Wonder Elimination Thread

[blackcatatonic]

Oh crap, I was coming in here intending to upvote Hubble after it basically single-handedly saved me in a close-run space race last night, but I'm too late

Chichen Itza 21
Hanging Gardens 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa 23
Machu Picchu 13
Notre Dame 24
Oracle 18 (+1)
Petra 22 (-3)
Porcelain Tower 10

The Oracle is the only Ancient Wonder I will have a hissy fit and consider rage-quitting if I don't get. The Great Library and Hanging Gardens have their uses, but I always feel particularly sad to miss out on the Oracle. I also think the quote you get on the splash screen is one of the best in the game.

I love Petra, but it's the Spain of Wonders. So situational that it's either bucket of win or not worth building.

 

[Avatan]

Chichen Itza 21
Hanging Gardens 25 - 3 = 22
Leaning Tower of Pisa 23
Machu Picchu 13
Notre Dame 24
Oracle 18
Petra 22
Porcelain Tower 10 + 1 = 11

Hanging garden I love but since I moved up to emperor it seems like a lost cause. I found out it vmcan be foregone.
PT for most flexible wonder ever.

Neuschwanstein eulogy:
Neuschwanstein I never built before this thread, and I got convinced here. I did build it for my extra wide inca mountain map cheesy victory, and it was BRUTAL!

Edit: I screwed up.

 

[DKRI]

Chichen Itza 21
Hanging Gardens 22
Leaning Tower of Pisa 23
Machu Picchu 13
Notre Dame 21
Oracle 19
Petra 22
Porcelain Tower 11

The Notre Dame used to be a must have before G&K on Immortal/Deity, now it´s nice to have but never prioritized as happiness is much less of an issue. It does not deserve to be in the lead right now.

I nowadays find the Oracle rather essential for that age as you A: will benefit a lot from the SP bonuses at that moment and B: will get extra culture much needed to expand your borders. It is also quite an obtainable wonder which I seldom loose out on (compared to the HG and CI which are the two I would rate higher, although I tend to never being able to build them losing a lot of time/beakers. Petra is a killer if in the right spot, but as it has driven me to rage quit otherwise good games which makes me feel rather ambivalent about it.).

 

[ohdaesu]

Chichen Itza 21
Hanging Gardens 22
Leaning Tower of Pisa 23
Machu Picchu 10
Notre Dame 21
Oracle 20
Petra 22
Porcelain Tower 11

Machu Picchu is weak with respect to others and its hard to build, you have to be araound mountains.

oracle is a must as i enjoy playin cultural games.

 

[PhilBowles]

Chichen Itza 24
Hanging Gardens 27
Leaning Tower of Pisa 26
Machu Picchu 18
Neuschwanstein Castle 0
Notre Dame 26
Oracle 15
Petra 23
Porcelain Tower 13

Hello Nausch, now you die! Eehhehehe
Pisa, we are going up since you are most universal, non-situational wonder in the game

Presuming you're focusing on Great Person production sufficiently, and in a sufficient number of cities, to warrant having the effect of a Garden in each one for the cost - and that if you plan to maximise the Wonder's value your tech path has you reaching another Wonder just as the GE pops. It's as situational as any Wonder.

Neuschwanstein Castle: Everybody seems to think this is a building for defence. It's not. Look at the picture of it. It's a work of art to make people happy and make money. Castle' don't get their defence bonus any more against rifleman. Railroads is needed to build it!

Indeed, this is one of the Wonders that best-reflects the real-world site. Neucshwanstein was never a true castle; it was built as a folly in the 19th Century. Basically, it's a castle-shaped manor house like Arundel in England, and its only real purpose is, indeed, as a tourist attraction.

Porcelain Tower: I have yet to need to build this in order to do well with science since G&K. It also doesn't help much that scientists have been nerfed so severely. In my last (marathon) game I built it just to see the painting and the scientist knocked only 4 turns (again, marathon) off of the tech I was currently researching. After completing it I wished I had spent those hammers elsewhere.

