Hanging Gardens wasn't in the list, I added it right now. ;-) And it is a -2 +1 vote. In the last elimination thread the votes were changed to -3 and +1 to come to an end. I'd like to change to that, when there are only 20 wonders left. I just did't want to have a wonder knocked out with just 7 votes against at the beginning, before those who like to join the thread had a realistic chance to vote.
Wonder Elimination Thread
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Hanging Gardens wasn't in the list, I added it right now. ;-) And it is a -2 +1 vote. In the last elimination thread the votes were changed to -3 and +1 to come to an end. I'd like to change to that, when there are only 20 wonders left. I just did't want to have a wonder knocked out with just 7 votes against at the beginning, before those who like to join the thread had a realistic chance to vote.
Alhambra 19
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 15
Chichen Itza 24
Eiffel Tower 28
Great Library 22
Great Mosque of Djenne 8
Hagia Sophia 21
Himeji Castle 19
Hanging Gardens 30
Hubble 30
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 25
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 19
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 34
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 27
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 26
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 6
Taj Mahal 5
HG are great: I comes early so it has a big effect, and it boost your production.
HC well I hardly ever build defensive buildings, maybe I should play on higher difficulties.
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 15
Chichen Itza 24
Eiffel Tower 28
Great Library 22
Great Mosque of Djenne 8
Hagia Sophia 21
Himeji Castle 19
Hanging Gardens 30
Hubble 30
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 25
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 19
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 34
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 27
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 26
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 6
Taj Mahal 5
HG are great: I comes early so it has a big effect, and it boost your production.
HC well I hardly ever build defensive buildings, maybe I should play on higher difficulties.
Alhambra 19
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 15
Chichen Itza 24
Eiffel Tower 28
Great Library 22
Great Mosque of Djenne 6 (-2)
Hagia Sophia 21
Himeji Castle 19
Hanging Gardens 30
Hubble 30
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 26 (+1)
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 19
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 34
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 27
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 26
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 6
Taj Mahal 5
I love Le Louvre because of the 16 to 32 turn golden age induced, which can amount to a crazy sum of gold and production.
Great Mosque, nothing personnal, you're good but not as good as the other. You gotta go!
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 15
Chichen Itza 24
Eiffel Tower 28
Great Library 22
Great Mosque of Djenne 6 (-2)
Hagia Sophia 21
Himeji Castle 19
Hanging Gardens 30
Hubble 30
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 26 (+1)
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 19
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 34
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 27
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 26
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 6
Taj Mahal 5
I love Le Louvre because of the 16 to 32 turn golden age induced, which can amount to a crazy sum of gold and production.
Great Mosque, nothing personnal, you're good but not as good as the other. You gotta go!
PhilBowles
Deity
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Alhambra 19
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 15
Chichen Itza 24
Eiffel Tower 28
Great Library 22
Great Mosque of Djenne 9
Hagia Sophia 19
Himeji Castle 19
Hanging Gardens 30
Hubble 30
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 25
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 19
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 34
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 27
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 26
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 6
Taj Mahal 5
Repeating my Theology Wonder vote from earlier. I do occasionally build HS (something I can't say of Himeji Castle), but the sheer disparity between the two Theology Wonders is unjustified, and likely would be even if it didn't favour the weaker of the two. A Great Prophet really isn't that big a bonus; if you aren't producing enough faith to get a second one at much the same time this Wonder would normally pop, you don't need quick religion anyway. If you're enhancing one right after founding it, you don't have any faith left over to spread it immediately or buy faith buildings etc., so you gain very little from rushing the enhancement (I have almost never had any problem selecting the beliefs I want, even when I get late religion. The AI for some reason prioritises the happiness effects it rarely if ever needs, and for a couple of civs the rather minor culture effects, and so beliefs like Tithe, Holy Warriors, Interfaith Dialogue etc. tend to stick around, as do one or two of the faith building beliefs). Yes, it looks cool to found and then immediately enhance a religion, but it doesn't do anything that substantively improves your game position.
Yes, the Great Mosque is quite specific to particular strategies, but even given two Wonders with what might be considered disposable basic abilities, it is the superior one in terms of its production, and the fact that it produces important early GE points. And whether you use those strategies or not, the effects of the Great Mosque are undeniably noticeable for players who do - something not true of HS.
