WW2-Global

[Bob1475]

USA v. 2.2 SID

I am back - glad to see all the new people and interesting playtests as Italy, France and Yugoslavia!

Anyway, as promised, I am doing the US - probably not popular because of the long time until action.

Our strategy is obvious - use the time granted by the huge oceans(and our sizeable Navy to protect us) to build our infrastructure and start our Army basically from scratch. We will cede everything West of Hawaii to the Japanese after some modest airforce transfers. We will hold the line at Hawaii and Alaska.

Eventually build up a large enough force to take a few islands and go straight for the Japanese home islands. From there we hope to take all islands held by the Japanese. At the point our success in the Pacific is obvious we will shift to a European front - either via Spain or Italy - take out the Germans and then converge on Russia from two fronts.

1939 Report

Week 37 - Japan declares war on Soviets and Axis all in.
We transfer a few bombers to the Phillipines and take out a few Japanese destroyers. Dutch Navy makes a nice showing but is easily wiped out.
Week 42 - Germans take last Polish city
Japanese take Guam
Week 43 - Soviets declare war on British - Allies all in
Week 44 - Japanese take Manila
Week 46 - Davao lost
Week 48 - Germans take Yugoslavia (very agressive for AI! good for them!)
Week 50 - Germans take Denmark
During these weeks we build 35 workers and set them about mining, etc. We even start a few on the Transcontinental railroad (doubt it will be done by 1944)
Building manufacturing capabilities in all cities and a few transports.

At year end we are fighting off raids near Hawaii.

In Europe Germany holds the Benelux, Denmark, Poland(except Warsaw which the Soviets hold!) and Yugoslavia - impressive! (and no city razed!!) No French cities taken but, in my opinion excellent strategy for German AI - no spy so I cannot tell how many units they have left. Germans have taken Liepaja from the Soviets. Italy is intact.

In Africa British have taken Tobruk and French Tripoli - Italians hold the rest of their starting position.

In Asia the Japanese have gone Northwest again (big mistake!) and have taken Yenan, Lanchow and Ansi. Also taken Canton in the South but not any cities East of there. Japanese definitely should drive South and center rather than North. The Northern cities cannot be developed.

Japanese did do a good job in taking the Phillipines and continued on to take Makassar and Benjarmasin.

If Germans can make peace with Russians then they will be free to take out French.

 

[Adler17]

Week 50:
New BB ready: von Francois.
New CVs: Kurt Wüsthoff, Rudolf Windisch
New CVE: Copenhagen

In Africa Walfisch Bay and Capetown fell. With that Britain has ceased to exist as African colonial power.
In Asia Makassar on Celebes and Batavia and Soerabaya on Java were captured. With the loss of the latter called cities the Netherlands ceased to exist. Completely.
Also the Hindenburg class BB Spichern intercepted a British KGV BB. With only 2 HP less the Spichern is only slightly damaged after the KGV was sunk.

PC turn:
A few ship movements and a small battle between Yamatos and British CVEs near Makassar. Needless to say who won.

Adler

 

[Hubschrauber]

I think you should introduce the Czech Panzer 38(t) to Germany and have it non-buildable. They did make up 25% (correct me if im wrong) of the German Armour at the outbreak of war.

Also, Finland should have some kind of panzer. Maybe a a special one that they can only build. Maybe a variation of the panzer I or II.

I don't think that WW1 destroyers should have "detect invisible" enabled. Just my opinion.

 

[Crispin]

Hello everyone

Its some time since I last played this scenario, and I see there has come a new version, so since theres no real cool civ 4 scenarios around yet im giving civ3 another go. Playing as the french(which I love to play under ww2) with the difficulty set to the middle(cant remember the name)

Im not sure if this is the same scenario, but I miss the names on my tanks, like char etc, now everything is called divison, is this something new or am I mixing this scenario up with another ww2 scenario? I also miss my great foreign legion soldiers Anyway, the scenario looks superb, and I know I will enjoy it once more, because ive played it, quite a few months ago Also, veeeeery confusing having the purple color, and Britain being blue, well not that confusing, France was purple in the ww2 scenario for civ2?

I have a 20 lcd widescreen which runs best at 1680-105 resolution, is there a way to change the res in the game? I read something about changing a civilization 3 file, but I cant find that file in my folder. I tried adding keepres1 into my conquerst3.ini file, but then the game wouldnt start.Forgive me for not reading through all the pages that ive missed since ive been away, but im a bit tired now, but I'll probably do it later

Thanks in advance

 

[William GBTW]

Okay. I agree about the WWI destroyers and such. Weaken the Costal Defence ships (they are Pre-Drednought's after all). Make it where Finland and Italy can build a Panzer variant, provided they trade with Germany for the Germany resource. Make it where Finland can build:
Battleships;
Battlecriusers;
and the like.