Science Wonders in G&K only give you decent science benefits if you're already doing well in science (except GL and Oxford) - since they're based off beaker production. Though the Porcelain Tower is mostly useful for its RA effect, not the Great Scientist, so you can get better science boosts by going for RAs with civs that are higher-tech than you.

 

[Kwami]

Chichen Itza 21
Hanging Gardens 22
Leaning Tower of Pisa 23
Machu Picchu 11
Notre Dame 18
Oracle 20
Petra 22
Porcelain Tower 11

Happiness is too easy to get in G&K, so I don't see the value in Notre Dame. One can never have enough Gold, though, so I'll give my vote to Machu Picchu. Plus, I like the flavor that it provides. Wonders that don't work in every game are more interesting than wonders that do.

 

[PhilBowles]

Chichen Itza 21
Hanging Gardens 22
Leaning Tower of Pisa 20
Machu Picchu 12
Notre Dame 18
Oracle 20
Petra 22
Porcelain Tower 11

Macchu Picchu needs help right now and is certainly among the very best Wonders out there - it's the only mountain Wonder I'd consider founding a substandard city to build. It comes at a time when gold isn't that easy to come by in quantity and can massively accelerate practically anything you want to do as a result. It certainly deserves to outlast Chichen Itza, Notre Dame and the Leaning Tower of Pisa.

Speaking of the latter, while this is the Wonder I consider just below the top tier, I still rank HG, The Oracle, MP and Petra higher, so I'm downvoting it even though I consider ND and CI the weakest remaining Wonders in the list.

 

[Dogmouth]

Chichen Itza 21
Hanging Gardens 22
Leaning Tower of Pisa 20
Machu Picchu 13 (+1)
Notre Dame 18
Oracle 20
Petra 22
Porcelain Tower 8 (-3)

Machu Picchu is a gold factory that scales well with large empires. The extra faith is also a nice bonus. I like the PT, but it's been significantly nerfed with the new not-so-free free GPs and the reduced value of research agreements.

 

[theis81]

Chichen Itza 21
Hanging Gardens 22
Leaning Tower of Pisa 23
Machu Picchu 10
Notre Dame 18
Oracle 20
Petra 23
Porcelain Tower 8

Petra is great and the one wonder I will do anything to build if I have a desert nearby.
Machu Picchu is good, but compared to the other wonders left I find it the weakest.

 

[Tachii]

Hmm my guesses for this game:

Pisa, Chichen Itza, and Petra will be the last 3 standing. I'd put Hanging Gardens as the dark horse. A bunch of people like it but I almost never build it on Immortal+. Kind of sad sometmes it gets build as soon as T61.

 

[curwen]

Chichen Itza 21
Hanging Gardens 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 23
Machu Picchu 11
Notre Dame 18
Oracle 20
Petra 23
Porcelain Tower 8

i generaly play at deity so wonders are really hard to get....

I downgraded HG as i cannot build it (failed by 1 turn with a perfect start of 2 ruins giving culture 1 worker stolen before turn 20 and marble with the egyptian... every other time i learn it has been build before i even think to start a wonder (SOH ... the savior of religion...)... and can manage to win anyhow... could be useful for really tall start or strangely located city ? but how do you want to beat IA to it ?

MP ... only one i can generally build due to location restriction (same could be say for for collossus and ok PETRA but everybody dream of petra and arabia love it to much ... )... and if you want a culture victory to get a world wide wonder in 2/3 cities at deity is a pain but wortwhile imo... we need some "worthless" wonder for the UI and it is not so bad more gold is always nice to get specially when i am lucky to get a religion once every 10 times (except for "religious civ")... at lower difficulty overpowered for a wide empire also...

 

[hbar]

Chichen Itza 21
Hanging Gardens 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 23
Machu Picchu 12
Notre Dame 18
Oracle 20
Petra 23
Porcelain Tower 5

PT just isn't in this tier after the RA nerf. I really think a lot of its votes are driven by nostalgia.

