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Wonder Elimination Thread

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by MantaRevan, Oct 12, 2013.

  1. Guandao

    Guandao Rajah of Minyue and Langkasuka

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    Chichen Itza -21
    Colossus - 26
    Eiffel Tower - 37
    Forbidden Palace - 4-3=1 someone please finish this unnecessary wonder off
    Hanging Gardens - 10
    Leaning Tower of Pisa - 35
    Machu Picchu -23
    Neushwanstein-27
    Notre Dame- 24
    Oracle - 24
    Petra -9
    Sistine Chapel - 33
    Statue of Liberty - 33
    Stonehenge - 12
    Temple of Artemis - 10+1=11 other civ will rush for this early game, but it is worth it if ones builds it
     
  2. rawrtrav

    rawrtrav Chieftain

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    Chichen Itza -21
    Colossus - 26
    Eiffel Tower - 37
    Forbidden Palace - 1
    Hanging Gardens - 10
    Leaning Tower of Pisa - 35
    Machu Picchu -23 - 3 = 20 - I very rarely build this, it's normally beelined by the AIs (Especially Liz), plus +25% extra gold from city connections isn't really all that great considering the best way to play the game at the moment is as tall as you can go, so you may get like 12 gold per turn instead of 10 at the time you can build this. The extra faith is nice, but I think that Machu Picchu needs a bit of a buff now, maybe +4 happiness similar to Chichen Itza. Before BNW, I used to love getting Machu Picchu, but now I'd rather spend those hammers on cargo ships.
    Neushwanstein-27
    Notre Dame- 24 + 1 = 25 - A necessary wonder for me no matter what type of game I'm going for. 4 extra faith? Great, that'll add up in the long run. 10 extra happiness? Yes plese, I want all of that.
    Oracle - 24
    Petra -9
    Sistine Chapel - 33
    Statue of Liberty - 33
    Stonehenge - 12
    Temple of Artemis - 11
     
  3. jlim201

    jlim201 King

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    Chichen Itza -21
    Colossus - 26
    Eiffel Tower - 37
    Forbidden Palace - 1
    Hanging Gardens - 10
    Leaning Tower of Pisa - 35
    Machu Picchu - 20 -
    Neushwanstein-27
    Notre Dame- 25 -
    Oracle - 24
    Petra -6- Why settle in the middle of the desert? Unless its your capital, pointless.
    Sistine Chapel - 33
    Statue of Liberty - 34- Gives you a tremendous amount of production. It may not seem significant, but it gives you so many hammers. Plus Freedom lets you have more specialists for less cost.
    Stonehenge - 12
    Temple of Artemis - 11
     
  4. SemperFi2382

    SemperFi2382 Mitten Marauder

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    Chichen Itza - 21
    Colossus - 26
    Eiffel Tower - 37
    Forbidden Palace - 0
    Hanging Gardens - 10
    Leaning Tower of Pisa - 35
    Machu Picchu - 20
    Neuschwanstein -28
    Notre Dame - 25
    Oracle - 24
    Petra - 6
    Sistine Chapel - 33
    Statue of Liberty - 34
    Stonehenge - 12
    Temple of Artemis - 11

    Killed Forbidden Palace because 2 extra delegates just doesn't seem to fit.

    Upvoted Neuschwanstein because of the great bonuses, and it just looks cool.
     
  5. Doctor Doom

    Doctor Doom Warlord

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    Chichen Itza - 22
    Colossus - 26
    Eiffel Tower - 37
    Hanging Gardens - 7
    Leaning Tower of Pisa - 35
    Machu Picchu - 20
    Neuschwanstein -28
    Notre Dame - 25
    Oracle - 24
    Petra - 6
    Sistine Chapel - 33
    Statue of Liberty - 34
    Stonehenge - 12
    Temple of Artemis - 11


    The Chichen Itza is unstoppable on Brazil I actually won my first culture victory as them in multiplayer. I had a 120 turn golden age that started right when I first built the CI. The hanging gardens just aren't worth it. Especially if you're the Incans!
     
  6. GoStu

    GoStu King

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    I'd like to lament the passing of the Forbidden Palace. Dominance over the early works congress? Nice. Massive cut to empire-wide unhappiness? Very good. To me it's more happiness net than Notre Dame.
     
  7. Beaver79

    Beaver79 Warlord

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    I'm still mad that they killed my CNN tower back on page 2.

    Chichen Itza - 22
    Colossus - 23
    Hanging Gardens - 7
    Leaning Tower of Pisa - 35
    Machu Picchu - 20
    Neuschwanstein -29
    Notre Dame - 25
    Oracle - 24
    Petra - 6
    Sistine Chapel - 33
    Statue of Liberty - 34
    Stonehenge - 12
    Temple of Artemis - 11

    Colossus - It's too hard to build. I would never go for iron working before Philosophy and some AI will. I'd rather build 2 settlers instead anyway.

