Wonder Elimination Thread

[Cahillicus]

Eiffel Tower : 27
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 28 Useful to get a great engineer and get the uffizi, porcelain tower, or forbidden palace
Hubble Space Telescope- 22
Neuschwanstein - 17 Weakest of the group, in my opinion
Petra - 5
Sistine Chapel - 30
Statue of Liberty - 18

 

[Shalvan]

Eiffel Tower : 27
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 28+1=29 Free great person is just great. Very flexible, can give either a quick boost or a long term benefit.
Hubble Space Telescope- 22
Neuschwanstein - 17
Petra - 5-3=2 - insanely hard to get on high difficulties, can be very strong but can be detrimental to your game if you use a lot of resources to get it and fail.
Sistine Chapel - 30
Statue of Liberty - 18

 

[ilikepie333]

Eiffel Tower : 27
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 29
Hubble Space Telescope- 22+1=23 - Two great scientists + other buffs is extremely helpful, science game or otherwise.
Neuschwanstein - 17
Petra - 2-3= -1 DEAD - I'm going to end this Petra-supporting nonsense and kill this now. The lesson should be to not settle cities in desert. While it can be helpful, it is a wasted GE in most cases (the desert city usually doesn't have the prod necessary)
Sistine Chapel - 30
Statue of Liberty - 18

 

[jlim201]

Eiffel Tower : 27
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 29
Hubble Space Telescope-24- Helps you get the science victory faster, as I like to get victories faster. You would likely beeline Rocketry when going science, and Satellites is just one tech ahead.
Neuschwanstein - 14- Honestly, it is a good wonder, it just requires something else for optimal bonus.
Sistine Chapel - 30
Statue of Liberty - 18

 

[Doctor Doom]

Eiffel Tower : 27
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 26 I'd rather grab Sistine Chapel...
Hubble Space Telescope- 25 One of my personal favorite wonders, Oxford into Satellites then hubble space telescope is very powerful to keep the tech lead
Neuschwanstein - 14
Sistine Chapel - 30
Statue of Liberty - 18

 

[SemperFi2382]

Eiffel Tower : 27
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 26
Hubble Space Telescope - 25
Neuschwanstein - 15
Sistine Chapel - 30
Statue of Liberty - 15

Up vote for Neuschwanstein because I still think it's one of the better wonders, and it comes earlier so it can make a bigger impact overall.

Down vote for the Statue of Liberty. While it is a great wonder, just not feeling it for this vote.

 

[Kurtbob]

Eiffel Tower : 27
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 27 Good timing and the most flexible wonder in the game.
Hubble Space Telescope - 22 Most games are over before this wonder becomes available. Really, its not a wonder 'I must have', in fact, its usually never built in my games.
Neuschwanstein - 15
Sistine Chapel - 30
Statue of Liberty - 15

 

[Stealth Bumbler]

Eiffel Tower : 27
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 27+1=28
Hubble Space Telescope - 22
Neuschwanstein - 15-3=12
Sistine Chapel - 30
Statue of Liberty - 15

Downvoting Neuschwanstein. I build it every once in awhile, but you never *need* it. Easy to get, and often a CS quest, but it's gravy rather than a main course. Of all the remaining wonders, this is the one that most clearly doesn't belong anymore.

It's a tough choice on what to upvote now, but I'm going leaning tower this round. Equally useful for any VC, and heading to the tech isn't a bad idea if you want to get the WC founded.

 

[Cahillicus]

Eiffel Tower : 27
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 29 Very flexible, good to get one of those nice renaissance wonders w/ a great engineer.
Hubble Space Telescope - 22
Neuschwanstein - 9 It a good wonder, but not the best in this list.
Sistine Chapel - 30
Statue of Liberty - 15

 

[Zaimejs]

Eiffel Tower : 27
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 30
Hubble Space Telescope - 22
Neuschwanstein - 9 It a good wonder, but not the best in this list.
Sistine Chapel - 27 I just don't think it's very valuable to me.
Statue of Liberty - 15

 

[PhilBowles]

Eiffel Tower : 27
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 31
Hubble Space Telescope - 22
Neuschwanstein - 6
Sistine Chapel - 27
Statue of Liberty - 15

There's only one Wonder left that you can really build strategies around - it's a general rule that a strong, early Wonder is better than a strong, late Wonder, and LT is both very strong and earlier than any of the remaining Wonders.

I could happily drop nearly any of the others at this point - only Chapel and Eiffel are particularly desirable. But Neuchwanstein looks to be the next to go, and probably deservedly so - it looks strong, but even in a fairly wide empire none of those bonuses makes a particularly large difference at its game stage. When looked at in isolation, Neuschwanstein provides huge bonuses to three resources, but the better Wonders (save Eiffel) do more than just add X of Y (which is why Statue of Liberty should be the next to go after it).

 

[Zaimejs]

What's weird is that none of these are really "early" wonders... all the early powerhouses are gone.