MP is a monster. I don't usually play a wide/puppet empire, but in my current game I'm getting money so fast I don't know where to spend it!

 

[Villager720]

Chichen Itza 21
Hanging Gardens 17
Leaning Tower of Pisa 24
Machu Picchu 12
Notre Dame 18
Oracle 20
Petra 23
Porcelain Tower 5

Hanging Gardens is just not really that great. 6 Food isnt a huge deal, (unlike the 10 pre - G&K when food wasn awarded in spades from religion) and the free garden is nice, but thats essentially its best quality. A free building.

LT is a beast. Pretty sure Hagia Sophia won last time, and Im pretty sure its new incantation shall win this time.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Chichen Itza 21
Hanging Gardens 17
Leaning Tower of Pisa 24
Machu Picchu 12
Notre Dame 18
Oracle 17 (-3)
Petra 24 (+1)
Porcelain Tower 5

Petra is spectacularly powerful and can make an otherwise next-to-useless city a superpowerful city.

I don't go for Oracle because I actually want the AI to be more competitive in the tech race. I leave this wonder for the AI to grab to give them a much needed boost.

All the Hubble haters can go home....and if they are already home, they should unplug their modems. SHAME.

 

[Mesix]

Hanging Gardens 18 (+1)
Leaning Tower of Pisa 24
Machu Picchu 12
Notre Dame 18
Oracle 17 (-3)
Petra 21 (-3)
Porcelain Tower 5

PETRA...who cares if it makes a desert city better. Choose a better city location and it is unnecessary. They only reason I would want Petra in a city is after the AI builds it so I can take it with a Landship to get the achievement.

HANGING GARDENS...people really underrate +6 . When it is in your science center (with National College and all science buildings), it really snowballs the entire game to provide a huge research benefit. It is especially good when coupled with Freedom SP tree for a specialist economy!

 

[hbar]

Chichen Itza 21
Hanging Gardens 18
Leaning Tower of Pisa 24
Machu Picchu 12
Notre Dame 18
Oracle 17
Petra 21
Porcelain Tower 5

Copy-pasta missed the Chichen Itza.

 

[Mesix]

Chichen Itza 21
Hanging Gardens 18
Leaning Tower of Pisa 24
Machu Picchu 12
Notre Dame 18
Oracle 17
Petra 21
Porcelain Tower 5

Copy-pasta missed the Chichen Itza.

Thanks for the correction. I am just now starting in this conversation and I can't believe some of the wonders which have been knocked out early on.

 

[blackcatatonic]

I don't go for Oracle because I actually want the AI to be more competitive in the tech race. I leave this wonder for the AI to grab to give them a much needed boost.

Apologies if this comes off as though I'm either being incredibly patronising or have misunderstood you, which was not my intention...

...but you do realise that the Oracle gives a free SP and not a tech, right? In what way does it give a tech boost?

 

[Gucumatz]

Chichen Itza 18 (-3)
Hanging Gardens 18
Leaning Tower of Pisa 24
Machu Picchu 12
Notre Dame 18
Oracle 17
Petra 21
Porcelain Tower 6 (+1)

Well I believe Chichen Itza is the worst of the remaining wonders. Not that it is a bad wonder - a few extra turns of Golden Age has its uses - but there are always other wonders I would rather build rather than Chichen except for a few circumstances

Porcelain Tower is probably out next - but I don't think it deserves to go next

 

[Human Crouton]

Chichen Itza 15 (-3)
Hanging Gardens 18
Leaning Tower of Pisa 25 (+1)
Machu Picchu 12
Notre Dame 18
Oracle 17
Petra 21
Porcelain Tower 6

Chichen Itza: Extended golden ages are great, but I hit golden ages often enough in most of my games that it I don't think it's always worth it to waste production time on a wonder that allows me to cling onto them.

Leaning Tower of Pisa: "Thank you for building me. What would you like to do: Discover a technology, build a wonder, go to war, get some emergency cash and make friends with a city-state, start a golden age, or spread your religion? Also, here is a coupon for 25% off all GPs."