WW2-Global

[Rocoteh]

Hi! This is my first post. Downloaded this and played as germans. Great scenario Rocoteh! I especially like the naval units and their graphics

Some observations if i may:
1. About the research tree. It's a bit ambiguous and misleading. Not all lines are connecting to the right advances. Also one cannot tell if there are really new units to be build unless he knows a bit WW2 history. And some units advertised (such as StuG3G after researching Sea 1942) can't be build.

2. Inability to negociate ROP with allies such as Romania/Hungary/Yugoslavia.
I got irritated by that but happily they declared war to the italians somehow and i conquered it.

3. Some tank stats don't seem right. T-34/85, IS-1 and IS-2 should be better. I can detaliate on that if you like.

4. City police is way too expansive. The unit is weaker than german infantry bot more expensive!

5. The are some unknown luxuries who doesn't have icons on city view.

6. German cruiser Graf Spee should be faster. It was known to have higher firepower then the ships that matched its speed and higher speed than the more powerfull ones. Maybe a different class (like Bismarck) is worth taking in consideration.

7. Germans are a bit too powerfull overall. Panzer 1 and 2 were very light bot speedy tanks. Maybe a weaker attack/defense and a speed of 3 should be more accurate?

8. There are no unit upgrades as far as i found out.

9. What is with that 1 plane capacity Japanese carrier? Pretty much useless i think.

10. ... and finally...there are pigs bonuses near many muslim african cities!

Anyway, despite many minor correctable flaws the scenario is outstanding

mircea74,

1. Tech-tree can be improved I agree on that.
Thank you for reporting the StuG3G-bug. I will check out.

2. Romania and Hungary are in a locked alliance with Germany and
Italy. They should not be able to declare war on Italy.

3. Tank-stats are always open to debate. Please remember that
these units represent whole divisions.

4. With intention. The idea is that AI shall not build them.
Will not be a possible build at all in version 1.2.

5. I will check that.

6. Agree. I had such plans for version 1.0, but dropped them.
Its possible I make a special unit-class for them in 1.2.

7. Again: Its divisions. The German 1940 Panzer-division had much more
tanks than the 1941 division, although there were more Pz III in
the 1941 division.

8. By intention.

9. That is the Light Carrier Hosho (12 Aircraft).

10. Yes, that can be corrected.

Rocoteh

 

[perkins-mah]

I have played some more and this is whats hapening so far.

I havent got invovled in europe, but i have cleared the sea around uk of the Germans, I have taken out most of Italys African Empire exept one city which is holding out, I have sent bobmers to try and help me out with this.

Also I decided to Destroy Persia/Iraq Saudia Arabia and Taiwan, I now have a Clear supply line form south Africa to Singapore and Most of my Army is from Drafts which are handling very well.

I havent seen any action from Japan and infact th enetherlands declared war against me so i am in the process of taking many of the dutch east indieas i share.

Germany and Japan and Italy Havent realy botherd me at all apart from Navaly so at the moment im just building up my empire, i set nearly all cities to produce a worker first of all in the hope i can set up a good insustry

 

[psweetman1590]

"2. Inability to negociate ROP with allies such as Romania/Hungary/Yugoslavia.
I got irritated by that but happily they declared war to the italians somehow and i conquered it."

As I found out, you don't start out with embassies with these "allies." Just create an embassy, and all will be well.

And a general strategy note: As Germany, England, France, or any European power, once you have the front secure, build workers. Lots of them. Mine to your hearts' content. It will help a LOT.

Game update for Germany: Dang it, Japan declared war on Russia, dragging me in. This seems a bit backwards....as I know history, Germany started that war, and was begging Japan to join in. Well, France is almost done in, and my SS are holding back the Soviets for now. Those Motorized rifle divisions are tough! their infantry are easy pickings though, and are just cannon fodder for those 88s. HAHAHAHA!!!! once France is done, ho for Spain!

 

[Rocoteh]

I have played some more and this is whats hapening so far.

I havent got invovled in europe, but i have cleared the sea around uk of the Germans, I have taken out most of Italys African Empire exept one city which is holding out, I have sent bobmers to try and help me out with this.

Also I decided to Destroy Persia/Iraq Saudia Arabia and Taiwan, I now have a Clear supply line form south Africa to Singapore and Most of my Army is from Drafts which are handling very well.

I havent seen any action from Japan and infact th enetherlands declared war against me so i am in the process of taking many of the dutch east indieas i share.

Germany and Japan and Italy Havent realy botherd me at all apart from Navaly so at the moment im just building up my empire, i set nearly all cities to produce a worker first of all in the hope i can set up a good insustry

perkins-mah,

I think I will include Netherlands in a locked alliance with
Britain and France from start.

Its interesting that Germany and Japan have been no problem
so far.

Thank you for the report. I hope I will hear more from you in the future.

Rocoteh

 

[Rocoteh]

"2. Inability to negociate ROP with allies such as Romania/Hungary/Yugoslavia.
I got irritated by that but happily they declared war to the italians somehow and i conquered it."

As I found out, you don't start out with embassies with these "allies." Just create an embassy, and all will be well.