 

[Crispin]

Question, I didnt find any italian tanks in Tripoli etc, I think this is the first scenario which doesnt include a whole bunch of italian tanks there. So why? Im sure the scenario is correct but maybe you understand why its a bit odd?

 

[Sasebo]

Hubschrauber: When your game was lost, you didn't check the auto save file? Or you didn't have it enabled? Lots of times when the regular save I am working with goes bad, all you need to do is use the last autosave to recoup the position.

Also, I know you are right about the the Czech Pz38, but does it really need it's own unit? Germany already has a great many UU already, and I don't think the Pz38 was all that much different then the German Panzer I-IIs, was it? They ended up using those Pz38 chassis in other tank/SP guns later on anyway, didn't they? If we are going to ask Rocoteh to add more units I think something like the Finnish Ski troops w/ all as road would be a better use of a unit slot. Finland does not have many toys to play with, as WilliamGBTW has mentioned.

Speaking of which, France really does seem to have a pretty weak unit mix Rocoteh. I mean the M10 Wolverine is like the highlight of my research path. Our air unit options seem pretty wimpy. At the beginning sure, but didn't they get something better later on? I don't see any dive bomber/heavy bombers, and the best fighter I see is a 6-6, unless that fighter I see in Air 1943 or '44 is a P-47 or something. By that time Germany will be fieliding Me262s...

If I am not mistaken, we now have THREE French playtests going; that's just too weird.

 

[pazza]

My Japan playtest was going pretty well, so I think i'll end it and switch to someone else. Someone unique (Perhaps Spain!)

Anyway, what I learned from my Japan playtest is that Indonesia does NOT need to be conquered by the Japanese. There is already oil in the home islands, and rubber is only required to build the Battleship (Or something like it) What I propose is that the Type 97 Chi-ha requires rubber. This will force the Japanese to find a source of Rubber (Preferably from the Dutch Indies). Because rubber is required for tanks (the treads) this is very realistic. That way a human player who needs the Type 97 Chi-ha to defeat Britain's infantry will have to conquer Indonesia first, as that is more realistic.

I also propose making Canada (or India) separate civs. They will be allied with the allies, as they were, but making them separate civs reduces Britain's turns taking so long. I think canada or india would be very interesting to play as. You could give them new infantry units (Basically Indian Infantry and Canadian Infantry, that's always easy ). The only problem will be aircraft. I do not know anything about their aircraft, in fact i bet they probably used Britain's. Anyway, that's just a suggestion.

 

[Hubschrauber]

Sasebo: I guess you're right about the 38(t). It is pretty useless to give Germany another UU. And about my Civ crashing, everthing in my Conquests folder got corrupted somehow so the Autosaves were useless too.

William GBTW: I don't think giving Italy panzers is historic, but I know Finland had some.

Oh and I forgot, maybe somehow you could incorporate the Corvette ship. Canada used alot of those for escorts!

 

[William GBTW]

No India wasn't independant till after WWII. Candana perhaps. But I'd rather see an African civ like Ethopia or see Saudi Arabia. But there already is 31 civs IIRC.

 

[Despair888]

Correct, Canada was it's own country, and did play a factor in WWII if I recall correctly. India I believe was really not considered it's own country. However, as stated, we have the max reached.... I don't think there are many, if any, civs that can be taken out...

 

[Adler17]

Canada was independent and also did not declare war on Germany until a week later to show the independence. India however was a colony and despite the British king being Emperor of India it can´t be recognized as independent country.
Also the only country in Africa existing in that time was Liberia. Ethiopia was now under Italian rule.

Adler

 

[Rocoteh]

Adler,

Thank you for the report.

"Rocoteh, I mean that my graphics of the map, so desert, ocean, forest, etc. is still civ III standard and not modified."
Adler

OK I see.

"Week 48:
Banjamarsin on Borneo is now mine.
New BB ready: Kahlenberg.
T 13 sank a British DD off Dakar.

Nothing else to report, except a KGV which is en route to Europse from North

Week 49:
New BB: v. Emmich.
New CVs: Hans Kirschstein, Heinrich Kroll
I took Lusaka and Kimberly. As well I made aerial landings at Batavia, Makassar and Soerabaya after bombing their garrisons to death. Then until my fleet arrives I have to go into a defensive position."
Adler

Soon you will control whole Dutch East India.

