WW2-Global

I_batman said:
Rocoteh, I agree in principle that Take2 should release a statement about the no-CD patch/hack/whatever.

But in reality, it is clear they have given up thinking about Civ III at all.
Is it legal to distribute that patch? I have no idea.
Is it ethical? That is up to the individual, I believe. I personally have no problems with people using it.
Will Take2 ever issue a statement about it? Incredibly unlikely.
Will Take2 legally go after an individual user of the patch? Personally, I can't imagine how they could. How would they know who is using it, who is not?

I suppose they could go after a site that distributes the patch if Take2 thinks they can make some easy money.
But as I said before, Take2 does not care a whit about Civ III anymore. Since that German magazine has been posting that patch for two years, I can't imagine they would start legal actions against that distributor now.

I personally believe EVERYONE who has paid for a copy of CIV should use the patch.
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I batman,

Its possible I will use the patch in the future.
However not now.

On Take2:

I would not be surprised if they will disengage from Civ soon.

Rocoteh
 
Hornblower said:
The concept of a no-raze patch for this scenario is sound. The fact that it has to be used in conjunction with a no-CD patch is legally dubious. As long as CIV3 is commercially available then the legal ramifications are equally dire.
As the prominence of C3 drops below the radar the policing of no-CD patches is bound to also drop off. Remember though that the administrators of this site are legally bound to stop any distribution of such things and if/when they eventually notice these discussions they will no doubt reinforce their position about the distribution of the no-CD patch. They cannot stop individuals instituting patches but I am sure that Roc doesn't wish to see all his great work undone just to overcome a slightly annoying AI trait. I must admit I once dabbled with the no-CD patch when I lost my copy of the CD. It led to buggy and unstable gaming. Fortunately a spring clean turned up my CD again. Anti-raze patches are a personal thing and I hope that v2.5 will not incorporate such an addition.
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Hornblower,

I think you are right.

There will not be a anti-raze patch with version 2.5.

Rocoteh
 
Adler17 said:
A last word to the legal situation: The thing is over for Firaxis. Also if you do not include the patch in a file uploaded on this forum, let's say in the huge download at, for example 3ddownloads, you also can't get problems with this forum. The forum is not distributing it. If a mod sees any problems with that legal pov, please let me know it. Anyway again it is highly unlikely that Firaxis is doing anything. And even more unlikely they are successful with a legal action.
They are refusing to make another patch. They are selling the program but in return gave up the support. Another arguments against them. Also it could be soon bad PR if they would act now. Not so good to sell Civ IV BTS or Civ V.

IMO the patch is solving more than it is making problems. Also I had no problems with the patch (any of the patches). Indeed I am lucky to have it as my CD is working but has also a crack and won't survive for long if I use them as I use the program.

However it is your decision to use it or not, Rocoteh. I only wanted to give you a solution for many problems.

Adler
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Adler,

My final comment on the anti-raze patch.

I appreciate your info on this issue.
However there will not be an anti-raze patch with version 2.5
due to the unclear legal situation.

I will not rule out to include it in the future should the owners
of Civ 3 make a public statement or if there will be any other
type of clarification.

Rocoteh
 
This map really looks nice, I downloaded both files (.biq file and the 134MB folder) and I placed them in the right folder. But if I try to play the map then it doesn't work anymore since the 'loading bar' shows:

'Configuring scenario'

I have Civ3 Complete and it actually should work.
 
It takes 10 - 20 minutes to load.
 
ok thanks for your help, i got the same problem with your version of this map ;)

i will try them again and wait 10-20 minutes

if you save the game, will it cost so much time too then? or is saving and loading faster?
 
Thanks all, it's a great map :goodjob: , but very long loadingtimes :sad:

I toke the Netherlands (i am Dutch) but being Holland isnt very nice in the WW2

Next time I will be Great Britain

Everybody who worked at this map: very well! its very beautiful
 
I got the scenario to load once.... now I go to restart the game and it keeps giving me a load error for Art/units/infantry/infantrydeath.wav. Which I find hysterical since the file IS in the scenario' art/units folder as well as every OTHER art/units folder in the game install folder. I made sure that it was replicated in all the likely search path folders for the game, except those that already had a copy of it.

