which is the one Liberty policy a tall empire going for Tradition would otherwise miss.

On the other hand if you want four workers, and Pyramids costs the same as two, why not just build it instead of two Workers in your most productive city?

Taj>ND

I always find a way to get Taj. ND doesn't give you more natural ga. The overall happiness(religion, wonders, ressources, cs) income will give you more nat. gas. ND is only a little part of all this.

I'm not even talking about Liberty...the time taken to build Pyramids is superior than getting 2 extra workers by yourself. The thing is that Pyramids aren't always the best solution to get 2 more workers. This wonder is best suited for semi-isolated starts imo.

 

[Zwierzor]

Alhambra 19
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 15
Chichen Itza 24
Eiffel Tower 28
Great Library 22
Great Mosque of Djenne 12
Great Wall 0+1= 1
Hagia Sophia 21
Himeji Castle 21
Hanging Gardens 28
Hubble 30
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 25
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 18
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 33
Petra 27
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 26
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 25
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 10
Taj Mahal 5-1 = 4


This thread and voting system managed to annoy me a little, so congratulations OP.

While my favorite wonders are Stonehenge and Himeji, i cannot make you take Great Wall, which is, in my opinion, very good wonder. It saved my hide numerous of times when i play peacefully, it works great when im a warmonger(especially when i weasel capital city and beat armies, while sparing rest of the cities...for fun. Anyone else doing that?). Also, i managed to actually lose a war with much weaker civ once - they built GW and kept skirmishing my janissaries with crossbowmen. Stepping back and shot each turn, i managed to become outsmarted by AI.

I downvoted Taj Mahal. While i have nothing against that wonder staying in a game, its bonus should either be replaced for obvious reasons, or buffed up.

By the way, why are ancient wonders excluded from the list?

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Alhambra 19
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 15
Chichen Itza 24
Eiffel Tower 28
Great Library 22
Great Mosque of Djenne 12
Great Wall 0+1= 1
Hagia Sophia 21
Himeji Castle 21
Hanging Gardens 28
Hubble 30
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 25
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 18
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 33
Petra 27
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 26
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 25
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 10
Taj Mahal 5-1 = 4


This thread and voting system managed to annoy me a little, so congratulations OP.

While my favorite wonders are Stonehenge and Himeji, i cannot make you take Great Wall, which is, in my opinion, very good wonder. It saved my hide numerous of times when i play peacefully, it works great when im a warmonger(especially when i weasel capital city and beat armies, while sparing rest of the cities...for fun. Anyone else doing that?). Also, i managed to actually lose a war with much weaker civ once - they built GW and kept skirmishing my janissaries with crossbowmen. Stepping back and shot each turn, i managed to become outsmarted by AI.

I downvoted Taj Mahal. While i have nothing against that wonder staying in a game, its bonus should either be replaced for obvious reasons, or buffed up.

By the way, why are ancient wonders excluded from the list?

You can't revived dead Wonders. When you downvote, you subtract 2, when you upvote, you add one. Edit your vote to reflect this please. If this also annoys you, don't vote, mmkay?

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Depending on where you are, some are likely to be accessible (Stonehenge and Big Ben in the UK, for instance - while I currently live next door to the Pentagon). And from the UK Jordan's pretty cheap - a friend flew to visit me there this year precisely because Petra was on the itinerary, and he's a perpetual student with no money. Egypt's cheaper still and the Pyramids don't even have an entry fee (or any need to travel a long distance from the closest airport).

Incidentally, that same friend has a mission to visit all the surviving Wonders from the Civ games - I did point out to him when G&K came out that Hubble might present logistical difficulties in that regard.

I live near none of them and I'm a full time student with part time job with a wife that's a new school teacher. So I won't be traveling anytime soon - didn't even get a honeymoon.

Who knows about the Hubble though....eventually they'll decommission it and in a few years if you're rich enough you might pay Virgin Galactic or SpaceX or Blue Origin to take you up for a visit

 

[ShahJahanII]

Alhambra 19
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 15
Chichen Itza 24
Eiffel Tower 28
Great Library 22
Great Mosque of Djenne 10
Hagia Sophia 21
Himeji Castle 21
Hanging Gardens 28
Hubble 30
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 25
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 18
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 34
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 26
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 26
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 10
Taj Mahal 5

There aren't a whole lot of scenarios where the Great Mosque is worth building in my opinion. I voted the Oracle for obvious reasons.

 

[Hammer Rabbi]

edited: removed for updating my post at the end to not complicate things. i see how it is supposed to be done now and adjusted for it.

 

[ShahJahanII]

i copied from Tabarnak's list. not sure if im supposed to adjust each one for the value i like or not.

