Wonder Elimination Thread

[kuukeri]

This is getting interesting. As the list gets shorter the discussion heats up!! BRING IT ON!

 

[DeathFace]

Chichen Itza 24
Hanging Gardens 27
Leaning Tower of Pisa 28
Machu Picchu 18
Neuschwanstein Castle 11
Notre Dame 26
Oracle 16
Petra 22
Porcelain Tower 12

The Leaning Tower is a must build for me.
I don't find the HG very useful.

 

[OmniPotent42]

Chichen Itza 24
Hanging Gardens 27
Leaning Tower of Pisa 28
Machu Picchu 18
Neuschwanstein Castle 8
Notre Dame 26
Oracle 17
Petra 22
Porcelain Tower 12

Oracle, stay in there!!!
I think I built Neuschwanstein Castle once, and that was because my 3rd city had nothing else to build. By the time you have access to this wonder, Castles are pretty much outdated, making it not very useful unless ALL of your cities need defending due to poor city placement. Very quirky wonder, if you ask me. Don't you also need to be within 2 tiles of a mountain? Something like that.

 

[Buccaneer]

Chichen Itza 24
Hanging Gardens 27
Leaning Tower of Pisa 28
Machu Picchu 18
Neuschwanstein Castle 5
Notre Dame 26
Oracle 18
Petra 22
Porcelain Tower 12


I agree with Omni that castles are not a big deal when Neusch comes. Oracle can make a good difference in non-cultural games when going for only a handful of key SP.

 

[Dogmouth]

I think the Neusch has had a good run, so I don't mind if it dies. On the other hand, if you ask me, people are thinking about it in the wrong way. I hear a lot of people saying "I don't build castles, so it's not worth it," or some variation of that line. Forget about the word "castle." Imagine that there was a wonder that gave you +6 gold, +4 culture, +2 happiness and access to a unique building that is +1 happiness, +3 gold, +2 culture, and bonus defense/city hp with no maintenence and the bargain price of 160 hammers. The point is that the Neusch makes castles worth it; it doesn't really matter whether you generally build castles. Forget about your old notions of a "castle."

 

[Tabarnak]

NC isn't bad, but all others from the actual list are better imo. The main reason is the late appearance of this wonder. At that point, this wonder can only raise your stats by <1 %. Is this really worth it? Is this really worth to build so much castles just for these little boosts? You rarely need everything at the same time. For science games, you want science. For gold, just build banks and golden ages. For culture, build powerful buildings or wonders related to culture. For domination? You want to DOMINATE. Not defend yourself.

Personnally i'm surprised that this wonder made this far away. It proves that most players rarely focus entirely on a single objective and put all his money in it.

 

[Buccaneer]

I think the Neusch has had a good run, so I don't mind if it dies. On the other hand, if you ask me, people are thinking about it in the wrong way. I hear a lot of people saying "I don't build castles, so it's not worth it," or some variation of that line. Forget about the word "castle." Imagine that there was a wonder that gave you +6 gold, +4 culture, +2 happiness and access to a unique building that is +1 happiness, +3 gold, +2 culture, and bonus defense/city hp with no maintenence and the bargain price of 160 hammers. The point is that the Neusch makes castles worth it; it doesn't really matter whether you generally build castles. Forget about your old notions of a "castle."

Those numbers would be valuable if they were early game but alas, they're not.

 

[Gucumatz]

Chichen Itza 24
Hanging Gardens 27
Leaning Tower of Pisa 28
Machu Picchu 18
Neuschwanstein Castle 2 (-3) The wonder that I think should have gone out several rounds ago - as its less useful than some of the various wonders already gone. Finally it is almost dead - the wicked witch of the west is dead [soon hopefully]!
Notre Dame 26
Oracle 18
Petra 22
Porcelain Tower 13 (+1) Now the list gets short. I upvoted Porcelain because I think its better than Chichen Itza - and would be better if it stayed a bit longer due to that. Porcelain tower can be timed to be built right as several RAs are ending and so you can get a few more - to help finish the game out. In multi if you time it right - can equal several free techs [And players wont have much time to react to either war/etc to cancel their RAs] Plus the additional great scientist points along with another great scientist - a very helpful thing. Oviously so are all the wonders left - but I still think as it stands it is too low vote wise

 

[Pouakai]

Chichen Itza 24
Hanging Gardens 27
Leaning Tower of Pisa 28
Machu Picchu 18
Neuschwanstein Castle 3
Notre Dame 26
Oracle 15
Petra 22
Porcelain Tower 13

I don't know quite why people think Neuschwanstein is useless, it's freaking awesome. Again, both of these for previously stated reasons

 

[Tachii]

Chichen Itza 24
Hanging Gardens 27
Leaning Tower of Pisa 25 (-3)
Machu Picchu 18
Neuschwanstein Castle 3
Notre Dame 26
Oracle 15
Petra 23 (+1)
Porcelain Tower 13

I still want Petra to take the cake in this game, though I doubt it.
Not sure when Pisa became the highest number in this thread while Oracle had sunken ship. I like the Pisa but not as much as the other wonders in this thread.

