Wonder Elimination Thread

[DeathwatchBob]

Big Ben- 17
Borobudur- 21
Brandenburg Gate-21
Broadway- 20
Chichen Itza- 20
CN Tower- 9
Colossus- 21
Cristo Redentor- 14
Eiffel Tower- 21
Forbidden Palace- 23
Globe Theater- 20
Great Firewall- 17
Great Library- 22
Great Lighthouse- 20
Great Mosque of D'jenne- 20
Great Wall- 17
Hagia Sophia- 20
Hanging Gardens- 21
Himeji Castle- 20
Hubble Space Telescope- 22
Kremlin- 20
Leaning Tower- 22
Louvre- 20
Machu Picchu- 20
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus- 21
Neuschwanstein- 20
Notre Dame- 21
Oracle- 24
Parthenon- 20
Petra- 22
Porcelain Tower- 21
Prora- 20
Pyramids- 18
Red Fort- 14
Sistine Chapel-20
Statue Of Liberty- 21
Statue of Zeus- 17
Stonehenge- 19
Sydney Opera House- 17
Taj Mahal- 20
Temple of Artemis- 21
Terracotta Army- 11

I build the Oracle almost every single game. A free social policy at the beginning of the game is great for getting the finisher of your starting tree asap.

Speaking of social policies,10% discount near the end of the game? If great scientists were fixed to be like musicians it 'might' become useful, but probably not.

 

[Fredgerd]

I'm still not fully convinced about the Pentagon or the CN tower getting all the flak those wonders are getting. Sure, they aren't great in themselves, but you don't lose very much by building them either. In my Poland game, I had a great engineer doing nothing near the end of the game. Should I give one of my cities +4 production with a landmark (which is near useless end game), or should I use my engineer on the CN tower? Even if the benefit isn't huge, I'm giving up almost nothing by building this, so why not get free broadcast towers in all my cities? Seems like a wonder worth building to me.

Probably a fair assessment. I definitely agree on CN tower.

If opportunity cost is to be factored in, then I'd probably lean toward saying either Parthenon or Borobudor. Both of those tend to come at the expense of much better wonders (Oracle and Great Mosque/Hagia Sofia) so I tend to never build them.

 

[Matthew.]

Big Ben- 18
Borobudur- 21
Brandenburg Gate-21
Broadway- 20
Chichen Itza- 20
CN Tower- 9
Colossus- 21
Cristo Redentor- 14
Eiffel Tower- 21
Forbidden Palace- 23
Globe Theater- 20
Great Firewall- 17
Great Library- 22
Great Lighthouse- 20
Great Mosque of D'jenne- 17
Great Wall- 17
Hagia Sophia- 20
Hanging Gardens- 21
Himeji Castle- 20
Hubble Space Telescope- 22
Kremlin- 20
Leaning Tower- 22
Louvre- 20
Machu Picchu- 20
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus- 21
Neuschwanstein- 20
Notre Dame- 21
Oracle- 24
Parthenon- 20
Petra- 22
Porcelain Tower- 21
Prora- 20
Pyramids- 18
Red Fort- 14
Sistine Chapel-20
Statue Of Liberty- 21
Statue of Zeus- 17
Stonehenge- 19
Sydney Opera House- 17
Taj Mahal- 20
Temple of Artemis- 21
Terracotta Army- 11

Who dareth down vote Big Ben so early?! This stacked with Mercantilism and your choice of units or buildings in Auto/Order, and rush-buying late-game stuff no longer breaks the bank. I'd say it even got better in BNW, since I find myself attempting to get factories sooner for the earlier Ideology bonuses and Big Ben unlocks on the same tech.

Djenne is useful in theory, but it is a high-competition wonder with little pay-out. Unless you plan on spamming missionaries, you are basically stuck with a very hammer-expensive mosque and that is it.

