imgrumpy
Lord of War
Hubschrauber said:
On average it takes 3 to 5 U-boats to sink a battleship, but I got lazy and stoped listing all units lost. I just like to list the victorious unit. I actually have very few U-boats left now.
WW2-Global
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On average it takes 3 to 5 U-boats to sink a battleship, but I got lazy and stoped listing all units lost. I just like to list the victorious unit. I actually have very few U-boats left now.
Sasebo
Prince
Hubshcrauber: I was thinking the same thing... It IS possible if you weakened them with air units first, or bombard; also if yours were elite(the Americans mostly start at regular). That U-70 got damn lucky if he did it all himself. Your average sub could not do it, but U-boats are an entirely different breed.
With another 15 or so turns gone I can comment some on France now. For starters, I may have broken the house rules on this one; I abandoned Lille and Verdun. Didn't raze them, but burnt them to the ground to deny them to the Germans. I don't care either way, I absolutely had to do it to save Paris. Half of Germany's Panzer force, about 30+ PzIIIe's are currently marauding through France,along with a dozen or so Infantry types. Oh, and about 20+ Italians too, but compared to the Germans those are sort of a distraction at best. They've been driving all over the vineyards, stampeding the cows, rousting the chickens, and scaring hell out of the President of France. The latest joke in Paris goes something like this:
Where is the German schwerpunkt? Everywhere! Where is it going? Wherever they damn well please...
`
It's just been brutal; my attempt to fortify the Belgian border was a rousing failure. Oh, we built the forts, it just was not enough to stop them. I made the mistake of overextending myself chasing down stray German units in Belgium, and had a nice force sitting on the hill fort east of Strasburg that I had cleared of Germans. Well, about the time Namur fell, the bubble burst. The Germans put all that armor and air power they had used to crush the low countries to use blowing up my expeditionary forces, and plowing into the northern border. It was an absolute tidal wave. I didn't keep track of casualties but that first turn alone I lost 15+ units. For the last 6-7 turns it's been hell. All my units are cowering in the cities and I am constantly juggling trying to keep them all strong enough to withstand attack for one more turn. I pulled all the troops off the Italian border, since the Italian army showed up around Namur and marched south back to Torino. The Baedecker tour no doubt. It's just an awesome sight.
But wait! Only HALF of the German Panzers? Where could the others be???
Well, I happened to see a Soviet DD run up against a U-boat off Antwerp, and IMMEDIATELY they declared war, then the USSR turn continued, so I KNOW it was the sub bug this time. Thank goodness! Of course, the Soviet forces are out of position, since, silly me, I tried to put a spy in their capital, and they DOWed me instantly. It was a safe attempt to, no idea what happened except just awful luck. So when the first Soviet unit showed up in French territory(no attack btw, this was puzzling) at Damascus the allies declared war in support before my planned "gift" to Turkey of their old city. I have managed to get peace again, but the Soviets almost immediately redeclared on the US(only), so who knows where this is going. If the German make peace with the Soviets any time soon I figure I am toast; they will have another 25+ Panzers to throw at me. Also, when the -g type shows up this might all be a moot point.
Oh, and to add insult to injury, just before I saved last night the Germans dropped a parachute unit onto Corsica; I had a regular garrison there. The AI did that! Though I was very lucky and had my lone Med transport nearby and I sent over an Elite Infantry to give him a nice surprise...
At least in Africa things are doing ok, and the Italians only own their Ethiopian cities now. UK and I combined to wipe them out. I noticed when I got Benghazi that my resources from France were connected here?! It has to be land connection to Moscow, so if we go to war again I lose them again, but that is nice to know.
Some questions re: air units- So DB still have lethal bombard? and does France ever get a DB type? Also, the axis air units have been on a tear bombing roads and improvements, just a total pain this game.
Oh, forgot to mention that Asia is fairly quiet. Japan has taken several cites from the Chinas, taken Guam but lost Truk. I think I know why. I have spies in the 3 Axis countries and the UK right now; Germany has just built 3 Bismarck class, and Japan has 3 BB's and a few cruisers; Japan is down to 5 transports. UK has 30+ KGV last time I looked, go ahead Germany, build more Bismarcks.
Italian navy is completely gone btw, thanks to UK/French efforts. The US showed up late but is now merrily bombarding Rome with about 8 CA per turn. Now when I played Italy and did well navally, so did Japan & to a lesser extent, Germany. Italy getting whomped early has made the US & other allies take the German and Japanese navies to pieces.
Outside of the Low countries, Denmark and Poland, Germany has not attacked the other minor European countries. Spain has not gotten dragged into any part of this either, which is real good because my border with them is completely naked. Speaking of borders, After my Italy experience, and now France, I finally realized why Switzerland is taking over my territory squares; I go to war-time mobilization, and get half culture, and they overtake us. Could you move the cities a bit, or change their culture buildings to fix this one Rocoteh? Or maybe it's just a choice you have to make...
I noticed that the Axis seems to be getting their Airborne/Marine/SS units; but as of Week 6,1940 I have not gotten any. Are mine on longer intervals, or...? I remember getting airborne out of Algiers as Italy, so I can't figure out where they are. I could really use them right now, trust me.
Final thoughts: Well, this IS Sid; maybe thats too rough for France. I made major mistakes though, lost way too many troops on those little offensives. My air units have been gutted(nothing ticks me off more in Civ3 lately as much as my fighters sitting on the runway and just being destroyed when the bombers hit that city. Just try that against the AI fighters and see what happens...), and I am down to 5 artillery, and 5 bombers(1 Bloch 210). It's like throwing peanuts at an elephant. If I had been more careful with my units I would have done loads better. Also, thinking a fort in the open would cut it was a mistake. I should not have tried to defend those plains NW of lille on the other side of the river. Maybe I should not have launched those minor african offensives, but Italy is out of North Africa and Sardinia, and I am knocking on the door in Sicily now. I sent the navy up into the Adriatic and just savaged their coastlines. All those craters are very satisfying right now.
With Italy's navy gone, and Germany's virtually so, there's no way they are going to knock me out of Africa, so it is just a question of whether I can hold on in France proper. If the Soviets keep fighting then I may have a chance, since at least half the German armor left after that DoW. Hopefully I live long enough to give another report.