And a general strategy note: As Germany, England, France, or any European power, once you have the front secure, build workers. Lots of them. Mine to your hearts' content. It will help a LOT.

Game update for Germany: Dang it, Japan declared war on Russia, dragging me in. This seems a bit backwards....as I know history, Germany started that war, and was begging Japan to join in. Well, France is almost done in, and my SS are holding back the Soviets for now. Those Motorized rifle divisions are tough! their infantry are easy pickings though, and are just cannon fodder for those 88s. HAHAHAHA!!!! once France is done, ho for Spain!

psweetman1590,

Thank you for the report.

I am really looking forward to the new Diplomatic Module
in Civ 4. It will (hopefully) be an heavy improvement.

It will be interesting to follow the war in Russia.


Rocoteh

 

[ComradeDavo]

Rocoteh - I am curious to know if you experimented with Victory Points at all with this scenario? Maybe VP loacations could be used to stimulate the AI into launching conquests, such as in North Africa or the Dutch East Indies.

Anyways, I am downloading save games for 1.1 now. Playing as Japan in 1.0 was fun, but I want to try Germany now.

 

[Rocoteh]

Rocoteh - I am curious to know if you experimented with Victory Points at all with this scenario? Maybe VP loacations could be used to stimulate the AI into launching conquests, such as in North Africa or the Dutch East Indies.

Anyways, I am downloading save games for 1.1 now. Playing as Japan in 1.0 was fun, but I want to try Germany now.

ComradeDavo,

No, I have not done any experiments with Victory Points, but as
you say that can be a good way to go with regard to AI.

I am very interested to hear reports on the War in the East.


Rocoteh

 

[El Justo]

VP locales could be a nice incentive for the AI. i know the silly AI goes after them w/ ferocity;-)

 

[ComradeDavo]

ComradeDavo,

No, I have not done any experiments with Victory Points, but as
you say that can be a good way to go with regard to AI.

I am very interested to hear reports on the War in the East.


Rocoteh

I found that with enough air bombardment, it is possiable as Japan to work your way through the chinese cities, taking them one by one. China also invaded Thailand. I took Hong Kong in 1940 - week 1. Also Germany took Paris in 1940 week 6, by which time I had started working my way into French Indo-China. Most of my fleet as been sunk, only the Battleships and air craft carriers remain.

I plan to play again as Japan in the future, it is very fun! I also fancy trying Britain,for theirs was a truly global war, but for now I want to see how Germany plays out.

I think I will try using victory points.......as El Justo says the AI does go after them with fury and I hope it will engourage the AI to get out and invade people! I will report back later in the thread with the results I think that Victory Points are very much to one's personal taste though, i do like them but I can understand that others do not. It is easy to add them and save as a different scenario, so I figure I might as well give them a try

 

[Volkssturm88]

Ok so im playing as germany and a few things struck my eye

1. the SS are good fighters but they were most well known for their fierce defense, especially when the germans were falling back from the eastern front

2.HE-111's only take off one hp, however the JU-88 takes off two. Naturally the HE-111 being a heavier bomber should be the stronger one.

3. Continental France has too many troops. While i realize that they had around 6 million troops left by the time of the fall of Paris, since there is no way to simulate a surrender they should have less.

4. this one is partially my own laziness in that the fortresses along the Maginot line are too strong since most aerial attacks end in a failed attempt. Is this normal or are my pilots extra bad?

5. Iraq/persia should be Germany's allies since both Iraq and Iran declared their support of Germany, hence bringing about the reason why Rommel and his Afrika Korp were sent.

6. There is oil in Germany, when in actuality it wasnt oil that the allies consistantly targeted but oil refineries. Plus it gives Germany an incentive to fight in Africa

7. This im not sure but my HE-111's keep on getting shot down by the early Russian aircraft, i forget their names at the moment but I was under the impression that the Soviets never had aircraft in the early years of the war that were good enough to take down medium bombers such as the HE-111, i could be wrong though

8. There are a few cities that get razed, several in China and Lyon. Is there any remedy for this?

9. Theres no oil in Somalia, wasnt that the whole reason Italy invaded?

10. No tiger or king tiger? those were Germany's answer to the T-34 and its successors, more so than the Panther which got less action. That is excluding Barkmanns corner

11. Personally i made the tundra terrain worth more shields to simulate the Siberian manufacturing boom

keep on making scenarios, your the king

 

[Pfeffersack]

3) From the view of France, I wouldn't say that.At least in v1.0 defending was rather difficult; I haven't played far enough in 1.1 yet to comment here.
4) This is intended, the Maginot-line is not meant to be easily overrunned.It has got beefed up in 1.1 (70 defence!)
8) Sadly no, as said many times earlier in this thread.
10) I think the reason for this is the units represents divisions.I'm not an expert here, but as far as I know there were no German divisions which consist entirly Tigers or King Tigers. But I'm sure Rocoteh has factored the additonal strength in the stats.
11) Maybe worth a try.Cannot comment on SU production level in WW2 global, since I haven't choose this side, but it think is not unrealistic to make the siberian cities quite productive.However, there are some ways to do this, each with its advantages and disadvantages.

