Lockesdonkey
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Drawing inspiration from the one about Roman Emperors...
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The Last Conformist
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Best in which sense? Best for the SU? Best for my interests? Best hair?
Lockesdonkey
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Any sense. All-around. I personally like Gorbachev and Khrushchev, they did good things for their country (or tried to) and were always hampered by something. It was a cointoss. It landed on tails. Gorbachev won.
As you know, Yeltsin was as much a robber baron as any of the businessmen in Russia. Gorbachev, on the other hand, was and is a genuine Russian patriot. And if his plan had succeeded and the USSR had survived, we wouldn't have these annoying states in Central Asia constantly spawning terrorists and making Muslims look bad, plus the Islamists would be quietly attacking the SU and Communists in Muslim nations, instead of attacking the West in the open and giving Islam a bad reputation.
Khrushchev, on the other hand, was hampered by his peasant background and party conservatives who had the power to kick him out forcing him to do things he wouldn't have done otherwise.
As you know, Yeltsin was as much a robber baron as any of the businessmen in Russia. Gorbachev, on the other hand, was and is a genuine Russian patriot. And if his plan had succeeded and the USSR had survived, we wouldn't have these annoying states in Central Asia constantly spawning terrorists and making Muslims look bad, plus the Islamists would be quietly attacking the SU and Communists in Muslim nations, instead of attacking the West in the open and giving Islam a bad reputation.
Khrushchev, on the other hand, was hampered by his peasant background and party conservatives who had the power to kick him out forcing him to do things he wouldn't have done otherwise.
ComradeDavo
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Gorbachev from the viewpoint that his policies and everything led to the break up of the Soviet Union!
Terje
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Lenin was a great revolutionary leader, but I have doubts about his abilities as a statesman.
Stalin started to bring nationalism into the Communist ideology, and thus ruined everything Socialism/Communism stands for (solidarity unhindered by nationality), and in addition to that, I doubt all the millions that died in the Gulags would say that he was good for the USSR. He did, however, beat the Nazis, and managed to unite the USSR in the Great Fatherland War, feats that's not to be ignored.
The rest, I don't feel that I have any competance to say anything about yet, so I won't vote...
Stalin started to bring nationalism into the Communist ideology, and thus ruined everything Socialism/Communism stands for (solidarity unhindered by nationality), and in addition to that, I doubt all the millions that died in the Gulags would say that he was good for the USSR. He did, however, beat the Nazis, and managed to unite the USSR in the Great Fatherland War, feats that's not to be ignored.
The rest, I don't feel that I have any competance to say anything about yet, so I won't vote...
The Last Conformist
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I'll vote Malenkov, then. I'm sure he was best in some sense.Lockesdonkey said:
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Mikhail Sergeyevitch Gorbachev.
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Gorbachev, for wanting to reform the Soviet Union in order to save it.
Unlike him, I can't see anything worth saving in it, but I respect him for being the first Soviet leader to realise that the state was there for the sake of the people, not the other way around.
Unlike him, I can't see anything worth saving in it, but I respect him for being the first Soviet leader to realise that the state was there for the sake of the people, not the other way around.
ComradeDavo
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NO WAY was Lenin a great revolutionarty leader, he was in fact ruining the whole russian revolutiony movement (pre GreatWar) by arguing with everyone about everything, he didn't even see world war 1 coming, in fact in the lead up to it the Ohkrana saw Lenin as their best chance of disintergrating the Social Democratic party, he was creating a schism. He spent his whole time writing and ranting against the other Marxists, he was incrediablly naive, if it wasn't for the Tsar's own disentergration during world war 1 Lenin would never have been in posistion to seize power.Terje said:
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Lenin was a murderous guy, Stalin was a genocidal maniac, Khrushchev had a lot of blood on his hands, and wasn't exactly an adept statesman, Brezhnev was a stagnator, and corruption flourished, Andropov died rtoo soon, as did Chernenko, which has been left off the list.