With another 15 or so turns gone I can comment some on France now. For starters, I may have broken the house rules on this one; I abandoned Lille and Verdun. Didn't raze them, but burnt them to the ground to deny them to the Germans. I don't care either way, I absolutely had to do it to save Paris. Half of Germany's Panzer force, about 30+ PzIIIe's are currently marauding through France,along with a dozen or so Infantry types. Oh, and about 20+ Italians too, but compared to the Germans those are sort of a distraction at best. They've been driving all over the vineyards, stampeding the cows, rousting the chickens, and scaring hell out of the President of France. The latest joke in Paris goes something like this:
Where is the German schwerpunkt? Everywhere! Where is it going? Wherever they damn well please...
`It's just been brutal; my attempt to fortify the Belgian border was a rousing failure. Oh, we built the forts, it just was not enough to stop them. I made the mistake of overextending myself chasing down stray German units in Belgium, and had a nice force sitting on the hill fort east of Strasburg that I had cleared of Germans. Well, about the time Namur fell, the bubble burst. The Germans put all that armor and air power they had used to crush the low countries to use blowing up my expeditionary forces, and plowing into the northern border. It was an absolute tidal wave. I didn't keep track of casualties but that first turn alone I lost 15+ units. For the last 6-7 turns it's been hell. All my units are cowering in the cities and I am constantly juggling trying to keep them all strong enough to withstand attack for one more turn. I pulled all the troops off the Italian border, since the Italian army showed up around Namur and marched south back to Torino. The Baedecker tour no doubt. It's just an awesome sight.
But wait! Only HALF of the German Panzers? Where could the others be???
Well, I happened to see a Soviet DD run up against a U-boat off Antwerp, and IMMEDIATELY they declared war, then the USSR turn continued, so I KNOW it was the sub bug this time. Thank goodness! Of course, the Soviet forces are out of position, since, silly me, I tried to put a spy in their capital, and they DOWed me instantly. It was a safe attempt to, no idea what happened except just awful luck. So when the first Soviet unit showed up in French territory(no attack btw, this was puzzling) at Damascus the allies declared war in support before my planned "gift" to Turkey of their old city. I have managed to get peace again, but the Soviets almost immediately redeclared on the US(only), so who knows where this is going. If the German make peace with the Soviets any time soon I figure I am toast; they will have another 25+ Panzers to throw at me. Also, when the -g type shows up this might all be a moot point.Oh, and to add insult to injury, just before I saved last night the Germans dropped a parachute unit onto Corsica; I had a regular garrison there. The AI did that!
Though I was very lucky and had my lone Med transport nearby and I sent over an Elite Infantry to give him a nice surprise... At least in Africa things are doing ok, and the Italians only own their Ethiopian cities now. UK and I combined to wipe them out. I noticed when I got Benghazi that my resources from France were connected here?! It has to be land connection to Moscow, so if we go to war again I lose them again, but that is nice to know.
Some questions re: air units- So DB still have lethal bombard? and does France ever get a DB type? Also, the axis air units have been on a tear bombing roads and improvements, just a total pain this game.
Oh, forgot to mention that Asia is fairly quiet. Japan has taken several cites from the Chinas, taken Guam but lost Truk. I think I know why. I have spies in the 3 Axis countries and the UK right now; Germany has just built 3 Bismarck class, and Japan has 3 BB's and a few cruisers; Japan is down to 5 transports. UK has 30+ KGV last time I looked, go ahead Germany, build more Bismarcks.
Italian navy is completely gone btw, thanks to UK/French efforts. The US showed up late but is now merrily bombarding Rome with about 8 CA per turn. Now when I played Italy and did well navally, so did Japan & to a lesser extent, Germany. Italy getting whomped early has made the US & other allies take the German and Japanese navies to pieces.Outside of the Low countries, Denmark and Poland, Germany has not attacked the other minor European countries. Spain has not gotten dragged into any part of this either, which is real good because my border with them is completely naked. Speaking of borders, After my Italy experience, and now France, I finally realized why Switzerland is taking over my territory squares; I go to war-time mobilization, and get half culture, and they overtake us. Could you move the cities a bit, or change their culture buildings to fix this one Rocoteh? Or maybe it's just a choice you have to make...
I noticed that the Axis seems to be getting their Airborne/Marine/SS units; but as of Week 6,1940 I have not gotten any. Are mine on longer intervals, or...? I remember getting airborne out of Algiers as Italy, so I can't figure out where they are. I could really use them right now, trust me.
Final thoughts: Well, this IS Sid; maybe thats too rough for France. I made major mistakes though, lost way too many troops on those little offensives. My air units have been gutted(nothing ticks me off more in Civ3 lately as much as my fighters sitting on the runway and just being destroyed when the bombers hit that city. Just try that against the AI fighters and see what happens...), and I am down to 5 artillery, and 5 bombers(1 Bloch 210). It's like throwing peanuts at an elephant. If I had been more careful with my units I would have done loads better. Also, thinking a fort in the open would cut it was a mistake. I should not have tried to defend those plains NW of lille on the other side of the river. Maybe I should not have launched those minor african offensives, but Italy is out of North Africa and Sardinia, and I am knocking on the door in Sicily now. I sent the navy up into the Adriatic and just savaged their coastlines. All those craters are very satisfying right now.
With Italy's navy gone, and Germany's virtually so, there's no way they are going to knock me out of Africa, so it is just a question of whether I can hold on in France proper. If the Soviets keep fighting then I may have a chance, since at least half the German armor left after that DoW. Hopefully I live long enough to give another report.
imgrumpy
Lord of War
German 2.2
Week 2, 1940
Report: Kreigsmarine sinks 5 American Hvy CA and 1 French Hvy CA in the English Channel. That will teach the Americans to interfere in Europe.
Week 3
Cities Taken: Tver, Kem
Report: Tver taken. The noose is tightening around Moscow. Kem taken. Seems the Finns aren't very aggressive. Destroyed 3 fortresses at Sevestopol. Very close to capturing that city. Russia is well under control so I will now build up a Western Army to take France.
Week 4
Report: Norway makes peace with the Allies, so I guess no British invasion. At least the Norweigen navy is mostly destroyed and poses little threat when I decide to invade. I've destroyed all the Fortresses defending Moscow (the city only) and Sevestopol for the loss of approximately 20 inf, 10 panzers, and 10 bombers. Very tough to take those fortresses.
