xUPT
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Valkrionn
The Hamster King
It would not be. Maybe in AND, but certainly not in RifE. You simply promote to Mountaineering, or use waterwalking units, or flying units (several types of which can be captured from animals), and so on.
There is always a way in RifE.
Afforess
The White Wizard
While you can promote to Mountaineering in AND too, I was just worried you could have uncaptureable cities, which would spoil an otherwise perfect game.
Valkrionn
The Hamster King
I agree with you about that. Just saying that RifE gives many different options for those situations. 
Afforess
The White Wizard
Okay good. I ask because I care.
(And because your SVN is private so I can't read the code...)
(And because your SVN is private so I can't read the code...)
Valkrionn
The Hamster King
I can PM it to you if you'd like.
Afforess
The White Wizard
Same thing really. And yes, please.
Valkrionn
The Hamster King
Sent it off.
Afforess
The White Wizard
Totally understand.
I don't buy this myth of an uncrackable city, even if you cannot attack with more than (let say) five units each turn and cities can contain 30 units.
First of all, the attackers will be heavy hitters, Heroes and high experience units. Most of the defenders will be low level chaff.
Secondly, Marksmen can finish off the wounded units.
Thirdly, there is no way a single city can produce replacements for the losses it will suffer. Meanwhile the attacker can replenish troops from the entire rest of the civilization.
And this assumes there is a hard limit of 5 attacks into a square per turn. xUPT has no such hard limit, any unit that can move in, attack and move out again can attack "for free". In favourable situations all that is needed is 3
, easily achieved with Mobility + Haste. To make a ranged attack all you need is 2. Any unit that dies in the attack takes no space and obviously summons can be deleted if they survive.
First of all, the attackers will be heavy hitters, Heroes and high experience units. Most of the defenders will be low level chaff.
Secondly, Marksmen can finish off the wounded units.
Thirdly, there is no way a single city can produce replacements for the losses it will suffer. Meanwhile the attacker can replenish troops from the entire rest of the civilization.
And this assumes there is a hard limit of 5 attacks into a square per turn. xUPT has no such hard limit, any unit that can move in, attack and move out again can attack "for free". In favourable situations all that is needed is 3
, easily achieved with Mobility + Haste. To make a ranged attack all you need is 2. Any unit that dies in the attack takes no space and obviously summons can be deleted if they survive.
Afforess
The White Wizard
Easier said than done.
And why are we all assuming the city that only has one access will be the last city either? What if there was only one way through a mountain pass, and the city blocked the entrance, and a large civilization was on the other side. Then they could defend it indefinitely. I smell a scenario idea...
And why are we all assuming the city that only has one access will be the last city either? What if there was only one way through a mountain pass, and the city blocked the entrance, and a large civilization was on the other side. Then they could defend it indefinitely. I smell a scenario idea...
Afforess
The White Wizard
No,
Assume a impenetrable mountain range cuts the map in two. There is only one pass to cross into the other side, and it is guarded by a heavily defended, large city, with only one access tile in front, and one escape, in the back. Behind the city is a large civilization, and in front, is your civilization. The only way to win is to capture the mountain pass city from the defenders, but with xUPT, you can only field 5 units in the tile directly adjacent to the city, while the city holds 10 strong, heavily promoted defenders, with reinforcements waiting in the mountain pass, should the city fall.
Assume a impenetrable mountain range cuts the map in two. There is only one pass to cross into the other side, and it is guarded by a heavily defended, large city, with only one access tile in front, and one escape, in the back. Behind the city is a large civilization, and in front, is your civilization. The only way to win is to capture the mountain pass city from the defenders, but with xUPT, you can only field 5 units in the tile directly adjacent to the city, while the city holds 10 strong, heavily promoted defenders, with reinforcements waiting in the mountain pass, should the city fall.
lemonjelly
Modding For Ethne
Go Apprenticeship and other XP giving things, and promote units to Mountaneering to get over the mountain and attack from all angles?
Valkrionn
The Hamster King
In any case.... That won't happen on any supported map. It could happen on the Erebus map, but it is NOT supported, NOT recommended, and by default will not be available (but you can easily activate it using the launcher, if you so choose).
Afforess
The White Wizard
I'm not trying to poke holes in xUPT (after all, I was the one who modded it first
)I was just coming up with a scenario idea. Anyway, conceivably, there could be a spell that makes it so even mountaineering units can't climb the mountains. It's all conjecture though.
lemonjelly
Modding For Ethne
Yeah, I know, just wanted to show that there are ways around that
But, it would make a really, really cool scenario
But, it would make a really, really cool scenario
Alright it might be possible to make a super defensible city, if you give up most of the working tiles of the city. And mod the game to make truly impassable terrain. And have a suspiciously unassailable empire for backup. At least reinforcements could easily be delivered via gate.
Valkrionn
The Hamster King
Yes, as a scenario it would be possible. 
Actually, the Sidar could have something close, with their Mist, but it can be cleared by Air 1 adepts, if just temporarily.
Actually, the Sidar could have something close, with their Mist, but it can be cleared by Air 1 adepts, if just temporarily.
