"Would you . . . ?" Part Two: Scum and Stammerer. (Presidential Debate Thread)

[Rambo919]

Ok, so who is behind both sides in multiple countries?

Show us your very best red string pinboard.

No need to be so complicated, it originated with the planners of the French revolution who with the flow of history lost centralized control when Marxism splintered it. Now it's numerous decedent factions that wage private wars with each other for turf. It some things benefit them all so they have no problem with it being promoted everywhere.... it's a myth that there is a single conspiracy. At best its semi-organized political subversion similar to how the mob operates with temporary bosses of bosses.

Even in the openly/legitimized globalist organizations like the WEF, WHO and UN you find constant turf wars. In broad terms there are two sides, globalists and nationalists, and both sides have temporary truces or alliances when the balance goes in the favour of the other side. It's an utter fools errand to even try to chart hierarchies. That's all modern war and politics really is.... a replacement for the constant kinetic wars that was the norm in the past with the exception of Africa which has been in a perpetual state of war with itself since decolonization, some call this the hidden world war of Africa or something similar.

You can't find an evil mastermind because it is impossible for one to exist, at least without killing off 3/4 of the world population and spreading out the survivors so much none of them can organize.

 

[Rambo919]

Like I said, you're using it as a buzzword. Appreciate you demonstrating the point.

Nope, a buzzword is a BS term that signifies nothing other than that others also repeat it and pretend to know what it means. The way "conspiracy theory" is a term that exists solely to shut people up rather than explain anything about what they are saying.

Woke on the other hand is easily demonstrable because it's adherents blindly follow the same predictable patterns. Such as the beliefs that: all whites are inherently racist, anyone that disagrees with with alphabetism or any religion other than Christianity is a braindead bigot, abortion is about womans bodies, you can only be racist if you have power over another race (except if you are white because it's impossible to be racist towards whites), etc. It's all convenient one sided BS meant to bully people into joining the cult concensus. That's not a conspiracy theory, it's what happens in fact on a daily basis.

 

[Lexicus]

No need to be so complicated

This is my favorite aderall linguine song

 

[Rambo919]

This is my favorite aderall linguine song

Lets just say that if there are a select few people in control of everything.... no one will know their names so it's pointless to even try to speculate. But at the same time.... I highly doubt anyone has direct central control of anything.

 

[Hygro]

You guys don't get it.... presidential politics are nothing more than reality TV where two sides are set up and manipulated into fighting each other.... it's all a pathetic sham that will inevitably end in bloodshed.

You fell for that?

 

[Senethro]

Lets just say that if there are a select few people in control of everything.... no one will know their names so it's pointless to even try to speculate. But at the same time.... I highly doubt anyone has direct central control of anything.

Huh. So its both unfalsifiable and irrelevant. And yet holds a load bearing position in your political beliefs?

 

[Rambo919]

Huh. So its both unfalsifiable and irrelevant. And yet holds a load bearing position in your political beliefs?

It's common sense. The world is too big and complicated for any small group to effectively control it. However it's very plausible for an initial group to splinter into separate interests that only gets more fragmented as other groups get grafted in. The universal pattern of politics is perpetual fragmentation and random wars of attempted reunification contrasted with wars of independence.

On the other hand it only makes sense for the universal emperor to have the people not even know he exists, that way he is never a target, total obscurity is the best protection from the angry mob. But again, I highly doubt one actually exists, logistically it's just plain unfeasible. Even if a particular faction gains control temporarily... the other factions will soon be vying for control. It's simple human nature, the more you try to hold everything together the more it slips through your fingers. That's why all empires are doomed to fail eventually.

In the end, homogeneity is all that survives, which is partly why there is the drive to make all humans on the planet amorphous nothings, when everyone is anything they feel like being at any given moment they are exactly the same mentally, no divergence from the alphabet is allowed because that will make you stand out. It's stupid and bound to fail but it's clearly what is being attempted.

Remember, la cosa nostra had so much success because even if you know the names of the bosses of bosses.... no one could ever directly pin anything on them. That's all global politics is really.... globalized organized crime with political parties as fronts.

 

[Gorbles]

Nope, a buzzword is a BS term that signifies nothing other than that others also repeat it and pretend to know what it means.