Week 5
Report: Moscow and Sevestopol should fall soon; maybe next turn. I am personally very weary after the prolonged sieges. That's what I get for spreading my forces thin to capture as much of Russia as possible. I may need to take a break from playing this for awhile...or maybe I'm exhausted and getting sick. I'm just rambling now so I will shut up and go to bed.
Week 2, 1940
Report: Kreigsmarine sinks 5 American Hvy CA and 1 French Hvy CA in the English Channel. That will teach the Americans to interfere in Europe.
Week 3
Cities Taken: Tver, Kem
Report: Tver taken. The noose is tightening around Moscow. Kem taken. Seems the Finns aren't very aggressive. Destroyed 3 fortresses at Sevestopol. Very close to capturing that city. Russia is well under control so I will now build up a Western Army to take France.
Week 4
Report: Norway makes peace with the Allies, so I guess no British invasion. At least the Norweigen navy is mostly destroyed and poses little threat when I decide to invade. I've destroyed all the Fortresses defending Moscow (the city only) and Sevestopol for the loss of approximately 20 inf, 10 panzers, and 10 bombers. Very tough to take those fortresses.
Week 5
Report: Moscow and Sevestopol should fall soon; maybe next turn. I am personally very weary after the prolonged sieges. That's what I get for spreading my forces thin to capture as much of Russia as possible. I may need to take a break from playing this for awhile...or maybe I'm exhausted and getting sick. I'm just rambling now so I will shut up and go to bed.
Adler,
Thank you for the report.
"Week 20 part 2:
PC turn: The Turkish made circumvented my armies and now want to attack Adana. There are two huge stacks. But that is good for me as I can attack now Ankara.
Of the North American coast several allied BBs appear. As well several Soviet subs in the North West Passage.
Week 21:
Ankara and Samsun were taken. But then I had to send more troops to Adana to stop the offensive. The Turkish fleet is attacked by my light ships of my fleet. Now except two all my ships are at least veterans. One of them can still become veteran the next turn. A Turkish sub remains in the Black sea."
Adler
Turkey is the key to both India and Africa.
"In the North west passage between Baffinland and the continent U 92 and U 104 attacked the Soviet SS sinking 10 of them."
Adler
Strange location of Soviet subs.
"16 Uboats were lost by sinking three US BB C2, a British KGV BB and three TR. Still a good price"
Adler
Agree!
"PC turn:
The Turkish did not continue their battle against Adana but retreated in four directions. Also 2 US BB C2 spotted off Halifax. One of them sank a Uboat.
Japan destroyed China (Nationalists)."
Adler
Despite changes in initial Order of Battle it seems lika China have
great problems to survive.
Thank you and welcome back.
Rocoteh
Thank you for the report.
"Week 20 part 2:
PC turn: The Turkish made circumvented my armies and now want to attack Adana. There are two huge stacks. But that is good for me as I can attack now Ankara.
Of the North American coast several allied BBs appear. As well several Soviet subs in the North West Passage.
Week 21:
Ankara and Samsun were taken. But then I had to send more troops to Adana to stop the offensive. The Turkish fleet is attacked by my light ships of my fleet. Now except two all my ships are at least veterans. One of them can still become veteran the next turn. A Turkish sub remains in the Black sea."
Adler
Turkey is the key to both India and Africa.
"In the North west passage between Baffinland and the continent U 92 and U 104 attacked the Soviet SS sinking 10 of them."
Adler
Strange location of Soviet subs.
"16 Uboats were lost by sinking three US BB C2, a British KGV BB and three TR. Still a good price"
Adler
Agree!
"PC turn:
The Turkish did not continue their battle against Adana but retreated in four directions. Also 2 US BB C2 spotted off Halifax. One of them sank a Uboat.
Japan destroyed China (Nationalists)."
Adler
Despite changes in initial Order of Battle it seems lika China have
great problems to survive.
Thank you and welcome back.
Rocoteh
Adler17
Prussian Feldmarschall
Week 22:
The Black Week- for Turkey: The main part of the Turkish army is now history as they were attacked and destroyed by Stukas and Panzer. Also the torpedo boat Leopard is now veteran. So the only ship still regular is CL Köln. However I am in no way able to start the final assault on Turkey as my forces have to rest to heal. I think in at last three weeks Turkey is history.
Heavy dogfights in Russia: At Tijita 2 Me 109 were shot down, one of them elite. But 11 Russian fighters were also downed. A good ratio. Then I sent my bombers to attack Russian infantry. And they were involved in dogfights, too! How many fighter planes did the Russian have? Genral Gehlen said, they had 60 Yak 1 and 16 I 16 and one I 15. Well, my bomber gunners were in 8 dog fights 7 times sucessful. "Only" 58 Yaks and 11 I 16 remain. And 18 Russian infantry, a tank and a motorized Inf were destroyed, another stack of 12 units damaged.
At Tekro in Africa three French tanks were destroyed by mine.
Off Halifax my Uboats attacked 2 US BB C2. 11 lost but the BBs are on the bottom of the sea, too.
But back to the Eastern Front, where Tura is mine. In Persia attacking British tanks were destroyed by Stukas and artillery, a few remainder taken out by my Panzer.
Also landing at Kashgar by my paratroopers. There I was really lucky as an enemy fighter appeared there! But it was shot down and so my reserve paratrooper plane, here I suggest the "Tante Ju" 52 for Germany, brought the paratrooper over the landing area. So 5 units are off Kashgar. Mao will sonn be a bit shorter. I mean so a head length
.
PC turn: A British KGV BB spotted.
Adler
The Black Week- for Turkey: The main part of the Turkish army is now history as they were attacked and destroyed by Stukas and Panzer. Also the torpedo boat Leopard is now veteran. So the only ship still regular is CL Köln. However I am in no way able to start the final assault on Turkey as my forces have to rest to heal. I think in at last three weeks Turkey is history.
Heavy dogfights in Russia: At Tijita 2 Me 109 were shot down, one of them elite. But 11 Russian fighters were also downed. A good ratio. Then I sent my bombers to attack Russian infantry. And they were involved in dogfights, too! How many fighter planes did the Russian have? Genral Gehlen said, they had 60 Yak 1 and 16 I 16 and one I 15. Well, my bomber gunners were in 8 dog fights 7 times sucessful. "Only" 58 Yaks and 11 I 16 remain. And 18 Russian infantry, a tank and a motorized Inf were destroyed, another stack of 12 units damaged.