 

[Sake]

Big Ben- 18
Borobudur- 21
Brandenburg Gate-21
Broadway- 20
Chichen Itza- 20
CN Tower- 6 - Yea, if you have 20 cities this might still do something, but even then it effects very little. It's on cultural/diplo path but it helps with neither of them (if you are going for culture, and don't have broadcast towers everywhere by the time you research telecommunications, you're doing something wrong).
Colossus- 21
Cristo Redentor- 14
Eiffel Tower- 21
Forbidden Palace- 23
Globe Theater- 20
Great Firewall- 17
Great Library- 22
Great Lighthouse- 20
Great Mosque of D'jenne- 17
Great Wall- 17
Hagia Sophia- 20
Hanging Gardens- 21
Himeji Castle- 20
Hubble Space Telescope- 22
Kremlin- 20
Leaning Tower- 22
Louvre- 20
Machu Picchu- 20
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus- 21
Neuschwanstein- 20
Notre Dame- 21
Oracle- 25 - Not only this is great wonder, AI doesn't prioritize it at all, so it's easy to get.
Parthenon- 20
Petra- 22
Porcelain Tower- 21
Prora- 20
Pyramids- 18
Red Fort- 14
Sistine Chapel-20
Statue Of Liberty- 21
Statue of Zeus- 17
Stonehenge- 19
Sydney Opera House- 17
Taj Mahal- 20
Temple of Artemis- 21
Terracotta Army- 11

 

[jlim201]

Big Ben- 18
Borobudur- 21
Brandenburg Gate-21
Broadway- 20
Chichen Itza- 20
CN Tower- 6 -
Colossus- 21
Cristo Redentor- 14
Eiffel Tower- 22- The happiness and culture is good, and some tourism is good, even if not going culture.
Forbidden Palace- 23
Globe Theater- 20
Great Firewall- 17
Great Library- 22
Great Lighthouse- 20
Great Mosque of D'jenne- 17
Great Wall- 17
Hagia Sophia- 20
Hanging Gardens- 21
Himeji Castle- 20
Hubble Space Telescope- 22
Kremlin- 20
Leaning Tower- 22
Louvre- 20
Machu Picchu- 20
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus- 21
Neuschwanstein- 20
Notre Dame- 21
Oracle- 25 -
Parthenon- 20
Petra- 22
Porcelain Tower- 21
Prora- 20
Pyramids- 18
Red Fort- 14
Sistine Chapel-20
Statue Of Liberty- 21
Statue of Zeus- 17
Stonehenge- 19
Sydney Opera House- 17
Taj Mahal- 20
Temple of Artemis- 21
Terracotta Army- 8- Not good for dom victory, you can usually produce the units it gives you faster than the wonder takes.

 

[striker4life360]

Big Ben- 18
Borobudur- 21
Brandenburg Gate-21
Broadway- 20
Chichen Itza- 20
CN Tower- 6 -
Colossus- 21
Cristo Redentor- 14
Eiffel Tower- 22
Forbidden Palace- 23
Globe Theater- 20
Great Firewall- 17
Great Library- 22
Great Lighthouse- 20
Great Mosque of D'jenne- 17
Great Wall- 17
Hagia Sophia- 20
Hanging Gardens- 21
Himeji Castle- 20
Hubble Space Telescope- 22
Kremlin- 17
Leaning Tower- 22
Louvre- 20
Machu Picchu- 20
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus- 21
Neuschwanstein- 20
Notre Dame- 21
Oracle- 25 -
Parthenon- 20
Petra- 22
Porcelain Tower- 21
Prora- 20
Pyramids- 18
Red Fort- 14
Sistine Chapel-20
Statue Of Liberty- 22
Statue of Zeus- 17
Stonehenge- 19
Sydney Opera House- 17
Taj Mahal- 20
Temple of Artemis- 21
Terracotta Army- 8

Kremlin is their to balance out op ideology but everyone goes order so their is less chance of the free social policy

SoL does half of what the International space station does but, does it way better.