"Das Oberkommando der Wehrmacht gibt bekannt:
Shortly before Christmas Petropawlowsk has fallen. With the capture of that town by our glorious Pz III G the Unternehmen Barbarossa is completed. Russia has stopped being independent but joined now completely the German Reich. A Russian task force on her way to invade most probably Japan has scuttled, as our Uboats in the Pacific just confirmed after taking the survivors.
Also shortly after the fightings ended the dead remains of Stalin were found in the town. Most likely he commited suicide. Also some of the worst criminals of the history, among them Berija and Molotow, were captured. Due to the work the trial before a special senate of the Reichsgericht can start next year.
Also new messages from the Pacific Uboat flotilla off Kuroshio. A US invasion force of three damaged BB C2 and a convoy unit were destroyed by the Uboats. One boat is now on eternal patrol however. Nonetheless a great victory."

This must be one of the fastest Barbarossa-campaigns completed.

"PC turn:
Brazil and the US are at war.

Tech land 1943 discovered. Finally I can build up strong offensive units in preparation for D- Day!"
Adler

I am looking forward to to follow the invasion.
Thank you and welcome back.

Rocoteh

 

[Rocoteh]

Akrasia,

Thank you for the report.

"1) I left all neutral European countries alone as long as they remained neutral and with the exception of those countries that Germany invaded historically"
Akrasia

"2) I made every effort to maintain peace with the USSR in the early part of the game"
Akrasia

"3) I made every effort to consider the effects of winter when fighting on the Eastern Front."
Akrasia

"4) I will assist my allies as much as possible—even if it means some amount of sacrifice."
Akrasia

Very good house-rules.

Since the game-engine sets sharp limits for what can be done to
increase realism the best way (if one more wants more realism) is
to introduce house-rules.

With regard to "official" house-rules I will stay with those related
to victory conditions and the rule that says its not permitted to raze
cities with intention.


"My aid to the Japanese has been minimal (we’ve traded luxuries, and I have given them Aluminum). Once I had taken the Suez, I put together the largest fleet I could and sent it off toward the Pacific via the Indian Ocean, but by the time it got there, I was amazed to discover that the Japanese AI had everything under control. . ."
Akrasia

For sure that is a surprise!

"AI Behavior
I know that some of you have complained about the Japanese AI performance, but I am here to tell you that (at ‘Sid’ level at least) they are not to be trifled with. At the current stage of my game, the Japanese have taken all of Indonesia, all of China, all of Southeast Asia, every small pacific island except Hawaii and New Caledonia, have razed two cities in western Australia (Darwin was one of them), have razed four cities in eastern India and have taken Dehli! The US and British AI have sent forces to reclaim island possessions and have even succeeded a few times, but the Japanese have always come back (I was hoping I could beat them before they re-took Port Moresby, but alas, I was too slow-Japanese armoured units will take it this turn I believe. It is true that they have appeared to be passive toward the Soviets (they did take Bugian-sp?), but you can hardly blame them."
Akrasia


This is very good news, although its disturbing that AI continues
with mass-razing of cities. Then it looks like Japan-AI plays better then
previous thought.

"The Russian AI represents I think the most challenging aspect to this scenario. They were an incredibly difficult opponent when I played as the Brits, and they have been no less difficult playing as the Germans."
Akrasia

That is also very positive.

"The American AI has been remarkably aggressive given their distance. Only a few turns after I had taken the UK city of Plymouth, was I shocked to discover the city being attacked by an American transport fully loaded with Marines. When I moved on to take Iceland, I nearly lost the city to an invading convoy filled with five marines and three Lee/Grants! This has forced me to maintain a very strong naval presence in the Atlantic."
Akrasia

Yes the good thing with allowing transports carry a large number of
units is that AI will benefit from it.

So there it is, IMHO playing Germany has been as entertaining as playing the Brits, just different. I’m not sure what I will do once I meet my objectives on the Eastern Front. I do want to give version 2.2 a try. . ."
Akrasia

Thank you and welcome back.

Rocoteh

 

[Rocoteh]

Rocotech; I'm getting that information I have up; here is a preview of what is to come...I just hope this book survives; it will no doubt provide valube information concerning WWII. It is perfectly legal since under federal law anything that is published by the Federal Government is public domain (and this is so old) and it was declassified in 1954.

William GBTW,

Thank you.

I am looking forward to read this.

Rocoteh

 

[Rocoteh]

I think you should introduce the Czech Panzer 38(t) to Germany and have it non-buildable. They did make up 25% (correct me if im wrong) of the German Armour at the outbreak of war.

Also, Finland should have some kind of panzer. Maybe a a special one that they can only build. Maybe a variation of the panzer I or II.

I don't think that WW1 destroyers should have "detect invisible" enabled. Just my opinion.

"Oh and I forgot, maybe somehow you could incorporate the Corvette ship. Canada used alot of those for escorts!"
Hubschrauber


Hubschrauber,

Its all good ideas.