At Tekro in Africa three French tanks were destroyed by mine.
Off Halifax my Uboats attacked 2 US BB C2. 11 lost but the BBs are on the bottom of the sea, too.
But back to the Eastern Front, where Tura is mine. In Persia attacking British tanks were destroyed by Stukas and artillery, a few remainder taken out by my Panzer.
Also landing at Kashgar by my paratroopers. There I was really lucky as an enemy fighter appeared there! But it was shot down and so my reserve paratrooper plane, here I suggest the "Tante Ju" 52 for Germany, brought the paratrooper over the landing area. So 5 units are off Kashgar. Mao will sonn be a bit shorter. I mean so a head length
.PC turn: A British KGV BB spotted.
Adler
Adler17
Prussian Feldmarschall
Week 23:
Ulaan Baatar and Tijita were taken. There I destroyed 12 Soviet infantries with bombers. In Tijita were also 35 fighters. One of the was downed by a FW 190 fighter, the first kill for this fighter.
Oh I just remember that: Germany had at the beginning of ww2 not one but two fighters (no I don´t count the obsolete He 51 biplanes), the Me 109 anmd the He 112. While latter was seen as too costly, it seemed to be better. So I suggest to give Germany one of these fighters and the possibility to build them. They should cost more than a Me 109 E but should be better. But they should not be upgradeable like the Me 109. And obsolete with the appearance of FW 190.
Also the Maus tank would be great. But I think we can disccuss that later.
New CV ready: von Buttlar- Brandenfels.
PC turn:
My attack on Chulkovo, which failed a few turns ago, turned out to be a disaster: of three one HP elite Panzer III G 2 were destroyed by infantry. The last one can perhaps evade destruction by breaking through the lines.
Week 24 part one:
The Soviet subs, which broke into the Atlantic, were finally sunk as U 133 helped U 104 and U 92 to sink the boats.
Adler
Adler
Ulaan Baatar and Tijita were taken. There I destroyed 12 Soviet infantries with bombers. In Tijita were also 35 fighters. One of the was downed by a FW 190 fighter, the first kill for this fighter.
Oh I just remember that: Germany had at the beginning of ww2 not one but two fighters (no I don´t count the obsolete He 51 biplanes), the Me 109 anmd the He 112. While latter was seen as too costly, it seemed to be better. So I suggest to give Germany one of these fighters and the possibility to build them. They should cost more than a Me 109 E but should be better. But they should not be upgradeable like the Me 109. And obsolete with the appearance of FW 190.
Also the Maus tank would be great. But I think we can disccuss that later.
New CV ready: von Buttlar- Brandenfels.
PC turn:
My attack on Chulkovo, which failed a few turns ago, turned out to be a disaster: of three one HP elite Panzer III G 2 were destroyed by infantry. The last one can perhaps evade destruction by breaking through the lines.
Week 24 part one:
The Soviet subs, which broke into the Atlantic, were finally sunk as U 133 helped U 104 and U 92 to sink the boats.
Adler
Adler
Sasebo,
Thank you for the report.
"With another 15 or so turns gone I can comment some on France now. For starters, I may have broken the house rules on this one; I abandoned Lille and Verdun. Didn't raze them, but burnt them to the ground to deny them to the Germans. I don't care either way, I absolutely had to do it to save Paris. Half of Germany's Panzer force, about 30+ PzIIIe's are currently marauding through France,along with a dozen or so Infantry types. Oh, and about 20+ Italians too, but compared to the Germans those are sort of a distraction at best. They've been driving all over the vineyards, stampeding the cows, rousting the chickens, and scaring hell out of the President of France. The latest joke in Paris goes something like this:
Where is the German schwerpunkt? Everywhere! Where is it going? Wherever they damn well please..."
Sasebo
One must say that its very positive that Germany-AI is able
to conduct an offensive like this.
"It's just been brutal; my attempt to fortify the Belgian border was a rousing failure. Oh, we built the forts, it just was not enough to stop them. I made the mistake of overextending myself chasing down stray German units in Belgium, and had a nice force sitting on the hill fort east of Strasburg that I had cleared of Germans. Well, about the time Namur fell, the bubble burst. The Germans put all that armor and air power they had used to crush the low countries to use blowing up my expeditionary forces, and plowing into the northern border. It was an absolute tidal wave. I didn't keep track of casualties but that first turn alone I lost 15+ units. For the last 6-7 turns it's been hell. All my units are cowering in the cities and I am constantly juggling trying to keep them all strong enough to withstand attack for one more turn"
Sasebo
With regard to major powers France must be the real challenge!
"But wait! Only HALF of the German Panzers? Where could the others be??? Well, I happened to see a Soviet DD run up against a U-boat off Antwerp, and IMMEDIATELY they declared war, then the USSR turn continued, so I KNOW it was the sub bug this time. Thank goodness! Of course, the Soviet forces are out of position, since, silly me, I tried to put a spy in their capital, and they DOWed me instantly. It was a safe attempt to, no idea what happened except just awful luck. So when the first Soviet unit showed up in French territory(no attack btw, this was puzzling) at Damascus the allies declared war in support before my planned "gift" to Turkey of their old city. I have managed to get peace again, but the Soviets almost immediately redeclared on the US(only), so who knows where this is going."
Sasebo
An interesting situation!
"If the German make peace with the Soviets any time soon I figure I am toast; they will have another 25+ Panzers to throw at me. Also, when the -g type shows up this might all be a moot point."
Sasebo
You are probably right.
"Oh, and to add insult to injury, just before I saved last night the Germans dropped a parachute unit onto Corsica; I had a regular garrison there. The AI did that! Though I was very lucky and had my lone Med transport nearby and I sent over an Elite Infantry to give him a nice surprise..."
Sasebo
Sometimes AI really surprise you.
"Some questions re: air units- So DB still have lethal bombard? and does France ever get a DB type? Also, the axis air units have been on a tear bombing roads and improvements, just a total pain this game"
Sasebo
Some Dive-bombers and Strategic bombers (carpet bombing) still
have lethal land.
Its possible I will give France such bombers from 1941 in version 2.3.
However France shall not survive 1940 if not a human control it.
France never had a chance 1940.