 

[Jernfrau]

Big Ben- 18
Borobudur- 21
Brandenburg Gate-21
Broadway- 20
Chichen Itza- 20
CN Tower- 6 -
Colossus- 21
Cristo Redentor- 14
Eiffel Tower- 22
Forbidden Palace- 23
Globe Theater- 20
Great Firewall- 17
Great Library- 22
Great Lighthouse- 20
Great Mosque of D'jenne- 17
Great Wall- 17
Hagia Sophia- 20
Hanging Gardens- 21
Himeji Castle- 20
Hubble Space Telescope- 22
Kremlin- 17
Leaning Tower- 22
Louvre- 20
Machu Picchu- 21
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus- 21
Neuschwanstein- 20
Notre Dame- 21
Oracle- 25 -
Parthenon- 20
Petra- 22
Porcelain Tower- 21
Prora- 20
Pyramids- 18
Red Fort- 14
Sistine Chapel-20
Statue Of Liberty- 22
Statue of Zeus- 17
Stonehenge- 19
Sydney Opera House- 17
Taj Mahal- 20
Temple of Artemis- 21
Terracotta Army- 5

Great to get the extra money from roads
The new cost is too much to handle early game

 

[VicRatlhead5199]

Big Ben- 18
Borobudur- 21
Brandenburg Gate-21
Broadway- 20
Chichen Itza- 20
CN Tower- 3 Not so much that it's a bad wonder but its placement on the tech tree just makes its impact very very small.
Colossus- 22 really good wonder since BNW. The free trade ship basically means it only costs 85 hammers to build.
Cristo Redentor- 14
Eiffel Tower- 22
Forbidden Palace- 23
Globe Theater- 20
Great Firewall- 17
Great Library- 22
Great Lighthouse- 20
Great Mosque of D'jenne- 17
Great Wall- 17
Hagia Sophia- 20
Hanging Gardens- 21
Himeji Castle- 20
Hubble Space Telescope- 22
Kremlin- 17
Leaning Tower- 22
Louvre- 20
Machu Picchu- 21
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus- 21
Neuschwanstein- 20
Notre Dame- 21
Oracle- 25 -
Parthenon- 20
Petra- 22
Porcelain Tower- 21
Prora- 20
Pyramids- 18
Red Fort- 14
Sistine Chapel-20
Statue Of Liberty- 22
Statue of Zeus- 17
Stonehenge- 19
Sydney Opera House- 17
Taj Mahal- 20
Temple of Artemis- 21
Terracotta Army- 5

 

[NoOneImportant]

Big Ben- 18
Borobudur- 21
Brandenburg Gate-21
Broadway- 20
Chichen Itza- 20
CN Tower- 0 You are not going to be missed.
Colossus- 22
Cristo Redentor- 14
Eiffel Tower- 22
Forbidden Palace- 23
Globe Theater- 20
Great Firewall- 17
Great Library- 22
Great Lighthouse- 20
Great Mosque of D'jenne- 17
Great Wall- 17
Hagia Sophia- 20
Hanging Gardens- 21
Himeji Castle- 20
Hubble Space Telescope- 22
Kremlin- 17
Leaning Tower- 22
Louvre- 20
Machu Picchu- 21
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus- 21
Neuschwanstein- 20
Notre Dame- 21
Oracle- 25
Parthenon- 20
Petra- 22
Porcelain Tower- 21
Prora- 20
Pyramids- 18
Red Fort- 14
Sistine Chapel-20
Statue Of Liberty- 23 The best of all ideology wonders and one of the numerous selling points for Freedom.
Statue of Zeus- 17
Stonehenge- 19
Sydney Opera House- 17
Taj Mahal- 20
Temple of Artemis- 21
Terracotta Army- 5

 

[Teagen]

