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Wonder Elimination Thread

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by MantaRevan, Oct 12, 2013.

  1. sendos

    sendos Immortal

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    Chichen Itza - 13
    Colossus -24
    Leaning Tower of Pisa - 36
    Machu Picchu - 20
    Neuschwanstein - 31
    Notre Dame - 25
    Oracle - 24
    Petra - 7 situational but powerful. Highly recommended to build for 2nd or 3rd cities to diversify your tall empire.
    Sistine Chapel - 33
    Statue of Liberty - 35
    Stonehenge - 6 It's a nice wonder to get if you want to get a guaranteed religion, especially if you are Byzantines or to get it ASAP to spread it earlier, but it's the worst one left out of this bunch.
    Temple of Artemis - 6
     
  2. GhostSalsa

    GhostSalsa Emperor

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    Chichen Itza - 13
    Colossus -24
    Leaning Tower of Pisa - 36
    Machu Picchu - 20
    Neuschwanstein - 31
    Notre Dame - 22
    Oracle - 24
    Petra - 8
    Sistine Chapel - 33
    Statue of Liberty - 35
    Stonehenge - 6
    Temple of Artemis - 6

    How is NDame associating with this list of elites? I love the happiness wonders but why would I ever be in Physics??? Physics is a useless tech, trebuchets are trash. The last time I built NDame I was Korea, naturally.

    Petra is so beautiful. I never play Tradition/wonderhog anymore unless it's because I got a good location for Petra - knocking out wonders every 4/5 turns through Renaissance feels so cathartic. Or maybe I'm obsessed with high tile yields.
     
  3. Zaimejs

    Zaimejs Emperor

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    Chichen Itza - 13
    Colossus -24
    Leaning Tower of Pisa - 36
    Machu Picchu - 20
    Neuschwanstein - 31
    Notre Dame - 22
    Oracle - 24
    Petra - 9
    Sistine Chapel - 33
    Statue of Liberty - 35
    Stonehenge - 6
    Temple of Artemis - 3

    God save the Petra.

    Temple of Artemis... quirky and fun, but I rarely build it.
     
  4. Electric Ferret

    Electric Ferret Chieftain

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    Chichen Itza - 10
    Colossus -24
    Leaning Tower of Pisa - 36
    Machu Picchu - 20
    Neuschwanstein - 31
    Notre Dame - 22
    Oracle - 24
    Petra - 9
    Sistine Chapel - 33
    Statue of Liberty - 35
    Stonehenge - 7
    Temple of Artemis - 3


    Downvote on Chichen Itza - it is a great wonder but is it an Essential wonder? Possibly not. The chances of actually getting it are generally slim since the AI races for it like Pac-Man to a power pill. I rarely get it and I can't say I miss it - it doesn't put a dent in my ultimate plan for world domination.

    Upvote to Stonehenge - because unlike Chichen Itza not getting a religion can actually put a dent in my ultimate plan of world domination. Stonehenge pretty much guarantees that not only will I get one, I might even be able to get it quicker and get some useful beliefs.
     
  5. ilikepie333

    ilikepie333 Chieftain

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    Chichen Itza - 10
    Colossus -24
    Leaning Tower of Pisa - 36
    Machu Picchu - 20
    Neuschwanstein - 31
    Notre Dame - 22+1=23
    Oracle - 24
    Petra - 9
    Sistine Chapel - 33
    Statue of Liberty - 35
    Stonehenge - 7
    Temple of Artemis - 3-3=0

    Notre Dame: 10 Happy. Nuff Said.
    Temple of Artemis: It is 10% to food, but it is not enough, too early. Killing this.
     
  6. striker4life360

    striker4life360 Chieftain

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    Chichen Itza - 10
    Colossus -24
    Leaning Tower of Pisa - 36
    Machu Picchu - 20
    Neuschwanstein - 28 Bonuses come far to late to make a difference also on a bad tech path.
    Notre Dame - 22
    Oracle - 24
    Petra - 9
    Sistine Chapel - 33
    Statue of Liberty - 35
    Stonehenge - 7
    Temple of Artemis - 4 the reason why you can fill every specialist spot in a tall empire.
     
