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Yeah! Now this makes sense! $7/hour

Azadre

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WASHINGTON — Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry on Friday proposed raising the federal minimum wage to $7 an hour by 2007.

The Massachusetts senator said the increase from the current $5.15 could boost the wages of more than 15 million American and help 7 million escape poverty.

He touted his plan during a stop at a community college in Alexandria, Va., and during a day of events in Washington.

Democrats have typically advocated hiking the minimum. Republicans tend to oppose increases, saying they hurt the least skilled workers by forcing employers to cut jobs when labor costs rise.

Kerry and President Bush agree that an increase in the federal minimum is warranted, but disagree over critical details, such as the size, timing and way it would be phased in. Bush, for example, wants to allow states to opt out of a federal minimum wage law.

"If we can have trillions of dollars of tax cuts for the wealthiest people, we can fight for a raise in the minimum wage," Kerry said in Alexandria.

The period since the last increase eight years ago is the second longest stretch without a hike since the minimum-wage law was established in 1938, said Jared Bernstein of the Economic Policy Institute, an economist allied with the Kerry campaign.

About 60 percent of minimum-wage earners are women, and about a third of that group are black or Hispanic, said economist Eileen Applebaum of Rutgers University.

Kerry's proposed increase, she said, would translate into about $3,800 in additional earnings for a full-time minimum-wage worker. That employee would earn $10,300 for a 50-week work year, she said.

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With a minimum-wage job today at $5.15, a person who works a 40 hour week would earn a maximum of $11000 per year, well below the poverty line. This makes a lot more sense then cutting taxes, because getting an extra $300 back from taxes is not the same as earning an extra $4000 a year.
 
From the AFL-CIO

A Real Minimum Wage Raise or...?

A job should be a bridge out of poverty, an opportunity to a make a living from work. But for minimum wage workers, especially those with families, it is not. The inflation-adjusted value of the minimum wage is 24 percent lower today than it was in 1979 and in real dollars, $5.15 an hour minimum wage is worth just $4.75. If the wage had just kept pace with inflation since 1968 when it was a $1.60 an hour, minimum wage would be $8.46 an hour in 2003.

The Bush administration and Republican congressional leaders have successfully blocked attempts to pass legislation to raise the minimum wage. But working family-friendly lawmakers are backing new bills—H.R. 965 and S. 224—that would boost the current $5.15 minimum by $1.50 an hour in two steps over the next 18 months to $6.65. Nearly 7 million workers would benefit from the raise. Republicans continue to oppose raising the pay of low-income workers and President George W. Bush supports letting states “opt out” of the minimum wage law. Use this website to learn more about the minimum wage.
 
Better yet lets get rid of the minimum wage and pay people what there worth eh? This will encourage people to become more worth while or work hard on a low paying job.
 
Gosh, $7 is awfully high. That would send illegal immigration skyrocketing. No need to fear though; 'tis just a campaign promise.
 
CenturionV said:
Better yet lets get rid of the minimum wage and pay people what there worth eh? This will encourage people to become more worth while or work hard on a low paying job.
You wouldn't get anything then, if people could have slave labor they'd probably still do it. They are more concerned with the bottom line.
 
I'm all for raising the minimum wage at a steady rate, but not at $7 dollars an hour immediately. I'm no economist, but that may discourage the production of jobs in the US a little, and make them more of a target of outsources. I think about $6 right now would be a good jump.
 
Bah, screw Minimum wage, you guys down there need some good old Communism. That way, everyone suffers!

Well, it would prevent some people from starving, or having to work like 2 jobs just to make enough, right?
 
Archer 007 said:
Yeah, its get rid of it, so people wont have enough money to live! :goodjob:
IF you get rid of it you create jobs, instead of joe ****** who lost half his brain in a car reck without insurance, and is now a bum on the street, he gets a 3$ hour job sweeping floors, and gets himself a small aprtment. OR young skilless jimmy, instead of being turned away from dozens of open jobs because he just aint worth the cost of his minimum wage he can, get a job for 4.50 an hour and start saving up for college, or just get some spending money. A minimum wage makes the poor man get payed twice as much, and be 5x less likely to get a job.