"Oh, forgot to mention that Asia is fairly quiet. Japan has taken several cites from the Chinas, taken Guam but lost Truk. I think I know why. I have spies in the 3 Axis countries and the UK right now; Germany has just built 3 Bismarck class, and Japan has 3 BB's and a few cruisers; Japan is down to 5 transports. UK has 30+ KGV last time I looked, go ahead Germany, build more Bismarcks. Italian navy is completely gone btw, thanks to UK/French efforts. The US showed up late but is now merrily bombarding Rome with about 8 CA per turn. Now when I played Italy and did well navally, so did Japan & to a lesser extent, Germany. Italy getting whomped early has made the US & other allies take the German and Japanese navies to pieces.2
Sasebo
Maybe China should be one Civ in version 2.3.
I will consider it. It seems to easy to knock it out now.
"Outside of the Low countries, Denmark and Poland, Germany has not attacked the other minor European countries. Spain has not gotten dragged into any part of this either, which is real good because my border with them is completely naked"
Sasebo
Maybe its due to the new Light Coastal Flotilla unit.
(Takes away the "submarine-bug")
"After my Italy experience, and now France, I finally realized why Switzerland is taking over my territory squares; I go to war-time mobilization, and get half culture, and they overtake us. Could you move the cities a bit, or change their culture buildings to fix this one Rocoteh? Or maybe it's just a choice you have to make..."
Sasebo
OK, I will look this problem over.
"I noticed that the Axis seems to be getting their Airborne/Marine/SS units; but as of Week 6,1940 I have not gotten any. Are mine on longer intervals, or...? I remember getting airborne out of Algiers as Italy, so I can't figure out where they are. I could really use them right now, trust me.2
Sasebo
In version 2.2 Bordeaux produce Marines with frequency 30 and
Toulouse produce Paratroopers with frequency 30.
"Final thoughts: Well, this IS Sid; maybe thats too rough for France. I made major mistakes though, lost way too many troops on those little offensives. My air units have been gutted(nothing ticks me off more in Civ3 lately as much as my fighters sitting on the runway and just being destroyed when the bombers hit that city. Just try that against the AI fighters and see what happens...), and I am down to 5 artillery, and 5 bombers(1 Bloch 210). It's like throwing peanuts at an elephant. If I had been more careful with my units I would have done loads better. Also, thinking a fort in the open would cut it was a mistake. I should not have tried to defend those plains NW of lille on the other side of the river. Maybe I should not have launched those minor african offensives, but Italy is out of North Africa and Sardinia, and I am knocking on the door in Sicily now. I sent the navy up into the Adriatic and just savaged their coastlines. All those craters are very satisfying right now."
Sasebo
Playing France on Sid-level should be very, very hard.
With regard to that I think you have played well in this playtest.
"With Italy's navy gone, and Germany's virtually so, there's no way they are going to knock me out of Africa, so it is just a question of whether I can hold on in France proper. If the Soviets keep fighting then I may have a chance, since at least half the German armor left after that DoW. Hopefully I live long enough to give another report."
Sasebo
I am looking forward to follow this turns out.
Thank you and welcome back.
Rocoteh
Thank you for the report.
"With another 15 or so turns gone I can comment some on France now. For starters, I may have broken the house rules on this one; I abandoned Lille and Verdun. Didn't raze them, but burnt them to the ground to deny them to the Germans. I don't care either way, I absolutely had to do it to save Paris. Half of Germany's Panzer force, about 30+ PzIIIe's are currently marauding through France,along with a dozen or so Infantry types. Oh, and about 20+ Italians too, but compared to the Germans those are sort of a distraction at best. They've been driving all over the vineyards, stampeding the cows, rousting the chickens, and scaring hell out of the President of France. The latest joke in Paris goes something like this:
Where is the German schwerpunkt? Everywhere! Where is it going? Wherever they damn well please..."
Sasebo
One must say that its very positive that Germany-AI is able
to conduct an offensive like this.
"It's just been brutal; my attempt to fortify the Belgian border was a rousing failure. Oh, we built the forts, it just was not enough to stop them. I made the mistake of overextending myself chasing down stray German units in Belgium, and had a nice force sitting on the hill fort east of Strasburg that I had cleared of Germans. Well, about the time Namur fell, the bubble burst. The Germans put all that armor and air power they had used to crush the low countries to use blowing up my expeditionary forces, and plowing into the northern border. It was an absolute tidal wave. I didn't keep track of casualties but that first turn alone I lost 15+ units. For the last 6-7 turns it's been hell. All my units are cowering in the cities and I am constantly juggling trying to keep them all strong enough to withstand attack for one more turn"
Sasebo
With regard to major powers France must be the real challenge!
"But wait! Only HALF of the German Panzers? Where could the others be??? Well, I happened to see a Soviet DD run up against a U-boat off Antwerp, and IMMEDIATELY they declared war, then the USSR turn continued, so I KNOW it was the sub bug this time. Thank goodness! Of course, the Soviet forces are out of position, since, silly me, I tried to put a spy in their capital, and they DOWed me instantly. It was a safe attempt to, no idea what happened except just awful luck. So when the first Soviet unit showed up in French territory(no attack btw, this was puzzling) at Damascus the allies declared war in support before my planned "gift" to Turkey of their old city. I have managed to get peace again, but the Soviets almost immediately redeclared on the US(only), so who knows where this is going."
Sasebo
An interesting situation!
"If the German make peace with the Soviets any time soon I figure I am toast; they will have another 25+ Panzers to throw at me. Also, when the -g type shows up this might all be a moot point."
Sasebo
You are probably right.
"Oh, and to add insult to injury, just before I saved last night the Germans dropped a parachute unit onto Corsica; I had a regular garrison there. The AI did that! Though I was very lucky and had my lone Med transport nearby and I sent over an Elite Infantry to give him a nice surprise..."
Sasebo
Sometimes AI really surprise you.
"Some questions re: air units- So DB still have lethal bombard? and does France ever get a DB type? Also, the axis air units have been on a tear bombing roads and improvements, just a total pain this game"
Sasebo
Some Dive-bombers and Strategic bombers (carpet bombing) still
have lethal land.
Its possible I will give France such bombers from 1941 in version 2.3.
However France shall not survive 1940 if not a human control it.
France never had a chance 1940.