Big Ben- 18
Borobudur- 21
Brandenburg Gate-21
Broadway- 20
Chichen Itza- 20
Colossus- 22
Cristo Redentor- 14
Eiffel Tower- 22
Forbidden Palace- 23
Globe Theater- 20
Great Firewall- 17
Great Library- 22
Great Lighthouse- 20
Great Mosque of D'jenne- 17
Great Wall- 17
Hagia Sophia- 20
Hanging Gardens- 21
Himeji Castle- 20
Hubble Space Telescope- 22
Kremlin- 17
Leaning Tower- 23 Solid wonder you can't go wrong with
Louvre- 20
Machu Picchu- 21
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus- 21
Neuschwanstein- 20
Notre Dame- 21
Oracle- 25
Parthenon- 20
Petra- 22
Porcelain Tower- 21
Prora- 20
Pyramids- 18
Red Fort- 14
Sistine Chapel-20
Statue Of Liberty- 23
Statue of Zeus- 17
Stonehenge- 19
Sydney Opera House- 17
Taj Mahal- 20
Temple of Artemis- 21
Terracotta Army- 2 Never could figure out how to make use of this

 

[Sake]

Big Ben- 18
Borobudur- 21
Brandenburg Gate-21
Broadway- 20
Chichen Itza- 20
Colossus- 22
Cristo Redentor- 14
Eiffel Tower- 22
Forbidden Palace- 23
Globe Theater- 20
Great Firewall- 17
Great Library- 22
Great Lighthouse- 20
Great Mosque of D'jenne- 17
Great Wall- 17
Hagia Sophia- 20
Hanging Gardens- 21
Himeji Castle- 20
Hubble Space Telescope- 22
Kremlin- 17
Leaning Tower- 23
Louvre- 20
Machu Picchu- 21
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus- 21
Neuschwanstein- 20
Notre Dame- 21
Oracle- 25
Parthenon- 20
Petra- 22
Porcelain Tower- 21
Prora- 21 - Inclusion of this wonder in BNW got a lot of hate. Did Prora deserve spot in game or not, wonder itself is very nice. Warmongers absolutely need happiness, and this wonder gives lot of it. And since only warmongers go autocrazy, this wonder is really helpful. Second best ideology wonder.
Pyramids- 18
Red Fort- 14
Sistine Chapel-20
Statue Of Liberty- 23
Statue of Zeus- 17
Stonehenge- 19
Sydney Opera House- 17
Taj Mahal- 20
Temple of Artemis- 21
Terracotta Army- 0 - Sounds nice on paper, but isn't that good in-game. To maximise potential of this wonder, you should have at least 3 or 4 unit types, and since getting units takes time, it's really hard to actually use this wonder effectively (AI builds it rather early). This might be useful for Germany though (multiply hand-axes etc.)

 

[Teagen]

Hmm..pretty much all the crappy wonders are gone. This will be hard to vote in now

 

[aerobob]

Big Ben- 18
Borobudur- 21
Brandenburg Gate-21
Broadway- 20
Chichen Itza- 20
Colossus- 22
Cristo Redentor- 14
Eiffel Tower- 22
Forbidden Palace- 24 - I like this wonder because it allows me to snowball control of the WC. Usually I propose world religion first, and with the FP I'm pretty much guaranteed the win (with maybe one or two buy-offs of guys without a religion). After that, with the extra base delegates from FP and religion it's pretty easy to do whatever suits my victory condition
Globe Theater- 20
Great Firewall- 17
Great Library- 22
Great Lighthouse- 20
Great Mosque of D'jenne- 17
Great Wall- 17
Hagia Sophia- 20
Hanging Gardens- 21
Himeji Castle- 20
Hubble Space Telescope- 22
Kremlin- 14 - I just find that I don't depend on city defense very much. If I'm turtleling for a DV, CV, or science then I'd rather have my production (and number of specicialist) focused on other stuff.
Leaning Tower- 23
Louvre- 20
Machu Picchu- 21
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus- 21
Neuschwanstein- 20
Notre Dame- 21
Oracle- 25
Parthenon- 20
Petra- 22
Porcelain Tower- 21
Prora- 21 -
Pyramids- 18
Red Fort- 14
Sistine Chapel-20
Statue Of Liberty- 23
Statue of Zeus- 17
Stonehenge- 19
Sydney Opera House- 17
Taj Mahal- 20
Temple of Artemis- 21

