WW2-Global

[Rocoteh]

Speaking of which, France really does seem to have a pretty weak unit mix Rocoteh. I mean the M10 Wolverine is like the highlight of my research path. Our air unit options seem pretty wimpy. At the beginning sure, but didn't they get something better later on? I don't see any dive bomber/heavy bombers, and the best fighter I see is a 6-6, unless that fighter I see in Air 1943 or '44 is a P-47 or something. By that time Germany will be fieliding Me262s...

If I am not mistaken, we now have THREE French playtests going; that's just too weird.

Sasebo,

Yes you are right.

When I made the scenario in 2004 I did not think that many people
would play France. So it did not get many grahpics compared to some
other Civs. However now many players think that France is interesting
and I will have that in mind when its time for the graphic update.

I still think its unrealistic if France survive 1940 given its not played
by a human.

The reason is that even if Allied commanders not had made mistakes
in May 1940 its hard to see France holding out more than 4-5 months.

Rocoteh

 

[Rocoteh]

My Japan playtest was going pretty well, so I think i'll end it and switch to someone else. Someone unique (Perhaps Spain!)

Anyway, what I learned from my Japan playtest is that Indonesia does NOT need to be conquered by the Japanese. There is already oil in the home islands, and rubber is only required to build the Battleship (Or something like it) What I propose is that the Type 97 Chi-ha requires rubber. This will force the Japanese to find a source of Rubber (Preferably from the Dutch Indies). Because rubber is required for tanks (the treads) this is very realistic. That way a human player who needs the Type 97 Chi-ha to defeat Britain's infantry will have to conquer Indonesia first, as that is more realistic.

I also propose making Canada (or India) separate civs. They will be allied with the allies, as they were, but making them separate civs reduces Britain's turns taking so long. I think canada or india would be very interesting to play as. You could give them new infantry units (Basically Indian Infantry and Canadian Infantry, that's always easy ). The only problem will be aircraft. I do not know anything about their aircraft, in fact i bet they probably used Britain's. Anyway, that's just a suggestion.

pazza,

Spain sounds interesting although not easy.

With regard to what you say on Type 97, I think its a good idea.
I will consider it for inclusion in version 2.3.

On Canada:

I will make a separate post on this subject.

Rocoteh

 

[Rocoteh]

Sasebo: I guess you're right about the 38(t). It is pretty useless to give Germany another UU.

Hubschrauber,

However Pz-38 was an important tank for Germany
during the early years of the war.
I will see if its possible to give it a role in the scenario.


Rocoteh

 

[Rocoteh]

On Canada:

1939 Canada was a dominion within the British Empire.

Right now there are no "surplus-civs". However I can of course merge
two minor civs to make Canada independent.

There are problems though:

1. It will make Britain-AI much weaker. That will be a problem since
most players still prefer to play Germany.

2. It will not make the scenario overall more realistic since the Canadian
divisions were integrated with the British forces.

Still its possible I will make Canada a separate Civ in one of the coming
special AI-versions.

Rocoteh

 

[Rocoteh]

I am going off-line soon and will be away for a month without
Internet-connection.
Will return May 27.

I hope you will continue to post playtest-reports and comments
on the scenario while I am away.

Rocoteh

 

[Adler17]

Erm Rocoteh, could you help me concerning my graphics problem, I mean only to have the standard map graphics?

Adler

 

[William GBTW]

lol Adler17 listen! I installed Snoopy's so ALL scenarios without custom terrain are like that! Your graphics are working!

 

[Adler17]

Week 51:
While patrolling off Boston a US convoy of a CA C2 and a convoy unit is spotted by U 194. It attacks and sinks both ships and is now elite but damaged. It is now en route to the next harbour for repairs.
South off Maputo a British 1941 DD is sunk by my Stukas.
New BB: Zorndorf
New CVE: St. Petersburg

PC turn:
A Yamato attacked near Surabaya a British convoy of a TR and a KGV BB. The KGV BB sank the first Yamato but was sunk by the second. Now there is the TR alone left.