  7. Pythakoreas

    Pythakoreas Chef Tain

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    A little bit late.
    If you happen to vote at same time, you may discredit the input of the other voter.





    Suggestion for the future: If one candidate gets eliminated, it can be brought back to life by the another person who voted at the same moment.
     
  8. Electric Ferret

    Electric Ferret Chieftain

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    Temple of Artemis:
    +10% Growth in all cities.
    +15% Production when building ranged units.
    Instant Resurrection if downvoted
     
  9. Doctor Doom

    Doctor Doom Warlord

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    Chichen Itza - 10
    Colossus -24
    Leaning Tower of Pisa - 36
    Machu Picchu - 20
    Neuschwanstein - 25 I find the bonuses come too late, but that's just me.
    Notre Dame - 22
    Oracle - 24
    Petra - 10 Desert hills.
    Sistine Chapel - 33
    Statue of Liberty - 35
    Stonehenge - 7
     
  10. Redaxe

    Redaxe Emperor

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    Chichen Itza - 7
    Colossus -24
    Leaning Tower of Pisa - 36
    Machu Picchu - 20
    Neuschwanstein - 25 I find the bonuses come too late, but that's just me.
    Notre Dame - 22
    Oracle - 24
    Petra - 10 Desert hills.
    Sistine Chapel - 33
    Statue of Liberty - 35
    Stonehenge - 8

    Can't see why Stonehenge isn't more popular. I think this is potentially one of the most powerful wonders in the game certainly much more so than Chichen Itza, Oracle or Notre Dame. Firstly Stonehenge should guarantee you an early religion and you should be able to choose some powerful beliefs such as Pagoda's and Tithes.

    If you have an averaged sized civ of about 7 cities, pagoda's will add 14 happiness, 14 culture and 14 faith. This is a huge benefit and far more than Notre Dame. The penalty to adding cities in civ 5 is the increase in cost to social policies and technology. The way to counter this is by growing your population and happiness benefits from religion really help to counter this. The snowballing effect from Stonehenge is basically an autopilot to a strong religion which can help with whatever strategy you pursue. The engineer point should make it easy to get an engineer by the medieval/renaissance period.

    Chichen Itza is interesting but the problem is it requires you to have lots of happiness to trigger more frequent golden ages. This can be a headache if you want to plant new cities or grow your cities bigger to boost science.
     
  11. Memoryjar

    Memoryjar Emperor

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    Chichen Itza - 7
    Colossus -24
    Leaning Tower of Pisa - 36
    Machu Picchu - 20
    Neuschwanstein - 25
    Notre Dame - 22 - 3 = 19 : Still never build it. Physics are too far for me. I don't see how I can rush Physics for Notre Dame before AI. And If I have the choice I'd prefer build Machu Pichu.
    Oracle - 24 + 1 = 25 : Must have. Just after NC. Cheap to build.
    Petra - 10
    Sistine Chapel - 33
    Statue of Liberty - 35
    Stonehenge - 8

    I missed something, but where is Eiffel Tower ?
     
  12. Lord Xavius

    Lord Xavius Mostly Lurking

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    Just missing, it should be at 37.
     
  13. Zeekater

    Zeekater hasn't been using drugs

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    Chichen Itza - 7
    Colossus -24
    Eiffel Tower - 37
    Leaning Tower of Pisa - 36
    Machu Picchu - 20
    Neuschwanstein - 25
    Notre Dame - 19
    Oracle - 25 + 1 = 26 - Free social policy? Yes please!
    Petra - 10
    Sistine Chapel - 33
    Statue of Liberty - 35 - 3 = 32 - It's effects are great, but it forces me to take Freedom
    Stonehenge - 8

    Added the Eiffel Tower again, it went missing a page ago for some reason :crazyeye:
     
  14. rawrtrav

    rawrtrav Chieftain

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    Chichen Itza - 7
    Colossus -24
    Eiffel Tower - 37 - 3 = 34
    Leaning Tower of Pisa - 36
    Machu Picchu - 20
    Neuschwanstein - 25
    Notre Dame - 19 + 1 = 20
    Oracle - 26
    Petra - 10
    Sistine Chapel - 33
    Statue of Liberty - 32
    Stonehenge - 8


    Welcome back Eiffel Tower! Now get out of here. Eiffel Tower is useful for a cultural victory, and the +5 happiness is nice, but I find that +5 happiness at this stage of the game is pretty useless cos you should already be in the 30+ happiness area. I'm voting Eiffel Tower down because it seems to be the last wonder in here that is aimed towards a specific VC, all the rest can be used as you want and manipulated to fit your preferred VC, but Eiffel Tower is all about dat CV.