 

[Beaver79]

Big Ben- 18
Borobudur- 21
Brandenburg Gate-21
Broadway- 20
Chichen Itza- 20
Colossus- 22
Cristo Redentor- 14
Eiffel Tower- 22
Forbidden Palace- 24
Globe Theater- 20
Great Firewall- 17
Great Library- 23 = 22 + 1 - This lets you get the NC that much faster and lets you start on a great scientist that much faster too.
Great Lighthouse- 20
Great Mosque of D'jenne- 17
Great Wall- 17
Hagia Sophia- 20
Hanging Gardens- 21
Himeji Castle- 20
Hubble Space Telescope- 22
Kremlin- 14
Leaning Tower- 23
Louvre- 20
Machu Picchu- 21
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus- 21
Neuschwanstein- 20
Notre Dame- 21
Oracle- 22 = 25 - 3 You guys got rid of the CNN tower but gave 5 upvotes for a wonder that only gives you 1 social policy? There are 3 other wonders that give you the social policy and something else. How can the Oracle be better than the SOL? At this point in the game you should never build this wonder. You should either build the GL to get to the NC, or the Stonehenge if you absolutely must have a religion. That or build your libraries. The 1 social policy you get from this will just be filler until you unlock Rationalism anyway.
Parthenon- 20
Petra- 22
Porcelain Tower- 21
Prora- 21
Pyramids- 18
Red Fort- 14
Sistine Chapel-20
Statue Of Liberty- 23
Statue of Zeus- 17
Stonehenge- 19
Sydney Opera House- 17
Taj Mahal- 20
Temple of Artemis- 21

 

[Matthew.]

Oracle's free policy is actually free, in that it doesn't add to future policy cost. It won't interfere with when you'd normally get Rationalism and Oracle has base culture on it anyway, which means you will get through Rationalism faster than you would without it.

It is also a low competition wonder (usually) and it is on the same tech as NC, so no detour.

 

[MantaRevan]

1. Ankor Wat
2. Pentagon
3. CN Tower(not the choice I would have made, but then again, I've only cast one vote.)
4. Terracotta Army

 

[jlim201]

Big Ben- 18
Borobudur- 21
Brandenburg Gate-21
Broadway- 20
Chichen Itza- 20
Colossus- 22
Cristo Redentor- 14
Eiffel Tower- 22
Forbidden Palace- 24
Globe Theater- 20
Great Firewall- 17
Great Library- 23
Great Lighthouse- 20
Great Mosque of D'jenne- 17
Great Wall- 17
Hagia Sophia- 20
Hanging Gardens- 21
Himeji Castle- 20
Hubble Space Telescope- 22
Kremlin- 14
Leaning Tower- 23
Louvre- 20
Machu Picchu- 21
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus- 21
Neuschwanstein- 21- Amazing for a large wide empire, and encourages me to build castles.
Notre Dame- 21
Oracle- 22
Parthenon- 20
Petra- 22
Porcelain Tower- 21
Prora- 21
Pyramids- 18
Red Fort- 14
Sistine Chapel-20
Statue Of Liberty- 23
Statue of Zeus- 14- I have never built it, bad tech line and requires Honor.
Stonehenge- 19
Sydney Opera House- 17
Taj Mahal- 20
Temple of Artemis- 21

 

[DeathwatchBob]