"Oh, forgot to mention that Asia is fairly quiet. Japan has taken several cites from the Chinas, taken Guam but lost Truk. I think I know why. I have spies in the 3 Axis countries and the UK right now; Germany has just built 3 Bismarck class, and Japan has 3 BB's and a few cruisers; Japan is down to 5 transports. UK has 30+ KGV last time I looked, go ahead Germany, build more Bismarcks. Italian navy is completely gone btw, thanks to UK/French efforts. The US showed up late but is now merrily bombarding Rome with about 8 CA per turn. Now when I played Italy and did well navally, so did Japan & to a lesser extent, Germany. Italy getting whomped early has made the US & other allies take the German and Japanese navies to pieces.2
Sasebo
Maybe China should be one Civ in version 2.3.
I will consider it. It seems to easy to knock it out now.
"Outside of the Low countries, Denmark and Poland, Germany has not attacked the other minor European countries. Spain has not gotten dragged into any part of this either, which is real good because my border with them is completely naked"
Sasebo
Maybe its due to the new Light Coastal Flotilla unit.
(Takes away the "submarine-bug")
"After my Italy experience, and now France, I finally realized why Switzerland is taking over my territory squares; I go to war-time mobilization, and get half culture, and they overtake us. Could you move the cities a bit, or change their culture buildings to fix this one Rocoteh? Or maybe it's just a choice you have to make..."
Sasebo
OK, I will look this problem over.
"I noticed that the Axis seems to be getting their Airborne/Marine/SS units; but as of Week 6,1940 I have not gotten any. Are mine on longer intervals, or...? I remember getting airborne out of Algiers as Italy, so I can't figure out where they are. I could really use them right now, trust me.2
Sasebo
In version 2.2 Bordeaux produce Marines with frequency 30 and
Toulouse produce Paratroopers with frequency 30.
"Final thoughts: Well, this IS Sid; maybe thats too rough for France. I made major mistakes though, lost way too many troops on those little offensives. My air units have been gutted(nothing ticks me off more in Civ3 lately as much as my fighters sitting on the runway and just being destroyed when the bombers hit that city. Just try that against the AI fighters and see what happens...), and I am down to 5 artillery, and 5 bombers(1 Bloch 210). It's like throwing peanuts at an elephant. If I had been more careful with my units I would have done loads better. Also, thinking a fort in the open would cut it was a mistake. I should not have tried to defend those plains NW of lille on the other side of the river. Maybe I should not have launched those minor african offensives, but Italy is out of North Africa and Sardinia, and I am knocking on the door in Sicily now. I sent the navy up into the Adriatic and just savaged their coastlines. All those craters are very satisfying right now."
Sasebo
Playing France on Sid-level should be very, very hard.
With regard to that I think you have played well in this playtest.
"With Italy's navy gone, and Germany's virtually so, there's no way they are going to knock me out of Africa, so it is just a question of whether I can hold on in France proper. If the Soviets keep fighting then I may have a chance, since at least half the German armor left after that DoW. Hopefully I live long enough to give another report."
Sasebo
I am looking forward to follow this turns out.
Thank you and welcome back.
Rocoteh
marklv
Chieftain
I'm having technical problems in loading this scenario. I copied the files into my conquests folder, but when I try to load the scenario my PC freeezes and goes 'program not responding'. What am I doing wrong? Help.
imgrumpy,
Thank you for the report.
"German 2.2
Week 2, 1940
Report: Kreigsmarine sinks 5 American Hvy CA and 1 French Hvy CA in the English Channel. That will teach the Americans to interfere in Europe."
imgrumpy
If AI directed its naval forces as good as it handle ground forces
it would make difference.
"Week 3
Cities Taken: Tver, Kem
Report: Tver taken. The noose is tightening around Moscow. Kem taken. Seems the Finns aren't very aggressive. Destroyed 3 fortresses at Sevestopol. Very close to capturing that city. Russia is well under control so I will now build up a Western Army to take France."
imgrumpy
Yes its time to turn West before France grows to strong.
"Week 4
Report: Norway makes peace with the Allies, so I guess no British invasion. At least the Norweigen navy is mostly destroyed and poses little threat when I decide to invade. I've destroyed all the Fortresses defending Moscow (the city only) and Sevestopol for the loss of approximately 20 inf, 10 panzers, and 10 bombers. Very tough to take those fortresses."
imgrumpy
Its a very strong fortress-chain.
"Week 5
Report: Moscow and Sevestopol should fall soon; maybe next turn. I am personally very weary after the prolonged sieges. That's what I get for spreading my forces thin to capture as much of Russia as possible. I may need to take a break from playing this for awhile...or maybe I'm exhausted and getting sick. I'm just rambling now so I will shut up and go to bed."
imgrumpy
Russia will not recover from this.
Thank you and welcome back.
Rocoteh
Thank you for the report.
"German 2.2
Week 2, 1940
Report: Kreigsmarine sinks 5 American Hvy CA and 1 French Hvy CA in the English Channel. That will teach the Americans to interfere in Europe."
imgrumpy
If AI directed its naval forces as good as it handle ground forces
it would make difference.
"Week 3
Cities Taken: Tver, Kem
Report: Tver taken. The noose is tightening around Moscow. Kem taken. Seems the Finns aren't very aggressive. Destroyed 3 fortresses at Sevestopol. Very close to capturing that city. Russia is well under control so I will now build up a Western Army to take France."
imgrumpy
Yes its time to turn West before France grows to strong.
"Week 4
Report: Norway makes peace with the Allies, so I guess no British invasion. At least the Norweigen navy is mostly destroyed and poses little threat when I decide to invade. I've destroyed all the Fortresses defending Moscow (the city only) and Sevestopol for the loss of approximately 20 inf, 10 panzers, and 10 bombers. Very tough to take those fortresses."
imgrumpy
Its a very strong fortress-chain.
"Week 5
Report: Moscow and Sevestopol should fall soon; maybe next turn. I am personally very weary after the prolonged sieges. That's what I get for spreading my forces thin to capture as much of Russia as possible. I may need to take a break from playing this for awhile...or maybe I'm exhausted and getting sick. I'm just rambling now so I will shut up and go to bed."
imgrumpy
Russia will not recover from this.
Thank you and welcome back.
Rocoteh
Adler,
Thank you for the reports.
"Week 22:
The Black Week- for Turkey: The main part of the Turkish army is now history as they were attacked and destroyed by Stukas and Panzer. Also the torpedo boat Leopard is now veteran. So the only ship still regular is CL Köln. However I am in no way able to start the final assault on Turkey as my forces have to rest to heal. I think in at last three weeks Turkey is history."
