Worried about N. Korean Nukes? South Korea isn't...

Che Guava

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Apparently nuclear warfare doesn't concern koreans as much as a sluggish economy..!

Economic Slump More Serious Than Nukes

Korea Times Poll Shows 53% Oppose US Policy on North Korea

By Ryu Jin
Staff Reporter

South Koreans believe the most serious problem facing the country is an economic slump rather than security threats from North Korea, a survey said yesterday.

A majority of young people dislike Japan and the United States more than North Korea even after its nuclear test on Oct. 9, according to The Korea Times poll conducted by MediaResearch on the occasion of the newspaper's 56th anniversary, which falls today.

Of the 1,000 adults polled across the nation, 22.3 percent chose the economic slowdown as the country's most serious problem, followed by political problems (14.5 percent) and socio-economic polarization (13.1 percent). Those who picked security threats accounted for 12.2 percent.

The poll, conducted from Oct. 28-29, has a plus or minus 3.1 percent margin of error.

Views on a free trade agreement (FTA) currently under negotiations between South Korea and the United States, were almost evenly split. About 45.8 percent supported the pact, while 43.8 percent opposed it.

Such splits were also found in North Korean affairs. Some 48 percent urged the government to scrap its engagement policy, while 46 percent said the basic direction should be maintained although some minor changes seem inevitable.

More than half of the respondents, however, expressed negative views on the U.S. hard-line policy toward the isolated North _ 52.6 percent said they opposed the U.S. policy on Pyongyang, while 39.6 percent said they supported it.

When asked about whether a military strike on the North's nuclear facilities should be undertaken, 65.2 percent of respondents said ``No'' while only 28.9 percent answered ``Yes.'' Opposition was high among those in their 20s to 50s, and those in their 60s and over were evenly split on the query.

A similar generational gap was also found in a question asking the country they dislike most. In all, three of 10 people picked up Japan, two selected North Korea and one chose the United States. Those who hated China stayed at 5.3 percent.

Those under 60 generally hate Japan more than North Korea, those over 60 disliked North Korea most. Negative views on the United States were highest among those in their 20s (19 percent).

On the contrary, 37.4 percent chose the European Union (EU) as their most favorite country, followed by the United States (18.9 percent), Southeast Asian nations (5.8 percent), Japan (4.7 percent), North Korea (3 percent) and China (2.5 percent).

As for presidential hopefuls for next year's election, former Seoul Mayor Lee Myung-bak topped the list with an approval rating of 33.1 percent, followed by Park Geun-hye, former chairwoman of the main opposition Grand National Party (GNP) with 23 percent and Goh Kun, former prime minister who is currently not affiliated with any political party, with 18.3 percent.

There was no single candidate from the governing camp who received support of more than 3 percent.

Representing conservatives in the country, the GNP kept its lead in the approval ratings with 46.8 percent, followed by the ruling Uri Party (12.7 percent) and the Democratic Party (8.2 percent) and the Democratic Labor Party (6.7 percent).

About 52 percent of the respondents said Korea will have a good future over the next decade. Contrary to the prevailing view, only 8.7 percent of the Koreans have negative view on foreigners living in Korea _ indicating Koreans see themselves as not xenophobic.

More than 61 percent said they have neither positive nor negative sentiment on foreigners living in Korea. About 16.2 percent of those aged above 60 said they do not have good sentiment toward foreigners, meaning that the younger generations are more accommodative than the older generation toward foreigners.

Only 17.2 percent said the nation's internationalization has been progressing well and only 17.4 percent said Korea is rated fairly globally.

Lee Ryang-hoon, senior research executive of MediaResearch said that polls showed Korea is quite divided on all issues, including the FTA, the engagement policy with North Korea, and publics view on US policy toward Pyongyang. He said what is surprising is the poll result showed that people were more concerned with bread and butter issues rather than the nuclear threat from the North. The data indicates the seriousness of the current economic plight of citizens in the polarizing economy where the rich are becoming richer and the poor, poorer he said.

He said Koreans are quite ambivalent toward the United States. The poll showed that 18.9 percent said they like the United States. It is the second most loved country. At the same time, it is the third most disliked country after Japan and North Korea. The younger generation, blue-collar workers, students and the wealthy show high degree of antipathy toward the United States. The good sentiment toward the United States is more evident among the seniors aged above 50s, the housewives (22.9 percent) and farmers and fishermen (23.2 percent).

Why the EU is most favored among Koreans? Lee said the rate is higher because the EU consists of many countries and Koreans like Switzerland.

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This is one corner of the world i really don't understand, I think I have lots of company here in North America. South Korea seems to me kind of like the (sterotypical) france of eastern asia: strongly independant, ambivilent about its allies, and a seemingly walking contradiction in thier outlook on the world... :crazyeye:

Any asian posters here that would like to share thier $0.02 on the views of the average South Korean...?
 
Che Guava said:
South Korea seems to me kind of like the (sterotypical) france of eastern asia: strongly independant, ambivilent about its allies, and a seemingly walking contradiction in thier outlook on the world... :crazyeye:
And if you remove the symbol in the center of their flag, you get a white flag!!
 
I read somewhere that south koreans aren't afraid of the nukes since they are meant for the US anyway. Besides if/when they get united then SK will be a nuclear power, and they see that as positive.
 
Phlegmak said:
Great! Then North Korea is their problem. Boo bye!

It would still be our problem via Japan.

Yoda Power said:
I read somewhere that south koreans aren't afraid of the nukes since they are meant for the US anyway. Besides if/when they get united then SK will be a nuclear power, and they see that as positive.