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 15
Chichen Itza 24
Eiffel Tower 28
Great Library 22
Great Mosque of Djenne 9
Hagia Sophia 19
Himeji Castle 19
Hanging Gardens 30
Hubble 30
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 25
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 19
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 34
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 27
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 26
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 6
Taj Mahal 5
Repeating my Theology Wonder vote from earlier. I do occasionally build HS (something I can't say of Himeji Castle), but the sheer disparity between the two Theology Wonders is unjustified, and likely would be even if it didn't favour the weaker of the two. A Great Prophet really isn't that big a bonus; if you aren't producing enough faith to get a second one at much the same time this Wonder would normally pop, you don't need quick religion anyway. If you're enhancing one right after founding it, you don't have any faith left over to spread it immediately or buy faith buildings etc., so you gain very little from rushing the enhancement (I have almost never had any problem selecting the beliefs I want, even when I get late religion. The AI for some reason prioritises the happiness effects it rarely if ever needs, and for a couple of civs the rather minor culture effects, and so beliefs like Tithe, Holy Warriors, Interfaith Dialogue etc. tend to stick around, as do one or two of the faith building beliefs). Yes, it looks cool to found and then immediately enhance a religion, but it doesn't do anything that substantively improves your game position.
Yes, the Great Mosque is quite specific to particular strategies, but even given two Wonders with what might be considered disposable basic abilities, it is the superior one in terms of its production, and the fact that it produces important early GE points. And whether you use those strategies or not, the effects of the Great Mosque are undeniably noticeable for players who do - something not true of HS.
PlasticSoldier
Chieftain
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Alhambra 19
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 15
Chichen Itza 24
Eiffel Tower 29 (+1)
Great Library 22
Great Mosque of Djenne 9
Hagia Sophia 19
Himeji Castle 19
Hanging Gardens 30
Hubble 30
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 26
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 19
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 34
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 27
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 26
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 6
Taj Mahal 3 (-2)
Taj Mahal - Isn't worth the hammers for one golden age.
Eiffel Tower - Happiness bonus is helpful, as it comes at a point where my happiness would be quite poor
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 15
Chichen Itza 24
Eiffel Tower 29 (+1)
Great Library 22
Great Mosque of Djenne 9
Hagia Sophia 19
Himeji Castle 19
Hanging Gardens 30
Hubble 30
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 26
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 19
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 34
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 27
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 26
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 6
Taj Mahal 3 (-2)
Taj Mahal - Isn't worth the hammers for one golden age.
Eiffel Tower - Happiness bonus is helpful, as it comes at a point where my happiness would be quite poor
Alhambra 19
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 15
Chichen Itza 24
Eiffel Tower 29
Great Library 22
Great Mosque of Djenne 7 (-2)
Hagia Sophia 19
Himeji Castle 19
Hanging Gardens 30
Hubble 30
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 26
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 19
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 34
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 27
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 27 (+1)
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 6
Taj Mahal 3
Piling on the hate for GmoD. That wonder holds no interest to me at the period in which it becomes available.
Still love the SoL. I tend to rage on any civ that snipes the SoL out from under me.
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 15
Chichen Itza 24
Eiffel Tower 29
Great Library 22
Great Mosque of Djenne 7 (-2)
Hagia Sophia 19
Himeji Castle 19
Hanging Gardens 30
Hubble 30
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 26
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 19
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 34
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 27
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 27 (+1)
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 6
Taj Mahal 3
Piling on the hate for GmoD. That wonder holds no interest to me at the period in which it becomes available.
Still love the SoL. I tend to rage on any civ that snipes the SoL out from under me.