Alhambra 21
Big Ben 22
Brandenburg Gate 20
Chichen Itza 21
CN Tower 16
Colossus 18
Cristo Redentor 20
Eiffeltower 21
Forbidden Palace 20
Great Firewall 17
Great Library 21
Great Lighthouse 20
Great Mosque of Djenne 20
Great Wall 11
Hagia Sophia 15
Himeji Castle 20
Hanging Gardens 22
Hubble 22
Kremlin 18
Leaning Tower of Pisa 21
Louvre 21
Machu Picchu 20
Neuschwanstein Castle 19
Notre Dame 20
Oracle 22
Pentagon 16
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 22
Sistine Chapel 20
Statue of Liberty 21
Stonehenge 23
Sydney Opera House 20
Taj Mahal 21
Terracotta Army 14

i pretty much never go for Hagia now that its only a Gr. Prophet. it is still valuable but so limited compared to vanilla that i never get it. LtoP made up for it at an appropriate tech time. And Petra made desert starts much more fun now. So many less re-rolls because of it.

Ankor Wat was always meh but im not surprised it is so well covered. it is just useless all the time.

I copied from Slvynn's. Not sure why you went all the way back to Tabarnak...

 

[Tabarnak]

ShahJahan2's list is the official one right now. Plz start from this one. Other votes are screwed(Zwierzor doesn't seem to understand the rules and Hammer Rabbi picked a very ancient list ).

 

[Hammer Rabbi]

wow, yikes. i didnt even see 8 pages here. that's why. i went from his on the bottom of the first page. my bad. if it is so out of date just delete my post or request to me that i do that.

edit: fixed, temporarily ...

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Zweizor - fix your votes please. Everyone ignore his votes till they are fixed or the thread is screwed.

 

[nefloyd]

It's gonna take a while to reach the last wonder if we have 10 wonders with 50 or so points each and people are competing to raise one and down another while someone else does the reverse. You might wanna consider increasing the downvote amount to -3 or -4 once we're down to a certain number of wonders left, unless you really want 500 or so more votes of course, people are already failing left and right at doing it correctly

 

[DeathFace]

Alhambra 19
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 15
Chichen Itza 24
Eiffel Tower 28
Great Library 22
Great Mosque of Djenne 8 (-2)
Hagia Sophia 21
Himeji Castle 21
Hanging Gardens 28
Hubble 30
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 25
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 19 (+1)
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 34
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 26
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 26
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 10
Taj Mahal 5

Again, Neuschwanstein Castle is great for puppet cities. They build castle which pay for some of the maintainence from some of their buildings and the happiness helps counteract the unhappiness from the puppet.

GMOD's free mosque is nice and so is the extra faith, but after I finish enhancing my religion and faith buying buying my religious buildings I'll usually spend my faith on Great Merchants or Scientists and if I want to actively spread I'll buy a Great Prophet since they tend to be cheaper or around the same price at the time. So I tend to not get to use the main ability. I also find the Hagia Sophia which also comes with theology to be much more useful.

 

[Daranix]

Alhambra 19
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 15
Chichen Itza 24
Eiffel Tower 28
Great Library 22
Great Mosque of Djenne 8
Hagia Sophia 21
Himeji Castle 21
Hanging Gardens 28
Hubble 30
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 25
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 19
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 34
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 27
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 26
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 8
Taj Mahal 5

+1 to the Pyramids, a useful wonder for almost every victory condition and one of the few early wonders the AI seems to ignore.

-2 to the Sydney Opera House, for non-cultural games it's basically a win-more wonder and any culture game should been building the Utopia Project by the time you tech to it.

 

[draaibaar]

It's gonna take a while to reach the last wonder if we have 10 wonders with 50 or so points each and people are competing to raise one and down another while someone else does the reverse. You might wanna consider increasing the downvote amount to -3 or -4 once we're down to a certain number of wonders left, unless you really want 500 or so more votes of course, people are already failing left and right at doing it correctly

With 36 wonders who got 20 points you have a total of 720 points. Every vote brings it down with 1 so we need near 720 votes.

 

[nefloyd]

With 36 wonders who got 20 points you have a total of 720 points. Every vote brings it down with 1 so we need near 720 votes.

I said 500 more not 500 total. As of the previous post I count 550 points still in play. I also counted the wonders listed in the first post twice over and only saw 35 wonders there. Not checking a 3rd time!

It's still a lot of votes. Also, anytime someone kicks one of the wonders off the list when it was at 1 point remaining doesn't reduce the number of votes still needed since they are doing a +1 -1

Just saying, the votes should perhaps be weighted more heavily when we are down to like, 15 remaining, 10 remaining, 5 remaining. It's not much of an effect now when lots of people are voting down the same wonders to kick them off the list while different ones are voting up - but are we really gonna want 50 votes to knock out the wonders later when loads of people are voting up and down on the same wonders?

 

[melgs]

Alhambra 19
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 15
Chichen Itza 24
Eiffel Tower 28
Great Library 22
Great Mosque of Djenne 8
Hagia Sophia 21
Himeji Castle 21
Hanging Gardens 29
Hubble 30
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 25
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 19
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 34
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 27
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 26
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 6
Taj Mahal 5

Not adding much here. Hanging Gardens for the reasons stated, gotta love the food, Sydney for the reasons stated, just comes too late.