Wonder Elimination Thread

[El Caballerion]

Chichen Itza 15
Hanging Gardens 18
Leaning Tower of Pisa 25
Machu Picchu 12
Notre Dame 18
Oracle 18 (+1)
Petra 21
Porcelain Tower 3 (-3)

ORACLE: Again, completing the Tradition branch that much quicker makes your cities grow that much faster with the free aqueducts.

PORCELAIN TOWER: Limits you to a GS, which in turn only means a slight bump to your technology at that point. Nothing amazing.

 

[viksy]

Chichen Itza 15
Hanging Gardens 18
Leaning Tower of Pisa 26 (+1)
Machu Picchu 12
Notre Dame 18
Oracle 18
Petra 21
Porcelain Tower 0 (-3)

Sorta similar here. Between the 2 Pisa comes out ahead for me. I wish PT would come earlier to have a bigger impact.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Apologies if this comes off as though I'm either being incredibly patronising or have misunderstood you, which was not my intention...

...but you do realise that the Oracle gives a free SP and not a tech, right? In what way does it give a tech boost?

No offense taken...crap I got it confused with the Great Library...feel so dumb.

Oh well I'm not going to try and change my vote and mess up the thread.

Thanks for the correction.
Edit: Also, you are awesome for sharing my belief in the total awesomesauceness of Hubble.

 

[GoodSarmatian]

Petra is great and the one wonder I will do anything to build if I have a desert nearby.
Machu Picchu is good, but compared to the other wonders left I find it the weakest.

I need at least four desert hill or oasis tiles before it's worth considering....

 

[Bakspatel]

It is starting to get more difficult to downvote wonders heh, now that the list has shrunk to this size.

Chichen Itza 15
Hanging Gardens 15 (-3)
Leaning Tower of Pisa 26
Machu Picchu 13 (+1)
Notre Dame 18
Oracle 18
Petra 21

From all the wonders left I find the Hanging Gardens to be the least useful. Most of the time I use all the grassland, plains and desert to create farms on them so there's usually never a shortage of food supply.

Machu Picchu can be a really useful wonder early in the game. While most condemn it for being too situational I actually like that: it can be decisive in settling your new city, most of the time prevents wonder-spamming in cities, it can give other civs a change to construct it and the money bonus is certainly welcome early in the game.

 

[nefloyd]

My baby is gone :*(

Chichen Itza 12
Hanging Gardens 15
Leaning Tower of Pisa 26
Machu Picchu 13
Notre Dame 18
Oracle 19
Petra 21

I would take Oracle every single game if I could manage it
No to Chichen because of pikeman-rushing AIs

 

[Tachii]

I need at least four desert hill or oasis tiles before it's worth considering....

At least? That's already crazy as it is if you managed to get Petra in there. I just need 4 good tiles, not necessarily hills or oasis, but even just iron/quarry/plantations and it'd still be a city to be reckoned with. The +3 culture from amphitheater doesn't hurt either.

 

[Leviat]

Chichen Itza 12
Hanging Gardens 16
Leaning Tower of Pisa 26
Machu Picchu 13
Notre Dame 18
Oracle 16
Petra 21

Hanging Gardens: As said earlier, HG + NC is a powerful research city. Also I can get it on Immortal, though I have had less success getting it on Deity.

Oracle: It is difficult to downgrade any of these, honestly. They're all great wonders. However, something has to be downgraded and I haven't built the oracle in awhile. Almost went Chichen Itza but recently had my own little continent as Darius and after nearly constant golden ages, I am fond of it.

 

[aguliondew]

Chichen Itza 12
Hanging Gardens 16
Leaning Tower of Pisa 26
Machu Picchu 10
Notre Dame 18
Oracle 16
Petra 21

I was away for 3 days and down to 7 wonders from 20 .

Hanging gardens - Growth is good for any city.

Machu Pichu - It does not work well for tradition civs and its situational, rarely any mountains on my previious maps.

 

[PhilBowles]

PETRA...who cares if it makes a desert city better. Choose a better city location and it is unnecessary.

Well, if you can point to a terrain type that is common around cities and gives 1 food, 3 production and 1 gold with no improvements without Petra, please share. And that's not counting oases and luxuries like incense.

If you stick Petra in a bad place, that's not the Wonder's fault, any more than it's the fault of the Colossus if you build it in a city with only one water tile. The areas where you want Petra are cities you'd want to settle otherwise - the ones with hills, luxuries and food-producing oases. It isn't for making bad cities better, it's for making good cities better.

 

[DeathFace]

Chichen Itza 12
Hanging Gardens 16
Leaning Tower of Pisa 26
Machu Picchu 10
Notre Dame 18
Oracle 16
Petra 21

Curwen's vote only took away two points, but then aguliondew didn't add a point either. So I just wanted to set the record straight.

 

[Hammer Rabbi]

cant believe oracle and petra have lasted this long. notre dame too, honestly. i cant downvote more than one so petra shouldnt be a top 5 imo, so it has to get the thumbs down now. and HG absolutely should be a top 5 and the recent downswing from being neck and neck with Pisa as the top dog has surprised me. Im gonna try and keep it a survivor as it looks like Pisa will probably be the champ out of this.