    Notre Dame on the other hand gives you happiness when you most need it. That +10 happiness gives me such a boost at a time where I'm normally struggling for happiness, plus that +4 faith is always useful.
     
  15. Guandao

    Guandao Rajah of Minyue and Langkasuka

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    Chichen Itza - 7+1=8 I'll waste my vote on this, higher difficulties make it impossible to get this, but it's still an awesome wonder, plus I'll admit I play Prince :D
    Colossus -24
    Eiffel Tower - 34
    Leaning Tower of Pisa - 36
    Machu Picchu - 20
    Neuschwanstein - 25-3=22 some maps don't really have mountains (islands), so building this wonder isn't guaranteed, if the mountains are incredibly far away, I see no incentive to settling a late city near them,
    Notre Dame - 20
    Oracle - 26
    Petra - 10
    Sistine Chapel - 33
    Statue of Liberty - 32
    Stonehenge - 8
     
  16. meowschwitz

    meowschwitz Warlord

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    Chichen Itza - 9 I love the Aesthetics of the wonder, the quote, and It's gameplay effect is great for certain civs but still balanced. It's difficult to get, but I like it enough to overlook that.
    Colossus -24
    Eiffel Tower - 34
    Leaning Tower of Pisa - 36
    Machu Picchu - 20
    Neuschwanstein - 25-3=22 some maps don't really have mountains (islands), so building this wonder isn't guaranteed, if the mountains are incredibly far away, I see no incentive to settling a late city near them,
    Notre Dame - 20
    Oracle - 23 Not bad but worse than the rest of these by a little bit.
    Petra - 10
    Sistine Chapel - 33
    Statue of Liberty - 32
    Stonehenge - 8
     
  17. Guandao

    Guandao Rajah of Minyue and Langkasuka

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    Chichen Itza - 9 +1=10 longer golden ages is fun
    Colossus -24-3=21 I deduct points because it requires a coastal city, it does provide some gold, but I find it unnecessary, plus it'll fall apart in fifty years :mischief:
    Eiffel Tower - 34
    Leaning Tower of Pisa - 36
    Machu Picchu - 20
    Neuschwanstein -22
    Notre Dame - 20
    Oracle - 23
    Petra - 10
    Sistine Chapel - 33
    Statue of Liberty - 32
    Stonehenge - 8
     
  18. Zaimejs

    Zaimejs Emperor

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    Pagodas add 2+ per citizen? No... just total per city, right?
     
  19. SemperFi2382

    SemperFi2382 Mitten Marauder

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    Chichen Itza - 10
    Colossus - 21
    Eiffel Tower - 34
    Leaning Tower of Pisa - 36
    Machu Picchu - 20
    Neuschwanstein - 23
    Notre Dame - 20
    Oracle - 23
    Petra - 7
    Sistine Chapel - 33
    Statue of Liberty - 32
    Stonehenge - 8

    Up vote for Neuschwanstein for the bonuses. :goodjob:
    Down vote for Petra because "stupid achievement" :lol:
     
  20. monad

    monad Chieftain

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    Chichen Itza - 10
    Colossus - 21
    Eiffel Tower - 34
    Leaning Tower of Pisa - 36
    Machu Picchu - 20
    Neuschwanstein - 23
    Notre Dame - 20
    Oracle - 23
    Petra - 7
    Sistine Chapel - 33
    Statue of Liberty - 33: significant production boost to all cities allowing your satellites to fully develop with the late-tech buildings
    Stonehenge - 5: Compared to ToA, it's 5 faith vs 10% of total food growth in all cities and 15% ranged unit production (best type of units anyway).. quite a no-brainer decision. No way this still deserves to be here.
     

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