Wonder Elimination Thread

[sendos]

Chichen Itza - 4
Colossus - 11
Eiffel Tower - 34
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 32
Machu Picchu - 11
Neuschwanstein - 27
Oracle - 15 Agree with Jlim. This wonder should have been knocked out earlier. It's great for vanilla and G&K but for BNW, it's best to build NC instead.
Petra - 7 Hang in there, Petra. It's not your time to go, yet! But seriously, if Oracle goes after Petra then others will think: what? Oracle > Petra?
Sistine Chapel - 29 .
Statue of Liberty - 28

 

[PhilBowles]

Phil, I think you're mixing the versions of the Colossus. Prior to BNW, it gave +1 gold/water tile - in BNW it gives a flat +5 gold, plus adds gold to trade routes to the Colossus city.

It's really tough to evaluate its affect in BNW; it adds gold per trade route, but it's also probable that it picks up additional trade routes that that city (and possibly your civ) wouldn't have gotten.

Ah, okay, I was thinking it was identical to the past version, plus the cargo ship and trade route. That does not however alter my argument, since as I pointed out nobody is arguing for the Colossus based on its gold income, or even its effect on gold trade since people appear to be rating it as highly as they are because its cargo ship can be used as a food transport.

Petra unlocks a trade route in exactly the same way, but with a significantly greater additional persistent effect - yes, not using a land trade route means you don't get the bonus Petra adds to that, but just as no one's arguing for the Colossus based on its gold boost, no one's arguing for Petra based on its effect on caravans to the home city.

Sistine Chapel - 29- First "Art Slots", so you dont have to hoard those Great Artists until Museum, Hermitage, etc, costing you valuable tourism or culture.

Not quite (even assuming no cathedrals). The palace has an art slot, and I at least tend not to produce more than one or two artists before I have at least one building to start housing works. Plus, golden ages are worthwhile effects so you don't need to 'hoard' artists. But Sistine Chapel is still very good - three slots of any type is very good for a Wonder that early, and that's ignoring a main effect identical to its pre-BNW incarnation, and which was strong enough by itself to rank the Chapel high in the last Wonder elimination thread.

 

[sendos]

Not quite (even assuming no cathedrals). The palace has an art slot, and I at least tend not to produce more than one or two artists before I have at least one building to start housing works. Plus, golden ages are worthwhile effects so you don't need to 'hoard' artists. But Sistine Chapel is still very good - three slots of any type is very good for a Wonder that early, and that's ignoring a main effect identical to its pre-BNW incarnation, and which was strong enough by itself to rank the Chapel high in the last Wonder elimination thread.

By the time you get a second great artist, about 20 turns would have passed. Jlim is right, with the obvious exception of cathedrals as you mentioned. This is why it's best to build an artist's guild in the Renaissance so you have a slightly better chance of theming the Uffizi and to make use of the great works. Golden ages are only ideal at that time into the game if you are Brazil and you have a decent amount of base tourism (excluding the golden age bonus) or if you are Persia and you are about to launch an attack.

 

[Kurtbob]

Chichen Itza - 4
Colossus - 8
Eiffel Tower - 34
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 32
Machu Picchu - 11
Neuschwanstein - 27
Oracle - 15
Petra - 8
Sistine Chapel - 29 .
Statue of Liberty - 28

The Colossus is off the beaten tech path so I rarely go for it. It's great to get another trade route, but Petra does the same thing. In the right city, Petra can make a city a second capital in terms of production which makes it far better than the Colossus.

 

[SemperFi2382]

Chichen Itza - 4
Colossus - 8
Eiffel Tower - 31
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 32
Machu Picchu - 11
Neuschwanstein - 28
Oracle - 15
Petra - 8
Sistine Chapel - 29 .
Statue of Liberty - 28

Down vote to Eiffel Tower to prevent any crazy leads.
Up vote for Neuschwanstein because the bonuses.

 

[Guandao]

Chichen Itza - 4+1=5 I believe this one should outlast the Oracle, hard to get on difficult levels, but I find it worth rushing with a great engineer
Colossus - 8
Eiffel Tower - 31
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 32
Machu Picchu - 11
Neuschwanstein - 28
Oracle - 15-3=12 to be honest, I often fail to get this wonder, yet one free policy is not much
Petra - 8
Sistine Chapel - 29 .
Statue of Liberty - 28

 

[PhilBowles]

Chichen Itza - 2 - I don't believe it should go before the Oracle. Or before any of the others remaining (save perhaps MP).
Colossus - 8
Eiffel Tower - 31
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 32
Machu Picchu - 11
Neuschwanstein - 28
Oracle - 13 - just to be contrary. The Oracle's not one free policy played right, it's two, because you use it to get the finisher. Most importantly it's a GS point early enough that by the time you hit universities you'll have accumulated a fair discount.
Petra - 8
Sistine Chapel - 29 .
Statue of Liberty - 28

 

[GoStu]

Chichen Itza - 2
Colossus - 8
Eiffel Tower - 31
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 32
Machu Picchu - 11
Neuschwanstein - 29
Oracle - 13
Petra - 8
Sistine Chapel - 29 .
Statue of Liberty - 25

Down vote to Statue of Liberty. Good Wonder, but best effect is for tall empires (my least favorite style) with Freedom (my least favorite ideology).