Big Ben- 18
Borobudur- 21
Brandenburg Gate-21
Broadway- 20
Chichen Itza- 20
Colossus- 22
Cristo Redentor- 11
Eiffel Tower- 22
Forbidden Palace- 24
Globe Theater- 20
Great Firewall- 17
Great Library- 23
Great Lighthouse- 20
Great Mosque of D'jenne- 17
Great Wall- 17
Hagia Sophia- 20
Hanging Gardens- 21
Himeji Castle- 20
Hubble Space Telescope- 22
Kremlin- 14
Leaning Tower- 23
Louvre- 20
Machu Picchu- 21
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus- 21
Neuschwanstein- 21
Notre Dame- 21
Oracle- 23
Parthenon- 20
Petra- 22
Porcelain Tower- 21
Prora- 21
Pyramids- 18
Red Fort- 14
Sistine Chapel-20
Statue Of Liberty- 23
Statue of Zeus- 14
Stonehenge- 19
Sydney Opera House- 17
Taj Mahal- 20
Temple of Artemis- 21

Oracle is getting upvoted over CN Tower because a free social policy 150 turns before you win the game is a lot better than a free social policy 10 turns before you win the game.

On the other hand, Cristo is worst than the CN tower.

 

[Matthew.]

Big Ben- 18
Borobudur- 21
Brandenburg Gate-21
Broadway- 20
Chichen Itza- 20
Colossus- 22
Cristo Redentor- 11
Eiffel Tower- 22
Forbidden Palace- 24
Globe Theater- 20
Great Firewall- 17
Great Library- 23
Great Lighthouse- 20
Great Mosque of D'jenne- 17
Great Wall- 17
Hagia Sophia- 20
Hanging Gardens- 21
Himeji Castle- 20
Hubble Space Telescope- 22
Kremlin- 14
Leaning Tower- 23
Louvre- 20
Machu Picchu- 21
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus- 21
Neuschwanstein- 21
Notre Dame- 21
Oracle- 23
Parthenon- 20
Petra- 22
Porcelain Tower- 21
Prora- 21
Pyramids- 18
Red Fort- 14
Sistine Chapel-20
Statue Of Liberty- 23
Statue of Zeus- 14
Stonehenge- 20
Sydney Opera House- 17
Taj Mahal- 17
Temple of Artemis- 21

Taj has taken a beating since vanilla. GA's, while still useful, don't have as much impact on the culture game as they used to. 4 happiness doesn't go as far with the addition of religion and mercantile CS's. And to top it off, it is in direct competition with Porcelain Tower--unless you have a massive tech lead and/or a strong second city to build it in, it is unlikely you will get both.

Stonehenge is one of the more reliable ways to pick up a religion. Shrines/Temples are terrible and unless you want to rely upon the gods to give you a faith natural or early faith CS ally through quests, you won't have much of a chance. Faith pantheons work, but then you cannot pick a different pantheon, like messenger of the gods or goddess of the hunt.

 

[kb27787]

Big Ben- 18
Borobudur- 21
Brandenburg Gate-21
Broadway- 20
Chichen Itza- 20
Colossus- 22
Cristo Redentor- 14
Eiffel Tower- 22
Forbidden Palace- 24
Globe Theater- 20
Great Firewall- 17 +1 (no love for this guy? obviously ppl here do not play deity CV where you have to deny this to the AI) also freeing up a defensive spy at home is not useless
Great Library- 23
Great Lighthouse- 20
Great Mosque of D'jenne- 17
Great Wall- 17
Hagia Sophia- 20
Hanging Gardens- 21
Himeji Castle- 20
Hubble Space Telescope- 22
Kremlin- 14
Leaning Tower- 23
Louvre- 20
Machu Picchu- 21
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus- 21
Neuschwanstein- 20
Notre Dame- 21
Oracle- 22
Parthenon- 20
Petra- 22
Porcelain Tower- 21
Prora- 21
Pyramids- 18
Red Fort- 14
Sistine Chapel-20
Statue Of Liberty- 23
Statue of Zeus- 17 -3 (honor tree sucks) =14
Stonehenge- 20
Sydney Opera House- 17
Taj Mahal- 17
Temple of Artemis- 21


Srsly CN tower/Sydney Opera houses have to be built for deity CV (not for their benefit but to deny it to AI) if you wanna become influential before someone gets a spaceship completed.