Gucumatz
JS, secretly Rod Serling
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Alhambra 19
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 16 (+1) Brandenburg Gate is fun for tall empires. Pick a military/production heavy (preferably port city) build all the other experience buildings and wa-laa have 3 promotions for every unit. Very powerful for ships - giving frigates an instant extra range/indirect fire. And going with a tall empire you can wait for a late game kick to rush ships. Once you get battleships - its all over. The extra range carries over to battleships now and with a 4 range thrice promoted ship - any semi inland city is well open for siege. And going for airpower once available to you makes sense as well. Planes that auto heal right as soon as they are built? Yes please. Extra gen has its uses too
Chichen Itza 24
Eiffel Tower 29
Great Library 22
Great Mosque of Djenne 7
Hagia Sophia 19
Himeji Castle 19
Hanging Gardens 30
Hubble 30
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 26
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 17 (-2) Can't dislike this wonder in game enough [Even though In real life its one of the few I have seen Ironically. But unlike other Bavarian castles - it looks better on the outside on paper rather than from the inside/cost to build it - just like IRL)
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 34
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 27
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 27
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 6
Taj Mahal 3
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 16 (+1) Brandenburg Gate is fun for tall empires. Pick a military/production heavy (preferably port city) build all the other experience buildings and wa-laa have 3 promotions for every unit. Very powerful for ships - giving frigates an instant extra range/indirect fire. And going with a tall empire you can wait for a late game kick to rush ships. Once you get battleships - its all over. The extra range carries over to battleships now and with a 4 range thrice promoted ship - any semi inland city is well open for siege. And going for airpower once available to you makes sense as well. Planes that auto heal right as soon as they are built? Yes please. Extra gen has its uses too
Chichen Itza 24
Eiffel Tower 29
Great Library 22
Great Mosque of Djenne 7
Hagia Sophia 19
Himeji Castle 19
Hanging Gardens 30
Hubble 30
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 26
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 17 (-2) Can't dislike this wonder in game enough [Even though In real life its one of the few I have seen Ironically. But unlike other Bavarian castles - it looks better on the outside on paper rather than from the inside/cost to build it - just like IRL)
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 34
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 27
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 27
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 6
Taj Mahal 3
Alhambra 19
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 16
Chichen Itza 24
Eiffel Tower 29
Great Library 22
Great Mosque of Djenne 7
Hagia Sophia 19
Himeji Castle 19
Hanging Gardens 31 +1
Love this wonder and sulk if I don't get it, almost every game I try and get it regardless of win condition. If you have built this you have the freedom to concentrate on production over food, or you can grow the city rapidly to increase gold & science. If you like wonders this is THE wonder to build.
Hubble 30
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 26
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 17
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 34
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 27
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 27
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 6
Taj Mahal 1 -2
Compared to the Louvre which is great since G&K, the Taj is an okay but not great wonder, the remainder of this list all have great uses. If I was playing Perisa this would be built though.
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 16
Chichen Itza 24
Eiffel Tower 29
Great Library 22
Great Mosque of Djenne 7
Hagia Sophia 19
Himeji Castle 19
Hanging Gardens 31 +1
Love this wonder and sulk if I don't get it, almost every game I try and get it regardless of win condition. If you have built this you have the freedom to concentrate on production over food, or you can grow the city rapidly to increase gold & science. If you like wonders this is THE wonder to build.
Hubble 30
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 26
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 17
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 34
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 27
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 27
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 6
Taj Mahal 1 -2
Compared to the Louvre which is great since G&K, the Taj is an okay but not great wonder, the remainder of this list all have great uses. If I was playing Perisa this would be built though.
black213
Emperor
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Alhambra 19
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 16
Chichen Itza 24
Eiffel Tower 29
Great Library 22
Great Mosque of Djenne 7
Hagia Sophia 19
Himeji Castle 19
Hanging Gardens 31
Hubble 30
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 26
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 17
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 34
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 25 (-2)
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 27
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 6
Taj Mahal 2 (+1)
Gotta save Taj Mahal, it's pretty useful in combination with Chichen Itza and as Persia.
Hate the pyramids, I for some reason don't want more workers ruining my GPT (and one worker is just enough in the early game)
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 16
Chichen Itza 24
Eiffel Tower 29
Great Library 22
Great Mosque of Djenne 7
Hagia Sophia 19
Himeji Castle 19
Hanging Gardens 31
Hubble 30
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 26
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 17
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 34
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 25 (-2)
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 27
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 6
Taj Mahal 2 (+1)
Gotta save Taj Mahal, it's pretty useful in combination with Chichen Itza and as Persia.
Hate the pyramids, I for some reason don't want more workers ruining my GPT (and one worker is just enough in the early game)
Alhambra 19
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 16
Chichen Itza 24
Eiffel Tower 29
Great Library 22
Great Mosque of Djenne 7
Hagia Sophia 19
Himeji Castle 19
Hanging Gardens 31
Hubble 31 (+1)
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 26
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 17
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 34
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 23 (-2)
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 27
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 6
Taj Mahal 2
The Hubble is just great for science VC, the 2 GS you get are very handy for getting your last techs for the SS.