If economic slow down is the #1 concern, then I'd wager that reunification would be seen as a bad thing.
 
augurey said:
If economic slow down is the #1 concern, then I'd wager that reunification would be seen as a bad thing.
Did I say that unification was not seen as a problem? No, I just said that if they were unified, then they would atleast have nukes.
 
Masquerouge said:
I believe South Koreans may be more rational than us.
Why is that?
 
woody60707 said:
Why is that?
Maybe becuase they have lived with the problem everyday for the last 55 years. We just hear about NK once in a while from time to time.

Surely the average South Korean have a better knowledge of the situation in Korea than any average American or European. So they should be able to act based on their larger knowledge.
 
Yoda Power said:
Did I say that unification was not seen as a problem? No, I just said that if they were unified, then they would atleast have nukes.

Do you not think that South Korea has the technology to make a nuke.... If they wanted one, they don't need reunification to achieve that goal.
 
augurey said:
Do you not think that South Korea has the technology to make a nuke.... If they wanted one, they don't need reunification to achieve that goal.
As far as I know they wouldn't considder it a goal, but a bonus.

Like I'm sure you don't have buying 100 icecreams tomorrow as a goal. However you would likely say "yes" if I offered you 100 icecreams.
 
Yoda Power said:
Like I'm sure you don't have buying 100 icecreams tomorrow as a goal. However you would likely say "yes" if I offered you 100 icecreams.
Well, bad example, I don't like icecreams
 
Yoda Power said:
However it was not directed at you :p

edit: but I'm sure your children does!
Yes, they do! But for me, I can't eat an icecream. Everytime I tried that, it starts a dull headache, just above my nose. :(
 
The younger generation hasn't really experienced the wrath of North Korea. If they aren't worried its because they think nothing will happen, because its been a while since anything happened. I wouldn't be afraid either if I had a strong domestic and foreign military defending my country. Its easy to have their attitude while US forces are present but, if they really weren't afraid, they would send US forces home.

Yoda Power said:
As far as I know they wouldn't considder it a goal, but a bonus.

Like I'm sure you don't have buying 100 icecreams tomorrow as a goal. However you would likely say "yes" if I offered you 100 icecreams.

If you could make ice cream that was 100 times better but chose not to, then you wouldn't consider it a bonus to inherit inferior ice cream.

If SK isn't building nukes now what makes you think they would accept inferior ones during reunification? If inhereiting nukes did cause them to change their stance, they would ditch the NK nukes and build something superior. Point being, they don't need or want North Korean nukes and if they inherited them they wouldn't keep them.
 
Why is the younger generation so hostile toward japan? I would have thought that the older generation, the ones that saw the second world war, would be the ones that hold the most contempt for them...
 
A similar generational gap was also found in a question asking the country they dislike most. In all, three of 10 people picked up Japan, two selected North Korea and one chose the United States. Those who hated China stayed at 5.3 percent.

Many of the people who chose the U.S. over NK are probably communists and/or extreme leftists. They would be more likely to be favorable to NK than suppose an American extreme leftist would be. The hatred of Japan is based on an unusually powerful grip exhibited by historical events. Japan is not an enemy of Korea (the southern part) anymore although many terrible acts have occurred to Korea in the past.

Masquerouge said:
I believe South Koreans may be more rational than us.

The view point of loathe the United States and yet expect to be safe from North Korea without sufficient preparation is questionable. South Korea would basically need to develop a nuclear arsenal to ensure adequate deterence of NK without the alliance with the United States and the probable backing of NATO. Although South Korea has superior conventional forces to North Korea, a nuclear armed NK would possibly gamble on a war (even if it refrained from using nuclear weapons other than as a threat to avoid defeat).

If North Korea is not too big of a a threat then why is the South Korean military so large? To stop the ominous threat of Japan? Obviously SK's government has access to the military data.

Note: I am not trying to say that excessive terror of North Korea striking the United States is the best concept. NK's missiles are a threat however NK will cease to be a threat if it uses them against the U.S. The damage would be bad indeed however there would be only one Korea afterwards (unforunately quite damaged). The U.S. could largely ignore NK and SK's military competition and make itself a low priority target for NK (unless NK's leadership was so prone to errors that it would strike the U.S. even if it ended its alliance with SK).
 
Che Guava said:
Why is the younger generation so hostile toward japan? I would have thought that the older generation, the ones that saw the second world war, would be the ones that hold the most contempt for them...

World War II is a large part of this hatred however a great deal of goes back farther. There were other wars fought on Korean territory and there were many problems even before WW I.

There are probably other reliable sites however I will use wikipedia for now:

Hideyoshi's invasion of Korea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hideyoshi's_invasions_of_Korea

An excerpt from the article:

In 1598 alone, the Japanese took some 38,000 ears as gruesome trophies. A survey conducted in 1601 revealed that the productive capacity of farmlands had been reduced from 1.5–1.7 million gyeol,[42] assessed in 1592, to 30,000 gyeol.[43]

I think that there was a mound or hill of ears in Korea at some point


It appears that many of the East Asian populations retain greater distrust of one another than is common in many other places in the world. Future military competition and arms races in the region are not out of the question.

South Korea should note that if North Korea retains its nuclear arsenal and/or if SK acquires nuclear weapons Japan will be extremely set on acquiring them as well (Japan is not liked in Korea or China so its government would probably care little what they think). At that point Japan is probably going to aim to compete with China on defensive ABM systems (Japan already is ahead against China here) and offensive systems.
 
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