Adler
The terrain in Turkey makes it hard to advance fast with mobile forces.
"Heavy dogfights in Russia: At Tijita 2 Me 109 were shot down, one of them elite. But 11 Russian fighters were also downed. A good ratio. Then I sent my bombers to attack Russian infantry. And they were involved in dogfights, too! How many fighter planes did the Russian have? Genral Gehlen said, they had 60 Yak 1 and 16 I 16 and one I 15. Well, my bomber gunners were in 8 dog fights 7 times sucessful. "Only" 58 Yaks and 11 I 16 remain. And 18 Russian infantry, a tank and a motorized Inf were destroyed, another stack of 12 units damaged."
Adler
Agree: A very good ratio.
"Off Halifax my Uboats attacked 2 US BB C2. 11 lost but the BBs are on the bottom of the sea, too.
But back to the Eastern Front, where Tura is mine. In Persia attacking British tanks were destroyed by Stukas and artillery, a few remainder taken out by my Panzer.
Also landing at Kashgar by my paratroopers. There I was really lucky as an enemy fighter appeared there! But it was shot down and so my reserve paratrooper plane, here I suggest the "Tante Ju" 52 for Germany, brought the paratrooper over the landing area. So 5 units are off Kashgar. Mao will sonn be a bit shorter. I mean so a head length ."
Adler
Communist-China will be in severe trouble.
"Week 23:
Ulaan Baatar and Tijita were taken. There I destroyed 12 Soviet infantries with bombers. In Tijita were also 35 fighters. One of the was downed by a FW 190 fighter, the first kill for this fighter.
Oh I just remember that: Germany had at the beginning of ww2 not one but two fighters (no I don´t count the obsolete He 51 biplanes), the Me 109 anmd the He 112. While latter was seen as too costly, it seemed to be better. So I suggest to give Germany one of these fighters and the possibility to build them. They should cost more than a Me 109 E but should be better. But they should not be upgradeable like the Me 109. And obsolete with the appearance of FW 190.
Also the Maus tank would be great. But I think we can disccuss that later."
Adler
Notes have been taken with regard to version 2.3.
"PC turn:
My attack on Chulkovo, which failed a few turns ago, turned out to be a disaster: of three one HP elite Panzer III G 2 were destroyed by infantry. The last one can perhaps evade destruction by breaking through the lines.
Week 24 part one:
The Soviet subs, which broke into the Atlantic, were finally sunk as U 133 helped U 104 and U 92 to sink the boats."
Adler
I guess that most of their naval forces have been spent now.
Thank you and welcome back.
Rocoteh
Thank you for the reports.
"Week 22:
The Black Week- for Turkey: The main part of the Turkish army is now history as they were attacked and destroyed by Stukas and Panzer. Also the torpedo boat Leopard is now veteran. So the only ship still regular is CL Köln. However I am in no way able to start the final assault on Turkey as my forces have to rest to heal. I think in at last three weeks Turkey is history."
Adler
The terrain in Turkey makes it hard to advance fast with mobile forces.
"Heavy dogfights in Russia: At Tijita 2 Me 109 were shot down, one of them elite. But 11 Russian fighters were also downed. A good ratio. Then I sent my bombers to attack Russian infantry. And they were involved in dogfights, too! How many fighter planes did the Russian have? Genral Gehlen said, they had 60 Yak 1 and 16 I 16 and one I 15. Well, my bomber gunners were in 8 dog fights 7 times sucessful. "Only" 58 Yaks and 11 I 16 remain. And 18 Russian infantry, a tank and a motorized Inf were destroyed, another stack of 12 units damaged."
Adler
Agree: A very good ratio.
"Off Halifax my Uboats attacked 2 US BB C2. 11 lost but the BBs are on the bottom of the sea, too.
But back to the Eastern Front, where Tura is mine. In Persia attacking British tanks were destroyed by Stukas and artillery, a few remainder taken out by my Panzer.
Also landing at Kashgar by my paratroopers. There I was really lucky as an enemy fighter appeared there! But it was shot down and so my reserve paratrooper plane, here I suggest the "Tante Ju" 52 for Germany, brought the paratrooper over the landing area. So 5 units are off Kashgar. Mao will sonn be a bit shorter. I mean so a head length ."
Adler
Communist-China will be in severe trouble.
"Week 23:
Ulaan Baatar and Tijita were taken. There I destroyed 12 Soviet infantries with bombers. In Tijita were also 35 fighters. One of the was downed by a FW 190 fighter, the first kill for this fighter.
Oh I just remember that: Germany had at the beginning of ww2 not one but two fighters (no I don´t count the obsolete He 51 biplanes), the Me 109 anmd the He 112. While latter was seen as too costly, it seemed to be better. So I suggest to give Germany one of these fighters and the possibility to build them. They should cost more than a Me 109 E but should be better. But they should not be upgradeable like the Me 109. And obsolete with the appearance of FW 190.
Also the Maus tank would be great. But I think we can disccuss that later."
Adler
Notes have been taken with regard to version 2.3.
"PC turn:
My attack on Chulkovo, which failed a few turns ago, turned out to be a disaster: of three one HP elite Panzer III G 2 were destroyed by infantry. The last one can perhaps evade destruction by breaking through the lines.
Week 24 part one:
The Soviet subs, which broke into the Atlantic, were finally sunk as U 133 helped U 104 and U 92 to sink the boats."
Adler
I guess that most of their naval forces have been spent now.
Thank you and welcome back.
Rocoteh
WildWeazel
Going Dutch
I'm finally getting around to playing this scenario, but I can't find the saved game files. Have they been removed? I'd rather not wait for hours to load it if I can avoid it.
Hi!
First thanks Rocoteh, and everyone else, for what looks like an awesome mod.
Second I cant get it to work.
Everything was done as written on page one of this thread. I can chose my oppressor, difficulty level etc, but when it gets to the screen when normally you'd expect the map to appear and all the glory of the world unfold, nothing happens. I can see the frames for everything, map, advisor buttons, and the text telling me I'm British in wk 36, 1939 etc. Everything else is black. a little load bar is there saying 'Creating Scenario...' but it never gets there.
Help!
Zedi
P.S. sorry if this has been answered before but 216 pages of trawling at this time of night?!
First thanks Rocoteh, and everyone else, for what looks like an awesome mod.
