Wonder Elimination Thread

Eiffel Tower : 27
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 32
Hubble Space Telescope - 15- Others have said "I have enough faith", "I dont need so many scientists", I already have enough science". Yes, you can get GS with faith, but you usually always want more. You usually wont get all the other space part techs before satellites so this helps you get it faster.
Neuschwanstein - 2- Requires a mountain, not good for tall empires.
Sistine Chapel - 27
Statue of Liberty - 15
 
Eiffel Tower : 27
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 32
Hubble Space Telescope - 12
Neuschwanstein - 3
Sistine Chapel - 27
Statue of Liberty - 15

Point to neuschwanstein. I think I've explained at length how much I like this wonder for wide play, or warmonger play. The restriction to mountain towns is not a bother at all. I always have a town somewhere near a mountain, for observatories or just for building Macchu Picchu and this wonder.

Down vote for Hubble again. It's something that puts a runaway farther ahead, but never really changes the course of a game per se. It just shuts out competition.
 
Eiffel Tower : 27
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 33
Hubble Space Telescope - 12
Neuschwanstein - 2
Sistine Chapel - 27
Statue of Liberty - 15

Ps I do not understand how the Pentagon can be considered wonder.
 
Eiffel Tower : 27
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 34
Hubble Space Telescope - 9
Sistine Chapel - 27
Statue of Liberty - 16

Poor Pentagon - if it gave you like a 3 turn window of totally free upgrades that would be cool - not much more useful than the late-game discount but at least more interesting and novel.

Hubble bugs me for hiding from votes for so long. But also I don't find the two free scientists that impressive - if I'm going for spaceship I usually have all cities filled out with science specialists and about to pop GS - I never do the hard calculations but my guess is that in most cases I would have popped one more GS without the two from the Hubble (and their cost raising) than I do when I get it (which is still usually two more before launch). Free GP are always a mixed bag.

Upvote for SoL even though I down-voted it before, just to be contrary. I don't like it better than Petra but I still like it. Hammers are the best.
 
Itfan said:
Eiffel Tower : 27
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 33
Hubble Space Telescope - 12
Neuschwanstein - 2
Sistine Chapel - 27
Statue of Liberty - 15

Ps I do not understand how the Pentagon can be considered wonder.
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Blame that one on Civ IV - it escapes the rest of us too.

But while it's added some very worthy Wonders (Petra, Borobudur, Hubble), Civ V has set the bar as low as it gets with the Great Firewall and Prora. Seems pretty much anything goes now...
 
Eiffel Tower : 24
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 35
Hubble Space Telescope - 9
Sistine Chapel - 27
Statue of Liberty - 16

Yes, Hubble and the Statue both deserve to go soon, but Eiffel is in danger of ending up higher than it deserves simply by being neglected in votes until we reach the very last three, so down it goes.

Up for Leaning Tower, because at this stage there really isn't any contest - it might be a tougher call between Pisa and some of the prematurely-departed Wonders, but it's far and away the best of the Wonders still in the list.
 
PhilBowles said:
Blame that one on Civ IV - it escapes the rest of us too.

But while it's added some very worthy Wonders (Petra, Borobudur, Hubble), Civ V has set the bar as low as it gets with the Great Firewall and Prora. Seems pretty much anything goes now...
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I think Prora and the Great Firewall are added more for gameplay reasons than any real love of them. Autocracy needed an ideology wonder, and that's probably the least tasteless of the lot. As to the Firewall, a counter to the Internet is something useful, and the Great Firewall is a logical pick for that.

As to the Pentagon, THAT is a lousy Wonder.
 
Eiffel Tower : 24
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 36 Same reason as before.
Hubble Space Telescope - 6 Same reason as before.
Sistine Chapel - 27
Statue of Liberty - 16
 
Eiffel Tower : 24
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 36
Hubble Space Telescope - 3
Sistine Chapel - 28
Statue of Liberty - 16

Down vote to Hubble. If you need the GS at this stage, then it's fine, but I've never had it win the game for me.

Up vote to the Sistine Chapel. The bonus is nice, and having 2 slots for a theming bonus from GW is even better.
 