    Neuschwanstein - IMO the best wide wonder. It's kind of like a faith building that gives gold instead of faith and it takes walls and castles to make instead of faith. So actually not like that at all, but it's still awesome.
     
  8. Memoryjar

    Memoryjar Emperor

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    Chichen Itza and Notre Dame, do you beeline them before philo or education ?

    I don't understand how you can get them before AI.


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  9. reddishrecue

    reddishrecue Deity

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    Chichen Itza - 22
    Colossus -23
    Hanging Gardens - 7
    Leaning Tower of Pisa - 35
    Machu Picchu - 20
    Neuschwanstein -29
    Notre Dame - 25
    Oracle - 24
    Petra - 6
    Sistine Chapel - 33
    Statue of Liberty - 34
    Stonehenge - 12
    Temple of Artemis - 11
    In addition to the civilizations above, the civilizations below get brought back to life.
    Prora - 5
    I had to bring this back because of the excess happiness one can get from the social policies.

    Great firewall - 7
    This wonder is good against the internet.
     
  10. jlim201

    jlim201 King

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    Bringing back eliminated wonders is not allowed, if it was elim threads would take forever. Next Voter, use list above without the civs reddishrescue wanted to bring back.
     
  11. animalcross

    animalcross Chieftain

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    Chichen Itza - 22
    Colossus -23
    Hanging Gardens - 7
    Leaning Tower of Pisa - 36 - I usually use a scientist here to get scientific theory or industrialization, giving a nice boost to get above the pack in production or science, or even widen a lead sometimes.
    Machu Picchu - 20
    Neuschwanstein -29
    Notre Dame - 25
    Oracle - 24
    Petra - 6
    Sistine Chapel - 33
    Statue of Liberty - 34
    Stonehenge - 12
    Temple of Artemis - 9 - This is still here? 10% food is useless until you are producing tons, and why would you waste production for this that early? 15%Ranged units is okay. Extra hate for being DLC and costing money to build.
     
  12. SemperFi2382

    SemperFi2382 Mitten Marauder

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    Chichen Itza - 22
    Colossus -23
    Hanging Gardens - 7
    Leaning Tower of Pisa - 36
    Machu Picchu - 20
    Neuschwanstein - 30
    Notre Dame - 25
    Oracle - 24
    Petra - 3
    Sistine Chapel - 33
    Statue of Liberty - 34
    Stonehenge - 12
    Temple of Artemis - 9

    Voted up Neuschwanstein again for the great bonuses.
    Voted down Petra because A) Stupid Achievement Garbage B) Desert Tiles...
     
  13. Enrico Swagolo

    Enrico Swagolo Deity

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    Chichen Itza - 19
    Colossus -23
    Hanging Gardens - 7
    Leaning Tower of Pisa - 36
    Machu Picchu - 20
    Neuschwanstein - 30
    Notre Dame - 25
    Oracle - 24
    Petra - 4

    Sistine Chapel - 33
    Statue of Liberty - 34
    Stonehenge - 12
    Temple of Artemis - 9


    +1 to Petra to save it for one turn longer. It gives so much Food and Production to a city. It's a must have as Arabia or Morocco. It's going to always give you more food and production than Hanging Gardens. Hell, the trade route itself gives more food than the Hanging Gardens. Why is this wonderful thing so underappreciated?

    -3 to Chichen Itza. It's nearly impossible to get against AI, and while great, it deserves less points.
     
  14. NoOneImportant

    NoOneImportant Warlord

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    Chichen Itza - 19
    Colossus -23
    Hanging Gardens - 4 A single trade route gives more food than this and there are two wonders (Colossus and Petra) that come around the same time and give exactly this plus much more.
    Leaning Tower of Pisa - 36
    Machu Picchu - 20
    Neuschwanstein - 30
    Notre Dame - 25
    Oracle - 24
    Petra - 5 There are entire strategies based around it. Yeah, you can't always build it, but so what? It's just the same with the wonders that AI always goes for (Chichen Itza, Notre Dame), and yet somehow people choose to downvote this despite its superior benefits.
    Sistine Chapel - 33
    Statue of Liberty - 34
    Stonehenge - 12
    Temple of Artemis - 9
     
  15. jlim201

    jlim201 King

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    Chichen Itza - 19
    Colossus -24- At this point in the game, regardless of difficulty, 5 gold and a Trade Ship is awesome. Ship would usually net me 13 gold and 2-4 science because of techs i missed.
    Hanging Gardens - 1- 6 food is so little. Cargo Ships can deliver 12, Caravans 6. Only needed when in dire need of food.
    Leaning Tower of Pisa - 36
    Machu Picchu - 20
    Neuschwanstein - 30
    Notre Dame - 25
    Oracle - 24
    Petra - 5
    Sistine Chapel - 33
    Statue of Liberty - 34
    Stonehenge - 12
    Temple of Artemis - 9
     
  16. Ajay Sabharwal

    Ajay Sabharwal Chieftain

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    Chichen Itza - 19
    Colossus -24-
    Hanging Gardens - 2
    Leaning Tower of Pisa - 36
    Machu Picchu - 20
    Neuschwanstein - 30
    Notre Dame - 25
    Oracle - 24
    Petra - 5
    Sistine Chapel - 33
    Statue of Liberty - 34
    Stonehenge - 12
    Temple of Artemis - 6


    Moderator Action: Remember, you must include a rationale for your elimination thread votes. Otherwise your post is regarded as spam.
     