Adler

 

[Crispin]

MY poor french fighters got wiped on germany's first turn, trying to intercept some bombing from Germany, damn they are weak!

Week36&37: Positioning most of my division at the border, ready to defend Belgium and the Netherlands. Putting all my artillery at the border, bombarding Germany troops going for Belgium and germany fortifications. Captured Tripoli after little resistance.

 

[El Justo]

Erm Rocoteh, could you help me concerning my graphics problem, I mean only to have the standard map graphics?

Adler

Adler,

i think the issue here is that William GBTW has a custom Terrain folder in his Civilization III/Conquests/Art directory. this set-up has it so each and every game you play, the customized Terrain gfx appear.

now, if you install that Terrain folder in the Civilization III/Conquests/Scenarios/WW2 Global/Art directory, then you would see these custom Terrain gfx only when you play WW2 Global.

a note on disabling sea and air trade:
there are pros and there are cons associated w/ this method.

the pros are clearly obvious: up to 700% reduction in turn/load times & an ability to isolate build ques (among other small things)

the cons are an inability to send one's resources abroad as well as the lack of trading w/ other AI civs that do not have a road network linking up to your capital.

imho, the reduction of turn times and the build que isolations far outweigh cons associated w/ disabling trade.

 

[Adler17]

@ William: Good idea. I think I do that, too.

Week 52:
Near Java my Ju 87 sank the lone British TR.
New CV: Wilhelm Schreiber
CVE: St. Petersburg
New BBs: Höchstädt, Renown, Friedrich Wilhelm von Braunschweig
Lubango taken.
Lost a uboat by sinking a US CA C2, 7 further by sinking a KGV BB off North America.

PC turn:
A British KGV spotted near North America another near Java escorting a CVE.

Week 1 1943, part 1:
With the fall of Huambo Portugal ceased to exist.

Adler

 

[William GBTW]

Finland, Regent, V. 2.2, MA
*
AI:
Sweden asks for Peace Treaty, I refuse; they aren't willing to give me city(ies) in exchnage. They bomb Vaasa and the USSR navy. Swedish navy fights USSR. USSR big huge ship barely wins in the epic battle. USSR sends forces near Kiruna and Sundsvall. USSR attacks and loses at Sundsvall from south. 1 USSR Calvary dies at Kiruna. Pestamo falls into Civil Disorder. I pay off loan to Soviets
*
Week 34, 1940:
Nothing.
*
AI:
2 Soviet Tank Divisions die in the battle for Kiruna, as do 3 Soviet Infantry units. Tornio builds Library. Lulea falls into Civil Disorder.
*
Week 35, 1940:
Nothing.
*
AI:
Swedish bomb USSR units. USSR pulls out many tanks. USSR amphibouis team goes toward Stockholm. Helinski builds tank.
*
Week 36, 1940:
In a bombing raid over Sundsvall the barracks there are destroyed.
*
AI:
Luftwaffe bombs Sundsvall! Soviets lose on 1939 Destroyer. Sweden bombs Vaasa and USSR fleet. ITaly makes peace with Sweden. USSR tanks return. Pestamo builds Tank. Lulea builds tank.
The S. Chiniese take Ningpo.
*
Week 37, 1940:
I attack Swed Radar Tower; I loese one tank and take out the radar tower, which is near Sudsvall.
*
AI:
Swden bombs USSR army near Lulea and sends amphibous force near Vaasa; all Axis declare war on Swden as it attacks Vaasa; 3 of the 4 attackers die; the 4th takes Vaasa. USSR moves toward Vaasa and the USSR takes Stockholm.
*
Week 38, 1940:
I lose one tank and one infantry and race infantry to Vaasa; I must beat the Soviets.
*
AI:
USSR fails to take Sundsvall . Tornio builds harbor. Tampere builds Tank. Kuopio builds Tank.
*
Week 39, 1940:
I attack Vaasa; one tank dies. Vaasa liberated by 2nd Infantry Division.
*
AI:
USSR army moves toward Kiruna and Lulea and blocks my roads; USSR takes 50 units to kill one infantry...I'm getting tired of those Soviets and I'll take them out someday!
The defeated Soviet army leaves Sundsvall. USSR lands forces near Sundsvall.
Turku builds Tank.
*
Week 40, 1940:
I have all units near Sundsvall attack as it looks like its about to fall; all attacks fail; luckily the Swedish infantry gained health from the battle so Soviets might not win. I don't want to share Scandinavia with USSR; Sundsvall is tough nut to crack. Finland should be able to build Paratroopers and Maines with right techs. My hands are shaking as I type this...I'm into it; I felt so close to winning...Sundsvall is so hard to take.