The Pyramids always go very quickly, so I never get to build it. There are better ways to get workers.
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 16
Chichen Itza 24
Eiffel Tower 29
Great Library 22
Great Mosque of Djenne 7
Hagia Sophia 19
Himeji Castle 19
Hanging Gardens 31
Hubble 31 (+1)
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 26
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 17
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 34
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 23 (-2)
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 27
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 6
Taj Mahal 2
The Hubble is just great for science VC, the 2 GS you get are very handy for getting your last techs for the SS.
The Pyramids always go very quickly, so I never get to build it. There are better ways to get workers.
hobbsyoyo
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Alhambra 19
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 16
Chichen Itza 24
Eiffel Tower 29
Great Library 22
Great Mosque of Djenne 5
Hagia Sophia 19
Himeji Castle 19
Hanging Gardens 31
Hubble 30
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 26
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 17
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 34
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 25
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 27
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 6
Taj Mahal 2
*corrections*
PhilBowles missed the vote before him. I haven't checked from before this page, are the results valid with this correction?
How to vote:
Copy the list from the latest post and give the wonder you like +1 point - and mark green, the wonder you dislike most -2 and mark red . Please give reasons and please vote only once within 24 hours.
A wonder that hits 0 points or below is elimminated and please deleate it from the list you copy.
ALL CORRECTIONS SHOULD BE MADE IN BLUE FONT AND LABELED AS CORRECTIONS. IF YOU ARE CORRECTING AND UP/DOWN VOTING, THEN USE THE RED OR GREEN COLOR AND SAY YOU VOTED AND CORRECTED
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 16
Chichen Itza 24
Eiffel Tower 29
Great Library 22
Great Mosque of Djenne 5
Hagia Sophia 19
Himeji Castle 19
Hanging Gardens 31
Hubble 30
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 26
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 17
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 34
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 25
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 27
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 6
Taj Mahal 2
*corrections*
PhilBowles missed the vote before him. I haven't checked from before this page, are the results valid with this correction?
How to vote:
Copy the list from the latest post and give the wonder you like +1 point - and mark green, the wonder you dislike most -2 and mark red . Please give reasons and please vote only once within 24 hours.
A wonder that hits 0 points or below is elimminated and please deleate it from the list you copy.
ALL CORRECTIONS SHOULD BE MADE IN BLUE FONT AND LABELED AS CORRECTIONS. IF YOU ARE CORRECTING AND UP/DOWN VOTING, THEN USE THE RED OR GREEN COLOR AND SAY YOU VOTED AND CORRECTED
hobbsyoyo
Deity
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Alhambra 19
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 16
Chichen Itza 24
Eiffel Tower 29
Great Library 22
Great Mosque of Djenne 5
Hagia Sophia 19
Himeji Castle 19
Hanging Gardens 31
Hubble 31 (+1)
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 26
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 17
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 34
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 25
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 27
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 6
Taj Mahal 0 (-2)
I upvoted Hubble because it's my fav, downvoted the Taj Mahal because it isn't worthwhile unless stacked with other wonders.
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 16
Chichen Itza 24
Eiffel Tower 29
Great Library 22
Great Mosque of Djenne 5
Hagia Sophia 19
Himeji Castle 19
Hanging Gardens 31
Hubble 31 (+1)
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 26
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 17
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 34
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 25
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 27
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 6
Taj Mahal 0 (-2)
I upvoted Hubble because it's my fav, downvoted the Taj Mahal because it isn't worthwhile unless stacked with other wonders.
They should add CERN to the game! Another modern wonder.
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Tachii
Procrastinator
Alhambra 19
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 16
Chichen Itza 24
Eiffel Tower 29
Great Library 20 (-2)
Great Mosque of Djenne 5
Hagia Sophia 19
Himeji Castle 19
Hanging Gardens 31
Hubble 31
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 26
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 17
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 34
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 24 (+1)
Pyramids 25
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 27
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 6
Other than the fact that the GL is almost impossible to build on Immortal+, I find myself no problem keeping up with tech as long as I build the library after 4pop. It just looks awesome as you managed to take a tech that takes like 20+ turns to do but in the long run you save like maybe 4-5 turns by the end game. The only advantage is probably rushing toward Education faster, which can save a bit more turns, but since I don't play below Immortal, and GL often get made between T30-40, I consider it a no wonder, just because of how ridiculous high priority it is to the AI.