  17. Doctor Doom

    Doctor Doom Warlord

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    Chichen Itza - 19
    Colossus -24
    Hanging Gardens - 2
    Leaning Tower of Pisa - 36
    Machu Picchu - 20
    Neuschwanstein - 30
    Notre Dame - 25
    Oracle - 24
    Petra - 6
    Sistine Chapel - 33
    Statue of Liberty - 34
    Stonehenge - 9
    Temple of Artemis - 6


    Sorry to keep the Petra alive, but desert folklore + the Petra + desert hills makes your city extremely powerful! And stone henge..... isn't really worth the early game hammers plus you could get the same amount of faith from something like desert folklore, stone circles, or tears of the gods.
     
  18. rawrtrav

    rawrtrav Chieftain

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    Chichen Itza - 19 - 3 = 16
    Colossus -24
    Hanging Gardens - 2 + 1 = 3
    Leaning Tower of Pisa - 36
    Machu Picchu - 20
    Neuschwanstein - 30
    Notre Dame - 25
    Oracle - 24
    Petra - 6
    Sistine Chapel - 33
    Statue of Liberty - 34
    Stonehenge - 9
    Temple of Artemis - 6

    Hanging Gardens is another must build wonder for me. 6 food at that point in the game is sooo good, considering I'd always try to get Hanging Gardens up by turn 80 at the latest, so I wouldn't have a granary set up in my second city, possibly not even have sailing available anyway.

    Chichen Itza, +4 happiness is nice, but not great. Golden Age and a half bonus is nice, but not great. Pretty much the worst of a good bunch left in my opinion. The extra Golden Age bonus doesn't make a huge difference in my opinion, and everything else left is just better.


    I have to say, I don't understand the hate Petra is getting. Yes, it's very situational, but if you get a good Petra city (Just play a game with Morocco/Egypt/Arabia/Ethopia and you will get it pretty quickly) then you'll see how powerful Petra actually is.
     
  19. Beaver79

    Beaver79 Warlord

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    Chichen Itza - 16
    Colossus -24
    Hanging Gardens - 0 = 3 - 3
    Leaning Tower of Pisa - 36
    Machu Picchu - 20
    Neuschwanstein - 30
    Notre Dame - 25
    Oracle - 24
    Petra - 6
    Sistine Chapel - 33
    Statue of Liberty - 35
    Stonehenge - 9
    Temple of Artemis - 6

    Some of these are nice but the SoL is a fairly big production bonus in each city plus a free social policy. Plus it encourages you to fill up all your specialist slots will cost half food and half unhappiness at that point.

    Hanging Gardens just helps one city and I don't think it even gives a great person point. Early on there are a lot of important things to build too.
     
  20. GoStu

    GoStu King

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    Same here: that single city can be a total game-changer. I think it's because all your desert hills suddenly start producing food, and extra production, and can start building faith with Desert Folklore. Topping that off is culture at Archaeology, and that free Caravan and Trade Route will be gold all game long.

    The city that builds Petra (assuming you have a site worthy of it, with lots of desert hills), will be be a food and production monster that spits out money and can spam out other wonders at will. GG.


    Chichen Itza - 13
    Colossus -24
    Leaning Tower of Pisa - 36
    Machu Picchu - 20
    Neuschwanstein - 31
    Notre Dame - 25
    Oracle - 24
    Petra - 6
    Sistine Chapel - 33
    Statue of Liberty - 35
    Stonehenge - 9
    Temple of Artemis - 6

    Downvote goes to Chichen Itza. Awesome sounding quote and neat bonus can't save this wonder in my eyes. The AI's steamy not-so-secret love affair with it is annoying as hell, and at the end of the day you've still got to trigger Golden Ages to make best use of it. Still a good Wonder, but it's the bottom of the pack for me.

    Upvote for Neuschwanstein again: This thing is worth so much Happiness, Gold, and Culture even in a tall empire. I feel like it's two steps shy of cheating for a wide empire. By the time I have Railroad, the production costs or gold cost for Walls and a Castle in any given city is a pittance. One turn for Walls, a couple more for the Castle, and suddenly that city is up 1 Happiness, 2 Culture, and 3 Gold. Multiply even by 5-6 for a 'Tall' empire and see how it comes out. Now multiply that result by 3 or so for a good wide empire.
     

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