So this is incredibly frustrating, I wait 10-20 minutes and the dang thing fails on a file that exists, is in the proper places that the game should be searching for it, and it found it once already.

As to the patch issue? As I understand the DMCA you as the legal owner/purchaser of a CD are allowed to burn a backup copy of it; as the game publisher does not allow you to actually do that, they are in violation of the DMCA.

Though no consumer has the wherewithal to push the point in court and with the present administration in the US it is not likely that you will see their DoJ do anything to protect consumers rights.
 
bobtdwarf said:
As to the patch issue? As I understand the DMCA you as the legal owner/purchaser of a CD are allowed to burn a backup copy of it; as the game publisher does not allow you to actually do that, they are in violation of the DMCA.

Though no consumer has the wherewithal to push the point in court and with the present administration in the US it is not likely that you will see their DoJ do anything to protect consumers rights.
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Hate to hijack the thread, but that's an inaccurate restatement of U.S. law under the Digital Millenium Copyright Act. The DMCA only says that you are allowed to circumvent the copy-protection scheme in order to make a backup copy as an exercise of your individual fair use rights. But the publisher/seller is not violating the law by putting a copy-protection scheme on the CD/DVD. That is because "fair use" by its nature is not an "affirmative right"; it is only a defense against an infringement action by a copyright holder (i.e., it is best thought of as a shield, not a sword).

The problem here is that it is illegal to distribute a technological measure which is primarily designed to circumvent the copyright protection scheme (the actual prohibition is a bit more complex, but that's the general drift).

The issue arises because there is a difference in this part of the DMCA between "copying" and "unauthorized access". People who are already authorized to "access" the copyrighted work (i.e., purchasers) are allowed to circumvent the copy-protection to make a backup. But those who are not authorized to access the game are prohibited from using technology to circumvent the protection scheme.

The problem with the C3C "no-CD" patch is (1) that it doesn't have anything to do with making an authorized copy of the game, and (2) it presumably would allow someone who did not purchase a copy of the game to nevertheless gain "access" to the game once they had obtained the program. That's why it's most likely illegal to distribute it. Fair use is probably broad enough though that a purchaser of the game would be able to legally use the no-CD patch, but that still does not make it legal to distribute the patch in the first place.
 
Rocoteh said:
WW2-Global

Scenario Creator: Rocoteh

Original Scenario Creator: Meateater.

WW2-Global 2.3 have been released.

Link to important info on WW2-Global written by Bob1475:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=107698&page=192&pp=20

Link to improved Civilopedia written by saulosi.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=3103422#post3103422






WW2-Global 1.0 Removed after 863 Downloads
WW2-Global 1.1 Removed after 469 Downloads
WW2-Global 1.2 Removed after 838 Downloads
WW2-Global 1.3 Removed after 1510 Downloads
WW2-Global 1.4 Removed after 123 Downloads
WW2-Global 1.5 Removed after 1071 Downloads
WW2-Global 1.6 Removed after 5 Downloads
WW2-Global 1.7 Removed after 568 Downloads
WW2-Global 1.8 Removed after 2205 Downloads
WW2-Global 1.9 Removed after 1096 Downloads
WW2-Global 2.0 Removed after 2683 Downloads
WW2-Global 2.1 Removed after 1850 Downloads
WW2-Global 2.2 Removed after 3192 Downloads
WW2-Global 2.3 Removed after 909 Downloads




Download:

WW2-Global folder 134 MB.

http://www.3ddownloads.com/civfanatics/civ3/scenarios/WW2_Global.zip

and biq-file:
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the link to the 3ddownloads shows that it is version 1.4 and not version 2.4 which could be part of the file not found issue perhaps?
 
About the no raze patch.

Let me show you what I put on the front page of my 1940 version of this scenario.