Second I cant get it to work.
Everything was done as written on page one of this thread. I can chose my oppressor, difficulty level etc, but when it gets to the screen when normally you'd expect the map to appear and all the glory of the world unfold, nothing happens. I can see the frames for everything, map, advisor buttons, and the text telling me I'm British in wk 36, 1939 etc. Everything else is black. a little load bar is there saying 'Creating Scenario...' but it never gets there.Help!
Zedi
P.S. sorry if this has been answered before but 216 pages of trawling at this time of night?!
Baldurslayer
Warlord
- Joined
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Aloha,
Every time I finally make some serious inroads on the North American continent Rocoteh comes up with a new version and I have to start over
"Recommencing countdown 1000, 999, 998"
This scenario successfully keeps me away from Civ4, I wonder why
It must be the addictiveness of your work Rocoteh - thank you!
Is anyone using the Me 410? If so I would love to find out how to deploy them in a meaningful manner, the 410 is so beautiful
May the almond be with y'all
Loki
Every time I finally make some serious inroads on the North American continent Rocoteh comes up with a new version and I have to start over
"Recommencing countdown 1000, 999, 998" This scenario successfully keeps me away from Civ4, I wonder why
It must be the addictiveness of your work Rocoteh - thank you!Is anyone using the Me 410? If so I would love to find out how to deploy them in a meaningful manner, the 410 is so beautiful
May the almond be with y'all
Loki
imgrumpy
Lord of War
Suggestion for version 2.3
Rocoteh, please add a barbed-wire graphic instead of the pointless garrison units to stop the ROP issue. That way you can use it more frequently without taking away from the beauty of the landscape. Too bad the civ3 game engine doesn't have the ability to build these like radar towers or forts.
Oh, and will we see some improved leader graphics?
I would love to help you out with anything to keep this scenerio going.
Rocoteh, please add a barbed-wire graphic instead of the pointless garrison units to stop the ROP issue. That way you can use it more frequently without taking away from the beauty of the landscape. Too bad the civ3 game engine doesn't have the ability to build these like radar towers or forts.
Oh, and will we see some improved leader graphics?
I would love to help you out with anything to keep this scenerio going.
WildWeazel
Going Dutch
Zedi said:Hi!
First thanks Rocoteh, and everyone else, for what looks like an awesome mod.
Second I cant get it to work.
Help!
Zedi
P.S. sorry if this has been answered before but 216 pages of trawling at this time of night?!
It's working. It takes a long time for huge scenarios like this to load (we're talking hours). That's why I wanted the save files- they take much less time.
imgrumpy
Lord of War
German 2.2
Week 6, 1940
Cities taken: Moscow, Sevestopol, Murmansk, Gorki
Sweden won't grant me a ROP and demends I remove my mines. So war it is. Finland signs a peace treaty with Russia behind my back. Let's see how they do with Sweden. I redeclared war on Russia and took Moscow, Sevestopol, Murmansk, and Gorki immediately. Russia is down to only 7 tanks and 3 moterized inf. British BB Barham sunk by my last 5 U-boats, only 1 returns. I am sending half the Kreigsmarine to Sweden to teach them who rules the Baltic.
Week 7
Cities taken: Jaroslavl, Brussels, Rotterdam, Antwerp
We will now drive north from Moscow and take all Russian cities west of the Urals. I've built up a significant enough force in Düsseldorf for our invasion of the West to begin. Brussels, Rotterdam, and Antwerp fall easily to my panzer divisions. I quickly install German 88s to defend these cities from counter-attack.
Week 8
Cities taken: Amsterdam, Odessa
Russia declares war on Norway probably the sub bug. Admiral Sheer sinks BB Warspite off Bremen after some U-boat softening. The lask pocket of Russian resistence at Odessa falls, now we will drive to Stalingrad and then south to Baku. That will satisfy my security concerns and ensure Russia will never be a major power and we can have peace. Amsterdam falls, all the lowlands are secure except Namur which I am using as a shield against French counter-attacks. Bismarck class Tirpitz launched.
Week 9
Cities taken: Perm, Kotlas, Namur
The Weirmarcht is steadily driving north, taking Perm and Kotlas. I am ready to sweep into France, taking Namur as my staging point.
Week10
Cities taken: Malmö
Amphbious landing takes Malmö after naval bombardment. The French army proceeds to break itself on my German 88s at Namur.
Week 6, 1940
Cities taken: Moscow, Sevestopol, Murmansk, Gorki
Sweden won't grant me a ROP and demends I remove my mines. So war it is. Finland signs a peace treaty with Russia behind my back. Let's see how they do with Sweden. I redeclared war on Russia and took Moscow, Sevestopol, Murmansk, and Gorki immediately. Russia is down to only 7 tanks and 3 moterized inf. British BB Barham sunk by my last 5 U-boats, only 1 returns. I am sending half the Kreigsmarine to Sweden to teach them who rules the Baltic.
Week 7
Cities taken: Jaroslavl, Brussels, Rotterdam, Antwerp
We will now drive north from Moscow and take all Russian cities west of the Urals. I've built up a significant enough force in Düsseldorf for our invasion of the West to begin. Brussels, Rotterdam, and Antwerp fall easily to my panzer divisions. I quickly install German 88s to defend these cities from counter-attack.
Week 8
Cities taken: Amsterdam, Odessa
Russia declares war on Norway probably the sub bug. Admiral Sheer sinks BB Warspite off Bremen after some U-boat softening. The lask pocket of Russian resistence at Odessa falls, now we will drive to Stalingrad and then south to Baku. That will satisfy my security concerns and ensure Russia will never be a major power and we can have peace. Amsterdam falls, all the lowlands are secure except Namur which I am using as a shield against French counter-attacks. Bismarck class Tirpitz launched.
Week 9
Cities taken: Perm, Kotlas, Namur
The Weirmarcht is steadily driving north, taking Perm and Kotlas. I am ready to sweep into France, taking Namur as my staging point.
Week10
Cities taken: Malmö
Amphbious landing takes Malmö after naval bombardment. The French army proceeds to break itself on my German 88s at Namur.
I've tried to install it, but it just won't work... I've coppied the huge file, pastered it in conquest scenario, and also done so with the smaller on... but it just won't work... I'm gonna ripp of my hair if this contineu! Plz, som1 - help me understand the problem!
thanks!!!
thanks!!!
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