WWII Europe: Small, Fast & Beautiful for IV - Discussion & Creation Diary

[Paasky]

That's right, and the US units are ONLY auto-created for the British (& USSR if they are at war with Germany)

 

[Danel]

I don't know how complex do you want to be this mod and I don't know if you want every civ to be playable. I can deliver you the historical information about Romania between 1939-1945. It's your choice...

Romania
Facts (scripts):
- enter in war at Nov 23 1940 against Russia (join Axis)
- switch sides in Aug 23 1944 against Germany (join Allies)

Army (for now only mobile units)

FT Light Tank
Serviced:1919-1944
Crew: 2
Weight: 6.5 t
Lenght: 4.04 m
Width: 1,.73 m
Height: 2.13 m
Engine: Renault 4 cyl., 35 HP
Max. speed: 7.72 km/h
Gun: 1 x 37mm Puteaux
Machinegun: 1 x 8mm Hotchkiss
Armor: 6-22 mm


R-1 Light Tank (mod. version of AH IV Tank produced by Ceskomoravska Kolben Danek)
Serviced:1936-1943
Crew: 2
Weight: 3.5t
Lenght: 3.2m
Width: 1.79m
Height: 1.67m
Engine: Praha 6liters, 60HP
Max. speed: 45km/h
Gun: none
Machinegun: 1 x 7.92mm ZB37 & 1 x 7.92mm ZB30
Armor: 5-12mm


R-2 Light Tank (mod. version of Skoda LT vz.35 Tank)
Serviced:1939-1945
Crew: 4
Weight: 10.5t
Lenght: 4.45m
Width: 2.14m
Height: 2.20m
Engine: Skoda T11
Max. speed: 40km/h
Gun: 1 x 37.2mm Skoda gun
Machinegun: 2 x 7.92mm ZB-53
Armor: 16-25mm


R-35 Light Tank (based on Renault R-35 Tank)
Serviced:1939-1941, 45 maded
Crew: 2
Weight: 9.8t
Lenght: 4.2m
Width: 1.85m
Height: 2.37m
Engine: Renault 4cyl., 82HP
Max. speed: 20km/h
Gun: 1 x 37mm SA18
Machinegun: 1 x 7.92mm
Armor: 14-40mm


T-38 Light Tank (based on Panzerkampfwagen 38(t))
Serviced:1943-1945
Crew: 4
Weight: 9.5t
Lenght: 4.54m
Width: 2.13m
Height: 2.31m
Engine: Praha EPA I-III 6cyl., 125HP
Max. speed: 42km/h
Gun: 1 x 37mm Skoda A7
Machinegun: 2 x 7.92mm ZB-53
Armor: 8-25mm


R-35 Hunter (T-35 modernised)
Serviced:1943-1945
Crew: 2
Weight: 11.7t
Lenght: 4.02m
Width: 1.85m
Height: 2.05m
Engine: Renault 4cyl., 82HP
Max. speed: 20km/h
Gun: 1 x 45mm 20K L/46 anti-tank
Machinegun: none
Armor: 14-40mm


T-3 Medium Tank (Panzerkampfwagen III Ausf N)
Serviced:1943-1944
Crew: 5
Weight: 22.3t
Lenght: 6.4m
Width: 2.92m
Height: 2.5m
Engine: Maybach HL 120 TRM, 300HP
Max. speed: 40km/h
Gun: 1 x 75mm KwK L/24
Machinegun: 2 x 7.92mm MG34
Armor: 30mm


(to be continued...)

 

[Danel]

(continued)

Army (mobile units)

T-4 Medium Tank (Panzerkampfwagen IV G, H and J models)
Serviced:1943-1945
Crew: 5
Weight: 25t
Lenght: 7.02m
Width: 2.88m
Height: 2.68m
Engine: Maybach HL 120 TRM, 300HP
Max. speed: 38km/h
Gun: 1 x 75mm KwK L/48
Machinegun: 2 x 7.92mm MG34
Armor: 30-80mm


TACAM R-2 Tank Destroyer
Serviced: 1944 - 1945
Crew: 3
Weight: 12t
Lenght: 5m
Width: 2.064m
Height: 2.32m
Engine: Skoda T11, 6liter
Max. speed: 30km/h
Gun: 1 x 76.2mm ZIS-3 L/42
Machinegun: 1 x 7.92mm ZB-53
Armor: ?


TAs Tank Destroyer (based on Stug III G)
Serviced: 1942 - 1945
Crew: 5
Weight: 23.9t
Lenght: 6.77m
Width: 2.95m
Height: 2.16m
Engine: Maybach HL 120 TRM
Max. speed: 40km/h
Gun: 1 x 75mm StuK 40 L/48
Machinegun: 2 x 7.92mm MG34 / MG42
Armor: 30-80mm


Maresal Tank Destroyer (inspired in Dec. 1943 German development of the Hetzer tank-destroyer)
Serviced: 1943 - 1945
Crew: 2
Weight: 10t
Lenght: 5.8m
Width: 2.44m
Height: 1.54m
Engine: Hotchkiss H-39, 120HP
Max. speed: 45km/h
Gun: 1 x 75mm DT-UDR
Machinegun: 1 x 7.92mm ZB-53
Armor: 10-20mm


Famo Transport (produced by the German company "Famo Motorenbau GmbH" of Breslau)
Serviced: 1943 - 1945
Crew:
Weight: 18t
Lenght: 8.25m
Width: 2.60m
Height: 2.85m
Engine: Maybach HL 108 TUKRM, 250HP
Max. speed: 50km/h
Gun: none
Machinegun: none
Armor: none

 

[Paasky]

Yes, all civs will be playable. And why shouldn't they? If you want to play as a nation that will be destroyed in the first 10 turns of the game, go ahead

Thats one package of info!