Chichen Itza 12
Hanging Gardens 16 + 1 = 17
Leaning Tower of Pisa 26
Machu Picchu 10
Notre Dame 18
Oracle 16
Petra 21 - 3 = 18

 

[Koiranputki]

Chichen Itza 13 +1
Hanging Gardens 17
Leaning Tower of Pisa 26
Machu Picchu 10
Notre Dame 15 -3
Oracle 16
Petra 18

Tough choices...those Chichen Itza boosted golden ages make this wonder a really nice "all-rounder"...

I hate to downgrade the Notre Dame....however, I think it's the weakest now...

It does come at a good time, but it doesn't scale and so conveys a gradually eroding advantage...really a kind of a pumped-up Circus Maximus... Heck, really I would rather get lucky and find the FoY at the edge of my first city...you don't have to waste any hammers on it... But I doubt that ever happens....a few times I was able to find it in a good location for a second or city though...

[Aside: Does anyone know the algorithm used for deciding which Wonders appear in a game...some seem to be their almost regularly... OF, Barrington, Gilbraltar....others hardly ever... Eldorado, FoY, Potosi....??? The new G&K religious wonders seem to be fairly regular...Sri Pada...Mt. Kailash]

 

[Hammer Rabbi]

haha, yeah i just out-posted you by some seconds i think. this has been a fast and furious thread.

 

[Dogmouth]

Tough choices...those Chichen Itza boosted golden ages make this wonder a really nice "all-rounder"...

I hate to downgrade the Notre Dame....however, I think it's the weakest now...

It does come at a good time, but it doesn't scale and so conveys a gradually eroding advantage...really a kind of a pumped-up Circus Maximus... Heck, really I would rather get lucky and find the FoY at the edge of my first city...you don't have to waste any hammers on it... But I doubt that ever happens....a few times I was able to find it in a good location for a second or city though...

[Aside: Does anyone know the algorithm used for deciding which Wonders appear in a game...some seem to be their almost regularly... OF, Barrington, Gilbraltar....others hardly ever... Eldorado, FoY, Potosi....??? The new G&K religious wonders seem to be fairly regular...Sri Pada...Mt. Kailash]

I've played CiV for a looong time and I've only seen FoY twice. I've never seen it in G&K (hell, I'm not even sure if it was written out of the game).

 

[Slvynn]

Well, if you can point to a terrain type that is common around cities and gives 1 food, 3 production and 1 gold with no improvements without Petra, please share. And that's not counting oases and luxuries like incense.

If you stick Petra in a bad place, that's not the Wonder's fault, any more than it's the fault of the Colossus if you build it in a city with only one water tile. The areas where you want Petra are cities you'd want to settle otherwise - the ones with hills, luxuries and food-producing oases. It isn't for making bad cities better, it's for making good cities better.

It does not mean that it could be in this top list....
I can tell you such tile,
Mm... actually i wont, try to play Inca or Iroquois, you will see them
Petra is not bad but its far from deserving to be in this list... I didnt rolled it in my many games and travelling 10 tiles to find crappy 2 hill desert? no , thank you

Again, seems you under impression of this wonder, still, but its far from being best wonder

 

[Hammer Rabbi]

I've played CiV for a looong time and I've only seen FoY twice. I've never seen it in G&K (hell, I'm not even sure if it was written out of the game).

it wasnt. i got it in a game in GnK. and i couldnt settle near it which was a bummer, haha. ive also only seen it 2 or 3 times.

 

[Koiranputki]

it wasnt. i got it in a game in GnK. and i couldnt settle near it which was a bummer, haha. ive also only seen it 2 or 3 times.

Nice that it's still there...but I haven't seen it either yet in G&K ... I've seen Eldorado a couple of times and once it was close enough for one of my cities.... Although it was quite close, unfortunately an AI found it first...

And in another game I managed to get Potosi into one of my cities...though I had to push a bit hard...buying a couple of tiles to make sure an adjacent CS didn't expand into it first...I was playing as Isabella ...and the 500g I got for finding it first was put to good use... And the poor CS was kind of an anemic player after that...hardly even worth allying with....

 

[Hammer Rabbi]

the only one i care about anymore is the great barrier reef. that is just an awesome wonder, imo, and unbelievable with spain. ive never had FoY in my borders but it seems quite awesome.

 

[Tabarnak]

Chichen Itza 14
Hanging Gardens 14
Leaning Tower of Pisa 26
Machu Picchu 10
Notre Dame 15
Oracle 16
Petra 18

CI : My favourite wonder. This thing gives you +4 happiness but more importantly free ga turns. Golden ages are powerful in GnK because now we can get Taller and Larger empires than before and we can also raise our culture rate during these turns . Flawless wonder IMO.

HG : Free garden isn't bad but +6 food is nothing under Tradition. Better under Liberty, i still feel that much more important things need to be build.