Yes, "woke" as used by the right-wing (and depressingly these days, thanks to the Overton window, centrist) circles is a BS term used for in-group signalling.

The definition varies amongst those who use it, but a common theme is that it's both "weak" and "strong" at the same time. Something you seem to hold to given what you attribute to it

It's common sense.

That's vibes my dude, not evidence-based reasoning.

Again, why discussion can end up pointless. A "open and unmoderated debate" doesn't survive a constant redefining of terms. It only serves those moving the goalposts.

 

[Gori the Grey]

Be a cooler theory if there was one dude, tho.

You know, like a Megamind, or something.

 

[Rambo919]

Yes, "woke" as used by the right-wing (and depressingly these days, thanks to the Overton window, centrist circles) is a BS term used for in-group signalling. The definition varies amongst those who use it.

It's merely the difference between what the left claimed it means and what it actually means as proven by the conduct of the people promoting it.

Don't look at what people say, look at what they do.

Funnily it's now simply embarrassing because it's been unmasked.

 

[Rambo919]

Be a cooler theory if there was one dude, tho.

More entertaining perhaps but rather unrealistic.

The sensationalism attraction is what drew impressionables to fictions like "Jews control the world".... if they do they really are doing a very poor job of it.

 

[Gori the Grey]

rather unrealistic

That was sort of my point.

As you set it out, your theory is susceptible to the same criticism.

 

[Gorbles]

It's merely the difference between what the left claimed it means and what it actually means as proven by the conduct of the people promoting it.

I mean, yes, but only because those to the right of the spectrum are promoting it. It's good for the grift.

 

[Rambo919]

You fell for that?

What has actually changed in national or foreign policy when a different party was voted in? All anyone ever bickers about is peripheral social issues and pretend rights.

 

[Rambo919]

I mean, yes, but only because those to the right of the spectrum are promoting it. It's good for the grift.

No they are merely using the attempted FTW strategy of the left against them. The left stupidly thought they were being genius and it backfired spectacularly and now everyone is screaming victimhood.... as per woke MO. Start the fight and pretend to be the victim if your target defends itself.

 

[Rambo919]

That was sort of my point.

As you set it out, your theory is susceptible to the same criticism.

It makes the most sense to me if you take the long and broad views of history. I find it irrational to reduce the same problems that miraculously pop up globally down to random chance.

The mistake people make is to look for organized conspiracy.... when all you really need is popularized ideology. And the globalists arnt even hiding what they are doing anymore, they constantly hold conferences in the open and even stream them for the world to see but they take care to never speak plainly, they always coach everything in jargon.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

now everyone is screaming victimhood.... as per woke MO.

They stole my elections!
I'm a political prisoner!
They indicted me and I did nothing wrong!
I'm the worst treated president in like ever!
I did win!
I did!

 

[Gorbles]

now everyone is screaming victimhood.... as per woke MO.

Except "woke" was to do with bullying others, you said. "bullying" implies a flow of power that "victimhood" doesn't.

Like I said "weak and strong at the same time". It's a very popular thing to accuse those of left-of-centre of being.

(also your etmyological basis for "woke" is wrong, for the record, which even a cursory Google would show you, but again, the running theme here is "buzzword", not "accurate description of real behaviour")

 

[Rambo919]

They stole my elections!

Gore did it first

I'm a political prisoner!
They indicted me and I did nothing wrong!

A large majority of people agree that the only reason he was targeted with lawfare is because he won the 2016 election and is threatening to win this one.

I'm the worst treated president in like ever!

That's just typical hyperbole for the sake of drama... I doubt he actually believe it. The man likes exaggeration, sue him for it if it bothers you so much.

I did win!
I did!

And I actually believe he did win, there were just too much well timed irregularities that were never properly investigated... and it's going to happen again this time because no one fixed the bugs.... only this time people will be angrier about it.

 

[Gori the Grey]

stream them for the world to see

Could you direct me to one or two of these? I honestly can't fathom what you are talking about.

I would watch them.

Also, what are

the same problems that miraculously pop up globally

and to the extent that that is true (I'd need to see your concrete cases) couldn't it just be a function of the same overall social dynamics existing in more than one place?