The no raze patch is HIGHLY recommended with this scenario.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=194794

Disclaimer.
The no raze patch works with civ complete, but if you installed conquests over vanilla civ 3 the patch does not work. If you install a "no CD patch" then the no raze patch works with conquests installed over vanilla civ 3.
Since the legality of a "no CD patch" is in question I will not encourage or give instruction of how to locate a "no CD patch".
I take no responsibility if you download a "no CD patch" and you get a virus or something.
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I think it would be good just to post something like this on the front page of this scenario.
 
Hi Bob, wellcome here! No, the DL at 3ddownloads is okay as this is the last version needed to play for the 2.4 version. I mean the scenario is on 2.4, the other art thingies like units and so on are on 1.4 as since then no graphic update came.
Such a disclaimer Equuleus made should work. However if Firaxis allowed PC Games (German magazine) to publish the no CD patch, what is highly propable, they can not tell anyone not to use the patch or make a hint on it. Otherwise they had to know about that and can not act anymore. Shall I ask 2k Jason if Firaxis is at least tolerating the patch or accepts such a disclaimer? Just to have an answer?

Adler
 
A guy working for Firaxis and lurking around here. He also sais, Firaxis is following the comunity. If he is right or wrong this means they know about the patch. Or at least have to know about that.

Adler
 
 
It is a great idea to ask him.
Please post as soon as you get an answer from him.
 
I believe the problem is Rocoteh does not wish to distribute something that can be seen as possibly illegal. If anyone wants to use the no raze patch on their own machine there is nothing stoppping tham but please let the man do as he wishes since he created this scenario.
 
Hi Jason,

I am a great fan of the scenario World War 2 Global by Rocoteh (and many others here around) for C3C. In this thread we had the discussion in how far it is allowed/tolerated to use/distribute the no raze patch for Civ III Conquest. This patch by Skyer 2 is working for Conquest (not Civ 3 Vanilla or Civ 3 Complete) only with a No CD Patch. However this No CD patch was made public by the German PC Games magazine a few years ago. They had published Conquest in one of their volumes. However due to severe problems with that Conquest version they had to publish a No CD Patch in the very next volume to be able to run it.
So my question is, if it is allowed or at least tolerated by Firaxis or Take 2 to use and distribute the patch within a scenario.
As it seems there won't be another patch for Civ III the community is on her own to deal with that and to solve the problems. It would be bad for the community if they are not allowed to deal with the problems since no other patch is available. I can understand economical decisions not to make another patch. However that would not make it right to deny selfmade patches for the public. That would not be very good news for the community.
If there are problems with a direct distribution within a scenario is a disclaimer proposing the patch for Civ 3 Complete acceptable but without making a direct hint how to get a patch for Civ III Conquest?
To be fair I have to warn you about the fact I was studying law in Hamburg (I completed that and I am writing my dissertation now). Although I can only speak about my own opinion, a legal action against such a distribution would be very problematical as Firaxis or Take 2 had to know about the patch PC Games published (I can not think they published that without support by either Take 2 or Firaxis). Also as they have an eye on the forums to watch the community they also had to know about Skyer's patch. As they did not act for a year in the latter case they at least seem to tolerate that. Thus any action against it would be a venire contra factum propium.
Anyway no one of us wants any legal action nor bad PR. I hope this is not seen as threat, what I do not want to do. In contrast. I very respectfully ask you, if you can get a reaction by any official in charge of this problem. So please ask him/her if we are allowed to distribute the patch with the NO CD patch or if it is at least tolerated to do so. If not is a disclaimer like I proposed acceptable? I know the best solution would be a new patch, but since this is unrealistic the community has to help herself to solve the problems. It would be unfair to deny them this.
I hope this PM did not become a threat or made any impression in that way, as legal discussions can be taken as such too fast, although they are not meant in such a way. I am only respectfully asking. If you think this PM is too agressive please use only the tenor and not this PM directly.
Please let me know you got this PM and please give me the answer of the officials as soon as possible. I know, that won't be too soon, as this is a big firm.

Your's faithfully

Adler
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This is the PM I wrote to 2K Jason.

Adler
 
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