 

[GoStu]

Eiffel Tower : 27
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 31
Hubble Space Telescope - 19
Neuschwanstein - 7
Sistine Chapel - 27
Statue of Liberty - 15

Upvote for Neuschwanstein. I'm a warmonger at heart, and this Wonder makes a world of difference to me. I tend to have a lot of cities and go Order or Autocracy. My puppets tend to build their own Castles, and I do tend to keep a bunch of puppets around, only annexing as budget for courthouses or Happiness allows. The Castles are going to get built anyways if I play Autocracy, because I need them for Fortified Borders. The amount of Happiness this wonder gives me can make the difference between continuing a campaign to victory, or having to pause to bring Happiness in line. The added Culture is good for resisting ideology pressure, which in the early Modern period could potentially hurt. The Gold is... Well, a lot of gold. I can't think of any other Wonder left on the list that makes such a big difference in my games.

Downvote to Hubble. While I'll build it any time I can, I just really don't like what it does to the metagame overall. It's the nail in the coffin for a science leader's lead. All this Wonder does is make a science runaway even harder to beat as they can build spaceship parts faster and get the techs ~14 turns sooner.

Also, for the sake of the contest I don't want to keep a Wonder in that was accidentally dropped for like 200 votes. Doesn't seem fair.

 

[PhilBowles]

What's weird is that none of these are really "early" wonders... all the early powerhouses are gone.

Yes, I was astonished to come to the thread and find Hanging Gardens nowhere in sight (no, it's not "just a cargo ship" - it doesn't use a trade route, doesn't need you to build a cargo ship, isn't at risk from plunderers. Granted it's probably not as good relatively speaking as it was pre-BNW, but it's certainly still among the game's best Wonders).

But the fate and arguments regarding Petra, and 'Oracle vs. Statue of Liberty - SoL gives you a policy plus stuff' on this thread suggest a general lack of appreciation for the importance of timing.

 

[PhilBowles]

Eiffel Tower : 27
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 31
Hubble Space Telescope - 19
Neuschwanstein - 7
Sistine Chapel - 27
Statue of Liberty - 15

Upvote for Neuschwanstein. I'm a warmonger at heart, and this Wonder makes a world of difference to me. I tend to have a lot of cities and go Order or Autocracy. My puppets tend to build their own Castles, and I do tend to keep a bunch of puppets around, only annexing as budget for courthouses or Happiness allows. The Castles are going to get built anyways if I play Autocracy, because I need them for Fortified Borders. The amount of Happiness this wonder gives me can make the difference between continuing a campaign to victory, or having to pause to bring Happiness in line. The added Culture is good for resisting ideology pressure, which in the early Modern period could potentially hurt. The Gold is... Well, a lot of gold. I can't think of any other Wonder left on the list that makes such a big difference in my games.

Downvote to Hubble. While I'll build it any time I can, I just really don't like what it does to the metagame overall. It's the nail in the coffin for a science leader's lead. All this Wonder does is make a science runaway even harder to beat as they can build spaceship parts faster and get the techs ~14 turns sooner.

Also, for the sake of the contest I don't want to keep a Wonder in that was accidentally dropped for like 200 votes. Doesn't seem fair.

Well, it does need to be eliminated properly but it's perhaps telling that it was gone for 200 votes and nobody noticed...

I can see some case for Neuschwanstein for Autocracy, but I'd presume you'd be reaping a fortune from city connections by that point, and what do you even need all that gold for? You don't need to maintain that many units and aren't going to be signing RAs.

 

[GhostSalsa]

You don't need to maintain that many units and aren't going to be signing RAs.

Both castles and high unit count raise army strength score and theoretically help with Gunboat Diplomacy, so there's that. Gunboat Diplomacy really hasn't been my friend on Immortal though when 5 destroyers are just ignore because there's always one Freedom civ with their stupid Mobile Sams and giant death cities in the slot above me. I hate Freedom so much.

 

[GoStu]

Well, it does need to be eliminated properly but it's perhaps telling that it was gone for 200 votes and nobody noticed...

I can see some case for Neuschwanstein for Autocracy, but I'd presume you'd be reaping a fortune from city connections by that point, and what do you even need all that gold for? You don't need to maintain that many units and aren't going to be signing RAs.

City-state alliances, bribes for other people to go to war, buying courthouses, buying happiness buildings, buying units for two-front wars, airports in forward cites to stream in reinforcements. There's always more to do with more money

 

[reddishrecue]

Eiffel Tower : 27
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 31
Hubble Space Telescope - 19 +1=20
Neuschwanstein - 7 - 3= 4
Sistine Chapel - 27
Statue of Liberty - 15

Neuschwanstein gets less points because its not always available when one lacks mountain access.
Hubble Space Station gets the point because you get 2 great scientists that help out for much needed late techs and/or space victory.

 

[SemperFi2382]

Eiffel Tower : 27
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 31
Hubble Space Telescope - 17
Neuschwanstein - 5
Sistine Chapel - 27
Statue of Liberty - 15

Up vote for Neuschwanstein because the bonuses are good, and I've had far more good luck using it than not.

Down vote for Hubble because I do not always find it to be as useful. By the time it rolls around for me, I've got Rationalism filled out and I generally have plenty of faith to spawn out a pair of GS by then anyway.

 

[Kurtbob]

Eiffel Tower : 27
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 32 Same as my last post.
Hubble Space Telescope - 14 Same as my last post.
Neuschwanstein - 5
Sistine Chapel - 27
Statue of Liberty - 15