Props to PT for a great science and 50% RA. Just having 2-3 RAs will make you surpass everybody in tech or keep up with tech if you're going for culture.
I'm also quite unsure why someone said The Pyramids have high priority. It has one of the lowest priorities for an Ancient/Classical wonder, probably even lower than Helicarnassus since you're always likely to get a civ with 2+ quarries near them. I have build it on many occasions around T60-70.
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 16
Chichen Itza 24
Eiffel Tower 29
Great Library 20 (-2)
Great Mosque of Djenne 5
Hagia Sophia 19
Himeji Castle 19
Hanging Gardens 31
Hubble 31
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 26
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 17
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 34
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 24 (+1)
Pyramids 25
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 27
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 6
Other than the fact that the GL is almost impossible to build on Immortal+, I find myself no problem keeping up with tech as long as I build the library after 4pop. It just looks awesome as you managed to take a tech that takes like 20+ turns to do but in the long run you save like maybe 4-5 turns by the end game. The only advantage is probably rushing toward Education faster, which can save a bit more turns, but since I don't play below Immortal, and GL often get made between T30-40, I consider it a no wonder, just because of how ridiculous high priority it is to the AI.
Props to PT for a great science and 50% RA. Just having 2-3 RAs will make you surpass everybody in tech or keep up with tech if you're going for culture.
I'm also quite unsure why someone said The Pyramids have high priority. It has one of the lowest priorities for an Ancient/Classical wonder, probably even lower than Helicarnassus since you're always likely to get a civ with 2+ quarries near them. I have build it on many occasions around T60-70.
Light Cleric
ElCee/LC/El Cid
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- Messages
- 3,225
Alhambra 19
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 16
Chichen Itza 24
Eiffel Tower 29
Great Library 22
Great Mosque of Djenne 5
Hagia Sophia 19
Himeji Castle 19
Hanging Gardens 31
Hubble 32 (+1)
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 26
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 17
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 34
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 23(-2)
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 27
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 6
The thing with the Pyramids is you can hard-build two workers faster than you can build The Pyramids and still have hammers left over. That extra worker speed bonus is okay, but is it really worth the risk of bombing your early game if you get beat to it? I guess the one GE point could come into play but you may have gotten another Great Person by then, especially if you don't combine it with a Workshop specialist.
Hubble is just amazing because two Great Scientists helps almost any victory type, but it can just be a real clincher if you're going for Space. Amazing wonder.
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 16
Chichen Itza 24
Eiffel Tower 29
Great Library 22
Great Mosque of Djenne 5
Hagia Sophia 19
Himeji Castle 19
Hanging Gardens 31
Hubble 32 (+1)
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 26
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 17
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 34
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 23(-2)
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 27
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 6
The thing with the Pyramids is you can hard-build two workers faster than you can build The Pyramids and still have hammers left over. That extra worker speed bonus is okay, but is it really worth the risk of bombing your early game if you get beat to it? I guess the one GE point could come into play but you may have gotten another Great Person by then, especially if you don't combine it with a Workshop specialist.
Hubble is just amazing because two Great Scientists helps almost any victory type, but it can just be a real clincher if you're going for Space. Amazing wonder.
Alhambra 19
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 16
Chichen Itza 24
Eiffel Tower 29
Great Library 23 This wonder is hard to get but the free tech is amazing. use it to bulb an expensi tech like IW
Great Mosque of Djenne 5
Hagia Sophia 19
Himeji Castle 19
Hanging Gardens 31
Hubble 32
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 26
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 17
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 34
Petra 23 too situational, but a good wonder with 2% of starts.
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 23
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 27
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 6
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 16
Chichen Itza 24
Eiffel Tower 29
Great Library 23 This wonder is hard to get but the free tech is amazing. use it to bulb an expensi tech like IW
Great Mosque of Djenne 5
Hagia Sophia 19
Himeji Castle 19
Hanging Gardens 31
Hubble 32
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 26
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 17
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 34
Petra 23 too situational, but a good wonder with 2% of starts.