Eiffel Tower : 24
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 36 +3 39 Because it's the only good one left :)
Hubble Space Telescope - 0 Goodnight.
Sistine Chapel - 28
Statue of Liberty - 16
 
Zaimejs said:
Eiffel Tower : 24
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 36 +3 39 Because it's the only good one left :)
Hubble Space Telescope - 0 Goodnight.
Sistine Chapel - 28
Statue of Liberty - 16
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It's not +3, Proper scores are as follows:

Eiffel Tower - 24
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 37
Sistine Chapel - 28
Statue of Liberty - 16

I must say that I'm surprised that Eiffel has hung on this long. The +12 Tourism and +5 Happiness is nice, but I don't think it's better than Petra, Colossus, Neuschwanstein, or a few others. The others don't surprise me as I quite like them all.
 
Eiffel Tower - 24 - 3 = 21
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 37 + 1 = 38
Sistine Chapel - 28
Statue of Liberty - 16


I have to agree with the above. Sure, +5 happiness is always nice, but at this point in the game you should normally have plenty of happiness anyway. +12 tourism is useful, if not just because it offers a nice barrier so that other tourism-heavy civ's can't blitz you, but compared to everything else left there's no comparison.

The Leaning Tower of Pisa is the only wonder left which I actually try to build every game. +25% to great people, and a free great person? Yes please.
 
Eiffel Tower - 18- I build all these wonders often, but this wonder has the least benefit because it only provides something straight up.
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 39- Basically a free wonder because when you build it, you can get an engineer to rush another wonder.
Sistine Chapel - 28
Statue of Liberty - 16
 
Eiffel Tower - 18
Leaning Tower of Pisa - 40
Sistine Chapel - 28
Statue of Liberty - 13

While it's getting predictable, Pisa is the only one of these worthy of the top slot; Sistine Chapel needs to be no. 2, but so far it doesn't need the help.

Having made it this far, the Statue is heavily overrated. At most, it will get you +18 production in your primary specialist city - a city that is probably not your main production city, and a bonus comparable with the production output alone from Petra in the mid-to-late game, from a much more expensive, much later Wonder. In Civ V it helps to specialise; trading what amounts to a large number of hammers in one place needed to produce the Statue for much the same (or less) overall production output dispersed across your empire produces too little to be useful in any of those cities. It's not even the best production Wonder, so why is it still here?
 
PhilBowles said:
trading what amounts to a large number of hammers in one place needed to produce the Statue for much the same (or less) overall production output dispersed across your empire produces too little to be useful in any of those cities. It's not even the best production Wonder, so why is it still here?
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because science victory - the player building Statue of Liberty usually isn't pressured for building or unit needs anymore and is just racing to internet or spaceship techs, there's no opportunity costs for the current hammers so there's no real "trade" to speak of.
 
PhilBowles said:
Having made it this far, the Statue is heavily overrated. At most, it will get you +18 production in your primary specialist city - a city that is probably not your main production city, and a bonus comparable with the production output alone from Petra in the mid-to-late game, from a much more expensive, much later Wonder. In Civ V it helps to specialise; trading what amounts to a large number of hammers in one place needed to produce the Statue for much the same (or less) overall production output dispersed across your empire produces too little to be useful in any of those cities. It's not even the best production Wonder, so why is it still here?
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Well, for a freedom Civ it's probably going to be about equal to another Ironworks per city. The extra social policy is quite nice too, at this point you can use it for something big like a second or third level Ideological Tenet. I play Wide and Order or Autocracy most of the time and I still like stealing this Wonder. My puppets working Merchants get Production, and my core cities are nicely boosted.

Also as GhostSalsa said, a Freedom Civ in a good position probably doesn't have a lot else to build at this time. I've had a capital just generating Research at this point before, so I snagged Lady Liberty at little opportunity cost.

Overall I've got no objection to it finishing high, although certainly not first.
 
GhostSalsa said:
because science victory - the player building Statue of Liberty usually isn't pressured for building or unit needs anymore and is just racing to internet or spaceship techs, there's no opportunity costs for the current hammers so there's no real "trade" to speak of.
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If you're in that position, the same applies as with Hubble - you've already won, so who cares? And what do you want production for if you have nothing left to build? "An extra Ironworks in every city" would be great at Machinery, but +8 production per turn is meaningless for spaceship parts (which (a) you aren't going to be building outside your production city and/or capital, and (b) you can buy instead anyway, since you're going Freedom). It might be a useful contribution towards the International Space Station (which for some reason was excluded from the poll altogether), but that's not exactly a gamechanging bonus itself.

Sure it's a decent Wonder, but in no way does it belong in the top 5, possibly not in the top 10.
 
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