 

[Volkssturm88]

would kind of drawbacks would making tundra very shield productive have? I havent encountered any problems but perhaps i need to play further into the game

 

[Volkssturm88]

also, there were no panther tank divisions that i know of, im pretty sure that by the time the Panzer V came around, the germans were throwing whatever they had at the allies. Also if you have any answers to my other questions i would appreciate it

 

[Volkssturm88]

oh yes and this is off topic but i noticed something, in alot of scenarios, not just civilization scenerios but also ones from games like Battlefield 1942, that the BF-109 is sometimes called the ME-109 and vice versa, i forget what BF stood for, i think something Fokker but if you know tell me because its been bugging me

 

[psweetman1590]

oh yes and this is off topic but i noticed something, in alot of scenarios, not just civilization scenerios but also ones from games like Battlefield 1942, that the BF-109 is sometimes called the ME-109 and vice versa, i forget what BF stood for, i think something Fokker but if you know tell me because its been bugging me

Yes, I've heard the plane called by both names before too. they are the same. Don't let it bother you.

Also: "2.HE-111's only take off one hp, however the JU-88 takes off two. Naturally the HE-111 being a heavier bomber should be the stronger one."

I've had the HEs take off as many as four hp...or maybe my memory is faulty. Anyhow, I'm certain they have a rate of fire higher than 1.

 

[Sasebo]

It has been a Long time since I was reading about that sort of stuff, but if I recall correctly ME stands for Messerschmitt( manufaturer) while the BF was something to to with Luftwaffe references? Like a designation for single seat fighters? I remember the 'Z' in the ZG was for zerstorer Gruppe or something for the ME-110s, two seat fighters, I don't remember if the BF was along those lines or some other reference...

Back on topic: Rocoteh, I have a BIG problem! I downloaded all the relevant files, I think I have them all in the right places, but I gave up trying to load the scenario since it was too much for my computer. I have DLed your Barbarossa scenario and played that with no problems, not a big load time or anything. I have experience with Teturkhans big global map with cities but I am thinking this one will be even worse since unlike his scenario you have way more cities and a vast horde of units at the start.

I tried to use the save games but I get the following error at about 34 or 44%: A little error box pops up(I am running XP btw) with the message- DataIO Operation System Error: Lead

Clicking OK pops up a usual Civ3 box with: Load Error - Error Loading File - "Crogram Files\Infogrames\Interactive\CivilizationIII\Conquests\Saves\Ch'iang of the Chinese,week36,1939AD.sav"

I tried the US position save in that same Zip file and got the same result. I have not tried the other save files yet;have not unzipped them either to be honest. I should mention I almost always use default paths when I DL since it makes adding patches easier later, for me anyway. What am I doing wrong??? I don't think I am in the wrong folder or anything. I did get a little confused by your instructions so far as the other files were concerned, I was unable to use cut and paste/copy as you instructed. I DLed all the files to a separate Download folder and extracted the two from there to CivIII\Conquests\scenarios, that is the right place yes? The biq file should be outside the WW2 Global file in there, right? I hope you can help with this, I would very much like to play it, Japan needs to get their nose tweaked...by me.

 

[Volkssturm88]

Yes, I've heard the plane called by both names before too. they are the same. Don't let it bother you.

Also: "2.HE-111's only take off one hp, however the JU-88 takes off two. Naturally the HE-111 being a heavier bomber should be the stronger one."

I've had the HEs take off as many as four hp...or maybe my memory is faulty. Anyhow, I'm certain they have a rate of fire higher than 1.

Ive never gotten more than 1 on the HE-111, not only that but almost every bombing mission is a failure. JU 88s usually get 2 and most missions are a success. JU 87b's almost always get 4 and they succeeded about 97% of the time.

 

[Volkssturm88]

Hey saesbo, do you have winzip? if so just unzip and when it asks what folder to send it to, send it to the civ3/conquests/scenarios folder. gimme a second and ill send you the exact address, assuming you installed civ 3 in the default area

 

[Volkssturm88]

C:/program files/infogrames/civ3/conquests/scenarios
this is if you did everything the default way and didnt get all fancy, like a city boy

 

[Rocoteh]

I found that with enough air bombardment, it is possiable as Japan to work your way through the chinese cities, taking them one by one. China also invaded Thailand. I took Hong Kong in 1940 - week 1. Also Germany took Paris in 1940 week 6, by which time I had started working my way into French Indo-China. Most of my fleet as been sunk, only the Battleships and air craft carriers remain.

I plan to play again as Japan in the future, it is very fun! I also fancy trying Britain,for theirs was a truly global war, but for now I want to see how Germany plays out.

I think I will try using victory points.......as El Justo says the AI does go after them with fury and I hope it will engourage the AI to get out and invade people! I will report back later in the thread with the results I think that Victory Points are very much to one's personal taste though, i do like them but I can understand that others do not. It is easy to add them and save as a different scenario, so I figure I might as well give them a try

Comrade Davo,

Thank you for the report.

Yes, I will see what I can do with the Victory Points to
direct AI in the next version.

I hope you will send reports from the playtest with Germany

Rocoteh