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 23
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 27
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 6
bcaiko
Emperor
Alhambra 19
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 17 (+1)
Chichen Itza 24
Eiffel Tower 29
Great Library 23
Great Mosque of Djenne 5
Hagia Sophia 19
Himeji Castle 19
Hanging Gardens 31
Hubble 32
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 26
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 17
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 34
Petra 23
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 21 (-2)
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 27
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 6
Brandenburg Gate is a mid and late game warmonger's dream. With it any melee units coming out of that city instantly have the siege promotion. Minutemen from America will have four promotions once they're popped out. The free Great General for some instant land grab (shoring up your infrastructure) and the Great People points are pure icing.
I agree with the previous poster on the Pyramids. The worker bonus is nice in really wide empires, but even then it might just be better to hard build the workers. The reward doesn't outweigh the costs and risk.
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 17 (+1)
Chichen Itza 24
Eiffel Tower 29
Great Library 23
Great Mosque of Djenne 5
Hagia Sophia 19
Himeji Castle 19
Hanging Gardens 31
Hubble 32
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 26
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 17
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 34
Petra 23
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 21 (-2)
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 27
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 6
Brandenburg Gate is a mid and late game warmonger's dream. With it any melee units coming out of that city instantly have the siege promotion. Minutemen from America will have four promotions once they're popped out. The free Great General for some instant land grab (shoring up your infrastructure) and the Great People points are pure icing.
I agree with the previous poster on the Pyramids. The worker bonus is nice in really wide empires, but even then it might just be better to hard build the workers. The reward doesn't outweigh the costs and risk.
black_kitten
Chieftain
Alhambra 19
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 17
Chichen Itza 24
Eiffel Tower 29
Great Library 21
Great Mosque of Djenne 5
Hagia Sophia 19
Himeji Castle 17
Hanging Gardens 31
Hubble 32
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 26
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 17
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 34
Petra 23
Porcelain Tower 24
Pyramids 21
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 27
Stonehenge 23
Sydney Opera House 6
I never even tried to get Himeji Castle - I guess it is not bad in itself, but I prefer wonders that give a benefit that opens up choices or possibilities instead of reducing the impact of negative events.
I feel Stonehenge is really important to have a chance to found a religion with a civ that gets no bonuses on faith.
Corrections in blue were made to include changes by Tachii that were skipped by the following posters.
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 17
Chichen Itza 24
Eiffel Tower 29
Great Library 21
Great Mosque of Djenne 5
Hagia Sophia 19
Himeji Castle 17
Hanging Gardens 31
Hubble 32
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 26
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 17
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 34
Petra 23
Porcelain Tower 24
Pyramids 21
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 27
Stonehenge 23
Sydney Opera House 6
I never even tried to get Himeji Castle - I guess it is not bad in itself, but I prefer wonders that give a benefit that opens up choices or possibilities instead of reducing the impact of negative events.
I feel Stonehenge is really important to have a chance to found a religion with a civ that gets no bonuses on faith.
Corrections in blue were made to include changes by Tachii that were skipped by the following posters.
Alhambra 19
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 18
Chichen Itza 24
Eiffel Tower 27
Great Library 21
Great Mosque of Djenne 5
Hagia Sophia 19
Himeji Castle 17
Hanging Gardens 31
Hubble 32
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 26
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 17
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 34
Petra 23
Porcelain Tower 24
Pyramids 21
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 27
Stonehenge 23
Sydney Opera House 6
Brandenburg : deserves some love. A lot easier to secure than Alhambra, I can always use another GG for land theft, and every bit of extra XP tacked onto my bombers means they can get repair + logistics that much quicker
Eiffel : it's just a load of happiness. Usually if I ever build it, I never needed to.
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 18
Chichen Itza 24
Eiffel Tower 27
Great Library 21
Great Mosque of Djenne 5
Hagia Sophia 19
Himeji Castle 17
Hanging Gardens 31
Hubble 32
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 26
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 17
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 34
Petra 23
Porcelain Tower 24
Pyramids 21
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 27
Stonehenge 23
Sydney Opera House 6
Brandenburg : deserves some love. A lot easier to secure than Alhambra, I can always use another GG for land theft, and every bit of extra XP tacked onto my bombers means they can get repair + logistics that much quicker
Eiffel : it's just a load of happiness. Usually if I ever build it, I never needed to.