 

[William GBTW]

Finland, Regent, V. 2.2, MA
*
AI:
8 out of 23 Soviet bombers are shot down by AA over Sundsvall. Soviets retreat They re-send ampbhious team from Tallin. Helinski builds Transport. Kemijarvi builds bomber.
*
Week 41, 1940:
Nothing.
*
AI:
4 out of 15 Soviet bombers shot down over Sundsvall. USSR navy bombards Sundsvall. Soviets land invasion force near Sundsvall. Soviet Motorized Rilfeemn Divison killed.
*
Turku builds Transport. Lissabon razed.
*
Week 42, 1940:
I land 2 tanks near Sundsvall.
*
AI:
1 of 8 Soviet bombers shot down over Sundsvall. Soviets land more forces near Sundsvall. USSR navy bombards Sundsvall.
*
Week 43, 1940:
Nothing.
*
AI:
3 of 19 Soviet bombers shot down over Sundsvall. USSR navy bombards Sundsvall. 1 Soviet tank dies in seige of Sundsvall. Those Communist b2462ds take Sundsvall.
*
Week 44, 1940:
NOTHING!
*
AI:
NOTHING BUT THOSE DANG SOVIETS TICKIN' ME OFF!
*
Week 45, 1940:
I'm sink of those Soviets; I'm going to take a break from playing as Finland nad play as Italy. I hope by play test helped and I'll continue it later.

 

[William GBTW]

Italia (Italy), Warlord, V. 2.2
*
Week 36, 1939:
Il Papa andare e Vactican and papa andare e inferno (I now some Italian...not to good though yet).
I bomb il inferno out of France and sink most of thier navy. I declare war on Jugoslavia ("land of the South Slavs") and I sink ALL thier navy I corner most of the Greek navy as I plan war on them later. Italia dominca il Europa!

 

[imgrumpy]

Italy 2.2, Chieftain

Week 9 Nicosia
Nicosia, Cypress taken; last enemy city with access to the Med falls. Germans take Bagdad. Spotted Finland Infantry near Damascus.

Week 10 Dongola
Germans take Ahvaz, Persians are eliminated. Dongola taken.

Week 11 Khartoum, Jerusalem
Khartoum falls to my tanks, we have almost completed the land link to our African colonies. Jerusalem taken. We must hurry to Damascus before the Germans get there. The bulk of the Italian fleet is sailing down the Red Sea to Port Sudan.

Week 12
A taskforce of several British DDs attempt to sneak into the Med while my BBs are repairing at Gibralter, but I manage to sink/stop them.

Week 13 Damascus
Damascus falls. I probably won't get to Kirkuk before the Germans. I'm now developing plans for Turkey.

Week 14 Port Sudan
Combined naval, land, and amphibious assault successfully conquers Port Sudan. Our link to the Horn of Africa is complete.

Week 15 Aden
Germans raze Kirkuk. Aden taken by amphibious landing.