The poor will always be there, but its better for them to make little money, than no money at all right?
 
CenturionV said:
IF you get rid of it you create jobs, instead of joe ****** who lost half his brain in a car reck without insurance, and is now a bum on the street, he gets a 3$ hour job sweeping floors, and gets himself a small aprtment. OR young skilless jimmy, instead of being turned away from dozens of open jobs because he just aint worth the cost of his minimum wage he can, get a job for 4.50 an hour and start saving up for college, or just get some spending money. A minimum wage makes the poor man get payed twice as much, and be 5x less likely to get a job.

The unemployment rate is so low taht your point is stupid. The job pool would get smaller, as the number of people wanting to buy goods would get smaller.
 
RealGoober said:
Bah, screw Minimum wage, you guys down there need some good old Communism. That way, everyone suffers!

Well, it would prevent some people from starving, or having to work like 2 jobs just to make enough, right?

Perfect! If we were to just convert to a communist government, we could pay everyone what they're worth! Everyone would have a job! So what if we have 2 or 3 people doing the job of one! It worked for the Soviets, right? :rolleyes:
 
NumberTwo said:
Perfect! If we were to just convert to a communist government, we could pay everyone what they're worth! Everyone would have a job! So what if we have 2 or 3 people doing the job of one! It worked for the Soviets, right?

According to the Soviet Government, and Media Sources, everything was going just dandy! The crappy economy and stuff was all the fault of the US Government, and the CIA spies. I see nothing wrong with 2 or 3 poeople doing the job of 1! Let's do away with machines, and make everything by hand, and pay them 20 U$D per hour! Eveerything will be just great!

Oh man, I have been studying Math for too long.
 
Archer 007 said:
The unemployment rate is so low taht your point is stupid. The job pool would get smaller, as the number of people wanting to buy goods would get smaller.
That does not make sence, if the people are not worth 7$ an hour, they are not gonna get 7$ an hour, if the unemployment rate is low, then it must be because a lot of people actually ARE worth 6$ or 7$ an hour, not because the government makes the employers pay it, if I want a worker, I'll simply find some one qualified and worth how ever much I pay him, and simply force my regular workers to take over jobs that are worth less, with no minimum wage I could hire some one who actually is unemployed to do those low wage jobs, they get a job, I keep my skilled people doing what they should. What in this would cause the number of people wanting to buy goods to go down?

What could actually be wrong with this?
 
Please, Mister Kerry, I'm trying to get rid of Bush but if you're making it difficult. really cool liberals really cool conservatives. I hope they both rot!
 
Archer 007 said:
Or maybe its the drug.

Yes, Model Parliament, combined with CFC, can be very addicting. Math is just boring. Together, they make a bad combination.

I wonder, does the Cost of Living fluctuate with Minimum wage increases/decreases? I am sure it must, but . . . And wouldn't it make sense to tie the Minimum Wage to the Cost of Living? Or do things never make sense?
 
CenturionV said:
That does not make sence, if the people are not worth 7$ an hour, they are not gonna get 7$ an hour, if the unemployment rate is low, then it must be because a lot of people actually ARE worth 6$ or 7$ an hour, not because the government makes the employers pay it, if I want a worker, I'll simply find some one qualified and worth how ever much I pay him, and simply force my regular workers to take over jobs that are worth less, with no minimum wage I could hire some one who actually is unemployed to do those low wage jobs, they get a job, I keep my skilled people doing what they should. What in this would cause the number of people wanting to buy goods to go down?

What could actually be wrong with this?

Your just cutting the amount your paying people now. Demand will be less, since less money is in the marketplace.
 
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