I will have them in mind for version 2.3 and the graphic update.

Rocoteh

 

[Rocoteh]

Bob1475,

Welcome back!

"I am back - glad to see all the new people and interesting playtests as Italy, France and Yugoslavia!

Anyway, as promised, I am doing the US - probably not popular because of the long time until action."
Bob1475

Yes there is some time since a US playtest was reported.

"Our strategy is obvious - use the time granted by the huge oceans(and our sizeable Navy to protect us) to build our infrastructure and start our Army basically from scratch. We will cede everything West of Hawaii to the Japanese after some modest airforce transfers. We will hold the line at Hawaii and Alaska.

Eventually build up a large enough force to take a few islands and go straight for the Japanese home islands. From there we hope to take all islands held by the Japanese. At the point our success in the Pacific is obvious we will shift to a European front - either via Spain or Italy - take out the Germans and then converge on Russia from two fronts."
Bob1475

I think US should be one of the most interesting Civs to play in this
scenario. After defeating the Axis powers one can continue the war
and go for Soviet.

"1939 Report

Week 37 - Japan declares war on Soviets and Axis all in.
We transfer a few bombers to the Phillipines and take out a few Japanese destroyers. Dutch Navy makes a nice showing but is easily wiped out.
Week 42 - Germans take last Polish city
Japanese take Guam
Week 43 - Soviets declare war on British - Allies all in
Week 44 - Japanese take Manila
Week 46 - Davao lost
Week 48 - Germans take Yugoslavia (very agressive for AI! good for them!)
Week 50 - Germans take Denmark
During these weeks we build 35 workers and set them about mining, etc. We even start a few on the Transcontinental railroad (doubt it will be done by 1944)
Building manufacturing capabilities in all cities and a few transports."
Bob1475

Its hard to see why Soviet-AI so often goes to early war with
the Western Allies.
No reason it seems.

"In Europe Germany holds the Benelux, Denmark, Poland(except Warsaw which the Soviets hold!) and Yugoslavia - impressive! (and no city razed!!) No French cities taken but, in my opinion excellent strategy for German AI - no spy so I cannot tell how many units they have left. Germans have taken Liepaja from the Soviets. Italy is intact."
Bob1475

Yes this is very good.


"In Asia the Japanese have gone Northwest again (big mistake!) and have taken Yenan, Lanchow and Ansi. Also taken Canton in the South but not any cities East of there. Japanese definitely should drive South and center rather than North. The Northern cities cannot be developed.

Japanese did do a good job in taking the Phillipines and continued on to take Makassar and Benjarmasin."
Bob1475

A rather good start for Japan-AI.


"If Germans can make peace with Russians then they will be free to take out French."
Bob1475

Yes it will be interesting to see if Germany-AI can achieve that.

Thank you and welcome back.

Rocoteh

 

[Rocoteh]

Week 50:
New BB ready: von Francois.
New CVs: Kurt Wüsthoff, Rudolf Windisch
New CVE: Copenhagen

In Africa Walfisch Bay and Capetown fell. With that Britain has ceased to exist as African colonial power.
In Asia Makassar on Celebes and Batavia and Soerabaya on Java were captured. With the loss of the latter called cities the Netherlands ceased to exist. Completely.
Also the Hindenburg class BB Spichern intercepted a British KGV BB. With only 2 HP less the Spichern is only slightly damaged after the KGV was sunk.

PC turn:
A few ship movements and a small battle between Yamatos and British CVEs near Makassar. Needless to say who won.

Adler

Adler,

Thank you for the report.

I am looking forward to follow the campaign in America.
It will be interesting to see how strong the US forces will be.

Welcome back.

Rocoteh

 

[Rocoteh]

Hello everyone

Anyway, the scenario looks superb, and I know I will enjoy it once more, because ive played it, quite a few months ago

"Question, I didnt find any italian tanks in Tripoli etc, I think this is the first scenario which doesnt include a whole bunch of italian tanks there. So why? Im sure the scenario is correct but maybe you understand why its a bit odd?"
Crispin

Crispin,

Thank you. I am glad to hear that.

On your question:

Its because Italy did not have any armoured foces in Libya
September 1939.

Welcome back with more comments on the scenario.

Rocoteh

 

[Rocoteh]

Okay. I agree about the WWI destroyers and such. Weaken the Costal Defence ships (they are Pre-Drednought's after all). Make it where Finland and Italy can build a Panzer variant, provided they trade with Germany for the Germany resource. Make it where Finland can build:
Battleships;
Battlecriusers;
and the like.

William GBTW,

Notes have been taken.

However one should have in mind that Finland did not have
capacity to build Battleships and Battlecruisers during WW2.
In such a case it would be a "what-if" option.

Rocoteh