Week 16
We have sent several tank divisions into Africa to help create a buffer zone for our more productive cities. However, our main effort is focused on building up an invasion force for Turkey. I've put some troops around Suez to block and atempts by my Allies to send troops into Africa. That continent belongs to the Roman Empire. Germany can have Eurasia.

 

[Adler17]

Week 1, 1942 part 2:
Brazzaville taken. But before I continue here is the OoB of the great powers:

Germany

Heer:
7 paratrooper
1 cavalry
15 mobile artillery
7 mobile rocket artillery
30 German army HQ
1 Flame thrower
106 German infantry divisions
12 PzKw V Panther
117 PzKw IV F2
100 8.8 cm guns
6 PzKw II
4 PzKw III E
3 fortress
7 SS infantry
11 Slovakian infantry
12 German security divisions
2 heavy artillery
37 garrison
2 light divisions
31 Panzergrenadiere
5 SS Panzer 1943 (Here I suggest to introduce them as Tiger I and II resp.)
20 StuG IIIG
27 special fortress
227 Pz III G
1 German artillery brigade
30 Hungarian div
36 Rumanian divisions
19 Bulgarians

Luftwaffe (including ship based aircraft)
3 Hs 129
9 Do 17
217 Ju 87
5 Ju 188
39 He 111
14 Me 110
144 Me 109
73 Ju 88
15 Paratrooper transports (Here I suggest Ju 52)
91 FW 190

Kriegsmarine:
30 BB Hindenburg class
51 BB Bismarck class
7 BB Scharnhorst class
4 BC Deutschland class
2 BB Deutschland class (Predreadnought)
43 CV C3
3 CV C2
9 CVE
7 CA C2
1 CL C2
7 CL
1 CL AA
12 DD 1939
62 DD German 1939
19 DD 1941
28 SC
194 SS VII
74 SS IX
1 SS
3 PF
1 Special TR
72 TR
9 Marines
34 Minefields

Japan:

Army:
1 Paratrooper
16 mobile artillery
394 Japanese infantry
93 type 94
14 type 97
8 heavy artillery
3 FlaK
8 Chinese infantry
39 special fortress
11 militia

Air force:
1 Betty
13 Kate
38 Nate
13 Val
4 paratrooper planes
17 Zero

Navy:

43 BB Yamato class
3 BB C2
3 BB
8 CV Shokaku
1 CA
28 1939 DD
3 SS Otsu
17 TR

Britain:

Army:
1 cavalry
1 artillery
1 mobile artillery
1 British tank brigade
1 Indian inf
125 British infantry
12 cruiser Mk I
218 Matilda II
18 cruiser Mk IV
28 Crusader
1 Commando
11 heavy artillery
60 British militia
4 garrison
2 FlaK
2 special fortress
3 ANZAC Inafnatry
3 Canadian Infantry

Air force
2 Beaufighter
1 Seafire
23 Typhoon
1 Mosquito
30 Skua
4 Whitley
5 Hurricane
168 Spitfire
6 Paratrooper planes

Royal Navy:
8 BB KGV
5 CVE
8 CL
3 DD WW I
5 DD 1941
2 SS
9 TR

USA

US- Army:
5 paratrooper
5 cavalry
7 artillery
365 infantry 1939
12 M 4 Sherman
38 M 2A2
44 M 3 Lee/ Grant
7 M3A1
26 M5A1
74 M 10
5 US paratrooper
20 heavy artillery
16 US heavy artillery
9 garrisons
10 FlaK
2 special fortress
155 US infantry 1943

USAAF:
1 recon plane
4 B 25
5 Avenger TBD
1 A 24
13 Dauntless SBD
53 F2A Buffalo
4 paratrooper planes
1 P 38 lightning
15 F4F Wildcat
12 fighter

US- Navy:
10 BB C2
1 CVE
19 CA C2
4 TR
7 convoys
230 Marines 1942
6 Marines 1939

New ships:
BB: Katzbach, Großbeeren, Dennewitz, Mars-La-Tour, Metz
CVE Oslo

Also attacked and destroyed with planes the British force of one KGV BB and CVE. There I also shot down with my only elite FW 190 a British fighter. My plane is down to 2 HP.