Let's go one by one:
Lenin - An intelligent man, I admitt, but a brutal dictator who did not tolerate even small deviations from his interpretation of marxism. "War Communism" was a major crime against russian people. He gets some points for NEP, but overall he sucked big time.
Stalin - Greatest mass-murderer ever. Need I say more?
Malenkov - Stalin's lapdog, and lasted very little in power due to his rather limited intellect.
Khrushchev - Had the balls to denounce Stalin, but onle after the Man of Steel was convienently dead. During Stalin's reign he gave his OK to all attrocities commited by the Secretary-General. He also repressed with brutality democratic movements in Eastern Europe, and was the worst diplomat of his time.
Andropov - There's nothing to be said.
Brezhnev - A corrupt and incompetent leader, not to mention a stalinist who even tried to create a cult of his personality. A terrible, terrible leader.
Gorbachev - Gets points for reforming the soviet monster, but he doesn't strike me as a particularly capable leader. Ultimately, he failed in his goal. He is the best among the scum that were the soviet leaders.
The only really accurate answer is "Commies suck".
Lenin - An intelligent man, I admitt, but a brutal dictator who did not tolerate even small deviations from his interpretation of marxism. "War Communism" was a major crime against russian people. He gets some points for NEP, but overall he sucked big time.
Stalin - Greatest mass-murderer ever. Need I say more?
Malenkov - Stalin's lapdog, and lasted very little in power due to his rather limited intellect.
Khrushchev - Had the balls to denounce Stalin, but onle after the Man of Steel was convienently dead. During Stalin's reign he gave his OK to all attrocities commited by the Secretary-General. He also repressed with brutality democratic movements in Eastern Europe, and was the worst diplomat of his time.
Andropov - There's nothing to be said.
Brezhnev - A corrupt and incompetent leader, not to mention a stalinist who even tried to create a cult of his personality. A terrible, terrible leader.
Gorbachev - Gets points for reforming the soviet monster, but he doesn't strike me as a particularly capable leader. Ultimately, he failed in his goal. He is the best among the scum that were the soviet leaders.
The only really accurate answer is "Commies suck".
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Wow-me and Luiz have almost identical answers
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silver 2039
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Stalin certainely. He made Russia a superpower and defeated Hitler.
ComradeDavo
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HE WAS TERRIABLE!silver 2039 said:
His brutality was crazy, he had so many people killed, his policies almost led to Russia's destruction during World War 2, the USSR won more out of Hitlers imcompetance that Stalin's leadership.....his leadership was terriable.
Had a leader been in charge who wasn't so damn paranoid that he had all of his best officers shot and had not had so many people killed then the USSR would have done so much better as a superpower.
I think his five year plans did as much (if not more...) damage as they did good. Alot of the 'good' statistics were just made up. Plus anyone who kills that many people can not be a good leader, even from a Societ viewpoint those people were a valueable resource in terms of the fact that many who were killed had valueable skills, be it military or management etc.
silver 2039
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Yet in the end he did turn the nation into a superpower no? All for the greater good of the nation....
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Gorbachev appears to be the only one on the poll that isn't an evil bastard, so yeah.
ComradeDavo
Formerly God
No, he did not turn the USSR into a superpower, world war 2 turned them into a super power because all the other super powers (apart from the US) got trashed.silver 2039 said:
His policies hampered the USSR's development!
By shooting prativally all the officers in the army prior to world war 2 he almost lost the war!
He was a very bad leader, the USSR would have been much better off without him.
Lenin by all means. It was him who masterminded the Revolution, he who brought about massive changes to the country, gave peasants their land, introduced equal rights for women, was able to push forward peace with Germany and even made Russia stable before he died with the N.E.P. Though true the War Communism was brutal it was needed in order to win the civil war. He is indeed the greatest of Soviet leaders.
Though Stalin deserves some points on being the greatest social manipulator of the last century. Despite all his atrocities and crimes, a whole nation mourned upon his death. If only he had used his genius for good instead...
Though Stalin deserves some points on being the greatest social manipulator of the last century. Despite all his atrocities and crimes, a whole nation mourned upon his death. If only he had used his genius for good instead...
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