Upvote for Neuschwanstein. As a wide player, thus thing is so so so much gold.happiness and culture for me.

 

[PhilBowles]

Chichen Itza - 2
Colossus - 8
Eiffel Tower - 31
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 32
Machu Picchu - 11
Neuschwanstein - 29
Oracle - 13
Petra - 8
Sistine Chapel - 29 .
Statue of Liberty - 25

Down vote to Statue of Liberty. Good Wonder, but best effect is for tall empires (my least favorite style)

Isn't this somewhat ironic with an aqueduct for an avatar?

 

[Beaver79]

Chichen Itza - 2
Colossus - 5
Eiffel Tower - 31
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 32
Machu Picchu - 11
Neuschwanstein - 29
Oracle - 13
Petra - 8
Sistine Chapel - 29
Statue of Liberty - 26

I think the gold ones are nice, but not game changing, at least compared to the rest. SOL is my pick for the best, wide empires have specialists too, especially since they went freedom for this wonder.

 

[Kurtbob]

Chichen Itza - 3
Colossus - 2
Eiffel Tower - 31
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 32
Machu Picchu - 11
Neuschwanstein - 29
Oracle - 13
Petra - 8
Sistine Chapel - 29
Statue of Liberty - 26

No way Colossus is better than Chichen Itza. This needs to be remedied.

 

[SemperFi2382]

Chichen Itza - 3
Colossus - 0
Eiffel Tower - 31
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 32
Machu Picchu - 11
Neuschwanstein - 30
Oracle - 13
Petra - 8
Sistine Chapel - 29
Statue of Liberty - 26

Up vote for Neuschwanstein because of the bonuses.
Kicked Colossus over because it's good, but not great compared to what's left.

 

[seanflokstra7]

Chichen Itza - 3
Eiffel Tower - 31
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 32
Machu Picchu - 11
Neuschwanstein - 30
Oracle - 13 + 1= 14: I like the oracle, it just helps me a lot
Petra - 8 - 3= 5: I just don't like this wonder
Sistine Chapel - 29
Statue of Liberty - 26

 

[jlim201]

Chichen Itza - 4- Save Chichen Itza. The Golden Age Bonus is huge, happiness is always important.
Eiffel Tower - 31
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 32
Machu Picchu - 11
Neuschwanstein - 30
Oracle - 11- The Oracle is a typical new player wonder. It looks pleasing to see that you will get something free and culture also seems important.
Petra -5:
Sistine Chapel - 29
Statue of Liberty - 26

 

[BrotherInJah]

Chichen Itza - 4 - 3 = 1
Eiffel Tower - 31 +1 = 32
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 32
Machu Picchu - 11
Neuschwanstein - 30
Oracle - 11
Petra - 5
Sistine Chapel - 29
Statue of Liberty - 26

Cause there are a bunch of happy wonders left i will give votes among them. If you get time in cosiderations when u gains access to certain wonder CI is best one (longer GA is a plus). But ET is so much helpful against those lux bans in late game, and doesn't get the restrictions that Neus. have. In other hand Neus works fine in all types of empire when ET works extremely good on talls (and Poland). I play mix tall/wide so ET works perfect to me, and for CI i'm to late to get it.

 

[Memoryjar]

Chichen Itza - 1
Eiffel Tower - 32
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 32
Machu Picchu - 11 - 3 = 8 : Really love it. Give some cash, and AI doesn't really love it, except specific civs. Just, if I have to choose, i'd prefer to build other resting wonders.
Neuschwanstein - 30
Oracle - 11 + 1 = 12 : Must have, as necessary as a granary, for me.
Petra - 5
Sistine Chapel - 29
Statue of Liberty - 26

 

[layelaye]

Chichen Itza - 1
Eiffel Tower - 32 - 3 = 29 this is just an overrated wonder really.
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 32
Machu Picchu - 8
Neuschwanstein - 30
Oracle - 12 + 1 = 13 this is a FREE policy (unlike what someone here said) and also gives +3 culture and a GS point. that extra free policy is great towards whatever victory condition you are planning.
Petra - 5
Sistine Chapel - 29
Statue of Liberty - 26

 

[jlim201]

It says free policy, but your next policy cost still goes up. So technically it gives you a policy immediately, but delays the one you would have got without the Oracle.

 

[NoOneImportant]

It says free policy, but your next policy cost still goes up. So technically it gives you a policy immediately, but delays the one you would have got without the Oracle.

I'm pretty sure this is not the case (unlike with Great People) and the policy is completely free.

 

[Dr. D]

It says free policy, but your next policy cost still goes up. So technically it gives you a policy immediately, but delays the one you would have got without the Oracle.

Not true. It is completely free.