World Cup 2006 - Groups
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ombak
Prince
The US and South Korea are the teams that I think most of the seeds want to avoid in Pot 4. Of course Mexico, Argentina and Brazil also have to worry about Serbia.MattBrown said:
But whether the US or Korea can make the second round depends a lot on the draw.
I wouldn't predict either of them to make the second round from a group with, for example, Italy/Argentina, Holland/Czech Republic, Ghana/Ivory Coast.
Hitro
Feistus Raclettus
I want Holland in the opening match. 
willemvanoranje
Curitibano
why do you want to be kicked in the first round? 
ombak
Prince
Yeah, sure they were. They had 1 win and 2 losses in that group.AlCosta15 said:
South Korea were hosts. So guess who was seeded? Duh.
willemvanoranje
Curitibano
beh.. can't they do the draw today? just for fun?
ombak
Prince
I know! I've done tons of them so far... why can't they do one right now?willemvanoranje said:
Stapel
FIAT 850 coupé
Hitro said:I want Holland in the opening match.
Me too!
Would be a nice start!
Lord_Sidious
No Fun At All
Portugal, Angola and Brazil in one group! it would be great!
Nobody
Gangster
I was watching the News this morning, checky australian news and they were interviewing some Fifa guy about how it works. They were saying there best hope is to be put into the group with England as they are the weakest of the top 8. Then at the end the newsies say "oh and what group is New Zealand in?" and the fifa guy says new zealand didnt qualify and the newsies started laughing saying they know. Jerks 
naervod
My current user title
What the hell, Mexico seeded over us? I know that's how the system FIFA concoted worked out, but we have clearly done better than Mexico with pretty much the exception of 1998 WC. We beat them in WC2002 2-0 and at our home qualifier with them, as well as losing by a slim margin (2-1) in our away qualifier, in a stadium where one team (maybe) has won an away game against Mexico.
Regardless of that, I think the easiest group for the US would be:
Germany/Spain (Germany is weaker but has home advantage, so I can't decide)
Switzerland
Togo
USA
But the most interesting for us would be:
England
Australia
USA
Portugal
Lots of great rivalries there, all will be good games, with England-Australia, England-Portugal, England-USA, USA-Australia, and a 2002 group stage rematch, USA-Portugal. The only match I really wouldn't be overexicted about would be Australia-Portugal
A group of death for us would be:
Brazil
Netherlands
Ivory Coast
USA
Lots of interesting possibilities for this draw, I must say.
Regardless of that, I think the easiest group for the US would be:
Germany/Spain (Germany is weaker but has home advantage, so I can't decide)
Switzerland
Togo
USA
But the most interesting for us would be:
England
Australia
USA
Portugal
Lots of great rivalries there, all will be good games, with England-Australia, England-Portugal, England-USA, USA-Australia, and a 2002 group stage rematch, USA-Portugal. The only match I really wouldn't be overexicted about would be Australia-Portugal
A group of death for us would be:
Brazil
Netherlands
Ivory Coast
USA
Lots of interesting possibilities for this draw, I must say.
ombak
Prince
The seeding formula used previously would not seed the US and neither would this one. It would be very difficult to seed the US over Mexico based on objective criteria such as previous WC performance and rankings. Head-to-head results aren't that important since it's not a direct US x Mexico competition for a spot.naervod said:
Mexico have earned the seed.
naervod
My current user title
ombak said:
According to FIFA's criteria, yes Mexico have earned a seed. Do they deserve it over the USA? No.
ombak
Prince
Again, objectively, why not?naervod said:
A direct comparison between the US and Mexico in head-to-head games isn't enough because the US is not competing with Mexico for a seed, the US is competing with every other team, so you need to come up with an objective way of rating/comparing all teams.
naervod
My current user title
Actually, I believe this system was designed so that at least one CONCACAF team would be seeded, so in a sense the USA was competing with Mexico.
Maybe FIFA will get it right in 2010 after we knock Mexico out again.
Maybe FIFA will get it right in 2010 after we knock Mexico out again.
Stapel
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Both Mexico and the USA have absolutely nothing to do at the WC at all 
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What time is the draw?
.What time is the draw?
mitsho
Deity
naervod said:
I'm insulted. Croatia certainly isn't better (there was a draw between us and them at the EC in portugal), I wouldn't put Poland and Ukrainia befor us, and hey, don't forget: We beat Turkey on the way, and in the qualifications, we were in the group of draw, in which only France managed to win once (against a competitor!), but not against us, but against Ireland.
Don't underestimate us, or how many teams do YOU have in the Champions League? (
)mfG mitsho
PS: The Spanish trainer said in an interview that he feared the netherlands and Switzerland most of pot 3.
PPS: The show of the draw starts at 8 pm (middle european time), but the actual drawing doesn't start until 9 pm I have been told.