PC turn:
A British CVE drives to the vincinity of Surabaya and a KGV sinks one of my boats in the Atlantic.
Chile destroyed Peru and the Allies are at war with Brazil.

Adler

 

[Bob1475]

USA SID v2.2

1940 Report

Perhaps we have been overly cautious. We spent most of the year building up infrastructure and marines, transports, planes. We only launched our first counterstrike flotilla in November and it will reach Guam in a few weeks. Of course it has sixty (60) marine/infantry units so we are fairly sure of a successful landing and hold. Massive airunits will ferry in and a second force will be launched next week with successive waves.

1940 was fairly quiet until the last two months:

Week 1 - Peace with the Soviets followed by immediate declaration of war by the Soviets against us. Who can understand them?

Week 6 - Peace with the Soviets

Week 10 Britain declares war on Soviets and we are back at it (I think we saw about three Soviet units during the entire year)

Week 15 - Peace with the Soviets

Week 23 - Japan eliminates the Dutch! Here is where I begin to think that playing a defensive game has freed the Japanese to grow too strong!

Week 38 - Japan eliminates the Communist Chinese!

Week 45 - Japan razes Prudhoe Bay!! A real shocker! We had earlier sited a Japanese force going North and had placed a large group (carrier and three BB) SW of Anchorage. But we missed the Japanese going all the way around. A masterful stroke but we caught them and destroyed them on their way back to their home Islands. Key error on our part.

Also, in the same week a direct attack on Hawaii. Great timing by the Japanese! We had missed the force as we mistook the BB for one of our own. Not a good excuse. In any case, Hawaii had been reinforced - we held the islands and destroyed the invaders.

Week 47 - Finland declares war on Soviets, Axis all in! Soviets declare war on Norway. Why not??

Week 48 - Second round of invaders fought off near Alaska and Hawaii. Massive air strikes prove the difference.
Germany declares war on Norway.

Week 52 - Soviets declare war on Allies - again.

We sight another Japanese force near Hawaii - this time two Yamatos, 1 BB and one transport. It will be bloody but we will fight them off assuming we can slip our invasion force north of them and on to Guam.

1941 will be a lot more action as our unit production is reaching a peak and our transcontinental RR will be finished in January (underestimated the efficiency of those democratic workers!)

Meanwhile, elsewhere -

Europe - Germans have taken all of France except Brest, city near Spanish border razed. Germans have retaken Warsaw from the Soviets and have pushed only as far as Vilnius (of course the wars have not last long with Russia). Russians have Radom. No other changes. Germans were off to a great start in 1939 but not too much progress in 1940. Surprise they have not finished the French yet.

Africa - Italians still hold Addis Ababba but the others have gone to the Allies.

Asia - The Japanese have taken all Comm Chinese cities, one razed (auto?) but I suspect this brings them into direct contact with the British. Japanese hold Canton and Amoy, Ningpo but have not taken Hong Kong. Very limited progress against the Chinese. As stated they eliminated the Dutch and hold all of those cities and have actually taken Singapore!

There is evidence of some interesting battles around Persia. Soviets hold Teheran,Germans have Mashad!, two cities razed

 

[Adler17]

Week 2:
Kamina is mine.
New BB: Amiens, Orléans
New CV: Karl Thom

PC turn:
A few enemy ship movements, but nothing worth to report.

Adler

 

[BadKharma]

I think it would make this scenario more interesting if you started with the world situation in december 1941 with the majority of europe and part of russia under german occupation. And a good portion of China under Japanese control. Since the US wasnt involved in the War until then it seems weird playing the US in 1939.

 

[Adler17]

Bad Kharma, due to the undeclared naval war and the lend lease program the US were de facto at war with Germany even before.

Adler