 

[Slvynn]

Chichen Itza 24
Hanging Gardens 27
Leaning Tower of Pisa 26
Machu Picchu 18
Neuschwanstein Castle 0
Notre Dame 26
Oracle 15
Petra 23
Porcelain Tower 13

Hello Nausch, now you die! Eehhehehe
Pisa, we are going up since you are most universal, non-situational wonder in the game

 

[Slvynn]

NC isn't bad, but all others from the actual list are better imo. The main reason is the late appearance of this wonder. At that point, this wonder can only raise your stats by <1 %. Is this really worth it? Is this really worth to build so much castles just for these little boosts? You rarely need everything at the same time. For science games, you want science. For gold, just build banks and golden ages. For culture, build powerful buildings or wonders related to culture. For domination? You want to DOMINATE. Not defend yourself.

Personnally i'm surprised that this wonder made this far away. It proves that most players rarely focus entirely on a single objective and put all his money in it.

agree with you completely, i also tried to make this point with my bit screwed english, you just made that in much clear, shorter and better form

 

[draaibaar]

Can someone remind me why the hell notre dame is still in this list?
Colosseums/Circus Maximus are much better than this.

Colosseums & Circus Maximus are not enough to keep my growing people happy. I farm everything (does anybody build trading posts yet?).

Neuschwanstein Castle: Everybody seems to think this is a building for defence. It's not. Look at the picture of it. It's a work of art to make people happy and make money. Castle' don't get their defence bonus any more against rifleman. Railroads is needed to build it!

Chichen Itza 21
Hanging Gardens 27
Leaning Tower of Pisa 26
Machu Picchu 18
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 15
Petra 23
Porcelain Tower 13

Chichen Itza: I rarely focus on golden ages. 20% extra hammers is not much, and hammers are most important.
Notre Dame: to make sure my people can grow.

 

[GAGA Extrem]

Chichen Itza 21
Hanging Gardens 28
Leaning Tower of Pisa 26
Machu Picchu 15
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 15
Petra 23
Porcelain Tower 13

Machu Picchu: Imho the worst of the remaining wonders.
Hanging Gardens: A bit less situational than Petra.

 

[I_qua_I]

Chichen Itza 21
Hanging Gardens 28
Leaning Tower of Pisa 26
Machu Picchu 15
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 16 (+1)
Petra 23
Porcelain Tower 10 (-3)

Oracle: It's an extremely flexible wonder as it can benefit any victory condition/s you're aiming for. Going tall? 3 culture is very nice for additional land expansion and the extra social policy is always very useful. (If you're going for a cultural victory it goes from very strong to fantastic as it essentially grants you the most expensive social policy you'll need.) Going wide? The oracle goes great with the liberty tree as it can significantly shorten the wait for the free great person. If you are focusing on religion you can spawn a 2nd great prophet almost immediately after your first. This can allow you to either very quickly spread your religion before the other civs have a real chance of getting theirs off the ground or develop it right off the back snagging the more valuable beliefs.

Porcelain Tower: I have yet to need to build this in order to do well with science since G&K. It also doesn't help much that scientists have been nerfed so severely. In my last (marathon) game I built it just to see the painting and the scientist knocked only 4 turns (again, marathon:suicide off of the tech I was currently researching. After completing it I wished I had spent those hammers elsewhere.

 

[animalguy]

Chichen Itza 21
Hanging Gardens 25 (-3)
Leaning Tower of Pisa 26
Machu Picchu 16 (+1)
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 15
Petra 23
Porcelain Tower 13

Hanging Gardens: If you want fast growth just finish off tradition!
Machu Picchu: Useful way to gain alot more money from traderouts, regardless if going wide or tall

 

[draaibaar]

We are left with: 3 classical -, 3 Middle Age - and 2 Renaissance wonders. This is apparently the most suitable time to build wonders. Ancient is too early, the later era's too late.


correction:

Chichen Itza 21
Hanging Gardens 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa 26
Machu Picchu 16
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 16
Petra 23
Porcelain Tower 10

 

[GoodSarmatian]

Chichen Itza 21
Hanging Gardens 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa 26
Machu Picchu 13
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 17
Petra 23
Porcelain Tower 10

Oracle for all the reasons already mentioned. It also gives +3 which is nopthing to sneer at in the Classical Eraa.
Manchu Picchu is absent in many games for lack of mountains. You need some luck just to be able to build it.

 

[Arilian]

Chichen Itza 21
Hanging Gardens 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa 23
Machu Picchu 13
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 17
Petra 24
Porcelain Tower 10


Petra is the most fun wonder ever and on desert hill (even better sheep) starts it is also the very powerful. It is almost always more food than HG.

Pisa is a new version of HS but the free GP is not really free anymore. It is still very good for any VC, maybe I should have voded down HG but well

 

[emblemfire]

Chichen Itza 21
Hanging Gardens 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa 23
Machu Picchu 13
Notre Dame 24
Oracle 17
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 10

A petra city is just too powerful!
Notre Dame is great, but getting happiness isn't as hard as people make it seem. There are tons of ways to get it. But the rest of the wonders abilities are much more useful. But really I normally try to build all of these on emperor anyway.