As all advanced units (tanks & aircraft) will be national, everything from the French FT-17's to the German King Tiger will be buildable by any nation that doesn't have its own units of that class.

 

[Silica_Pathways]

Daniel, those are nice pics, but they are quite useless for now, because without official Civ4 SDK released, very rarely someone makes some new Civ4 unit model

 

[Paasky]

Actaully very never Unless its a re-skin.

 

[Danel]

Like I said, it's your choice... I don't know how complex will be the final version of this mod.

About 10 min. destruction:
If you will script events, Romania will stay neutral until Nov 1940 (good time to build an army) when Germany will attack Russia and by that time most of the German army + Hungary divisions will be on the border with Russia (Romania also share border with Russia)
Don’t forget also that Romania was a key position for Germany in invasion of Russia for Odessa corridor and especially for his rich resources of oil (near Ploiesti city). Germany have desperately need of this oil.
So, with good script, resources and other this mod could give a chance of every nation involved in this war.

For neutral country such Switzerland maybe a victory condition will be something like: never going to war and a net worth bigger than x.

About SDK:
Civ3 also don't have the SDK and people still developed good and very good units.

 

[Paasky]

It took over 2 years to create good units into civ3, and becides they were 2d-movie files, these are 3d-files with a weird format.

I was talking more about Poland/Baltics

I'm not going to script certain dates that wars will begin. Maybe detiorateing relations, but no wars (except the Winter War) will begin without the human/ai wanting it. Yes I'm very aware of the importance of Romania, and that is why they have 2 oils in their borders.

 

[Sark6354201]

Some benchmark events should be included though.

Like:

Spanish Civil War (1936)
Marco Polo Bridge Incident (1937)
Anschluss (sp?) of Austria (1938)
Germany demanding Danzig (1939)

I must profess to not reading much of the thread, thus I don't know the timetable, if it starts in 1940 obviously those I listed above couldn't be included. Still, major major events should be included to 'guide' the game to a somewhat historical course.

 

[Paasky]

Yes, all none-european events will happen at the correct time with a +- 5week random.

It begins on 1st of Sept, 1939.

What is this Marco Polo Bridge?

 

[Sisonpyh]

When do we get to see a playable beta version?

 

[Paasky]

9-10 days from now.

 

[Silica_Pathways]

Actaully very never Unless its a re-skin.

Check Civ4 SMAC mod at apolyton. There are some 5 or 6 new unit models made.

 

[Paasky]

they are just models, but no ingame shots. The one with the speeder (or whatever the ships called) is fake (so says the imagetext).

 

[NKVD]

so hum guys as i'm giving the map final touch I was wondering what should I do with the ''free-city of Danzig'' a.k.a. Gdansk...

Since german troops had to make an amphibious assault on the city from the sea while the polish were already there I think the city should be handed to the Poles at the beginning of the game....

Edit...I gave Danzig to Barbarians so that the first civ to get there will have it . In real life it was close but the poles managed to get there first...now I dont know I think the germans play first

Plus if I load the mod Paaski and than the map all the capitals cities are ****ed up...like Tanger is the capital of France and Gotland becomes the capital of Sweden...it goes like that for all the civs..

 

[Sark6354201]

Yes, all none-european events will happen at the correct time with a +- 5week random.

It begins on 1st of Sept, 1939.

What is this Marco Polo Bridge?

The Marco Polo Bridge incident was the cause for Japanese invasion of Northern China.

Non-European events will have the randomness and not the European ones? That's pretty Eurocentric, perhaps I'm misinterpreting you.

Some events can't really have a 5 week period. If you guys are going to have a event setup Vichy France then it should happen immediatly once the conditions are met.

Also, I believe that only major historical events should be included. Events giving free units to nations to make them tougher is silly. Their difficulty should be accurate through having them set up correctly and not through cheap events.

 

[NKVD]

there is no china nor japan in this scenario...the map ends at Oufa- Perm

 

[CivalGanjaman]

"cheap events"
ok but whats wrong with scripting units if at the start it allows the game still be playable on low spec PC's as you no longer need to place 100's of units or whatever.

Im prob wrong though.

 

[Paasky]

The non-european events will happen with a 5-wekk randomness. The europeans will happen only when certain condition is met (Germans get Paris: France joins the Axis, etc)

Also, the British will be getting shipments from the US (guess what the US units are for?) & Canada + S-Africa, India, A&NZ, etc. The USSR will start getting them too if they go to war with Germany (in which case they join the Allies). The size of shipments will increase with the Lend-Lease act being signed (this will also have a +-5week random)

And placeing 100's of units in the beginning would be stupid

 

[Silica_Pathways]

And placeing 100's of units in the beginning would be stupid

I remember Civ3 scenarios with more units just for one civ in beginning It was so boring to move all those units