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Which leader of the USSR was the best?

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All that was done by the Soviet leaders destroyed Russia. It is too much from their party was mistakes. As Lenin and Stalin I consider such people not as smaller criminals than Hitler.
 
Sorry for my pour english, but...
Guys, you know nothing about Soviet history. LoL. You brains is filled with nonsence of propaganda. You can't understand history and politics, but you think, you can speak about it. You don't know any facts, but you speak about it. I can only advise you: don't be ridiculous. Play you games, better.
Hands away from the Soviet!

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Deathruler You deny civil war in Russia begun by Lenin? A historic fact that what exactly Lenin's actions became the reason of this tragedy in the Russian history
 
luiz said:
Of course. After all, the great leaders said that what they were doing was good and necessary for Russia. So whoever opposed that was clearly a western spy, a dirty trotskyst-fascist-capitalist bastard that needed to be stopped.
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2 luiz: it said not by leaders, but by usual Russians. I can just repeat: 53% of Russians think Stalin was good.
2 Deathruler: I like your slogan.
Hands away from Soviets!
 
Deathruler said:
Sorry for my pour english, but...
Guys, you know nothing about Soviet history. LoL. You brains is filled with nonsence of propaganda. You can't understand history and politics, but you think, you can speak about it. You don't know any facts, but you speak about it. I can only advise you: don't be ridiculous. Play you games, better.
Hands away from the Soviet!
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Excuse me?
We're filled with propaganda?
You know, my country never had anything similar to the soviet propaganda apparatus. In fact, no nation in history ever came close to the levels of Stalinist Russia in terms of propaganda.

Read russian historians, if your nationalism is skeptical of foreign sources. Read Volkogonov. He was the chief historian of the Soviet Army, and also a General. Will you argue that he does not know the facts?
 
Commy said:
2 luiz: it said not by leaders, but by usual Russians. I can just repeat: 53% of Russians think Stalin was good.
2 Deathruler: I like your slogan.
Hands away from Soviets!
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I don't believe that statistic. And if it's true then it would mean that 53% of the russians are clueless.
 
luiz said:
In fact, no nation in history ever came close to the levels of Stalinist Russia in terms of propaganda.
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There is North Korea and Mao's China....
 
luiz said:
I don't believe that statistic. And if it's true then it would mean that 53% of the russians are clueless.
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Oh, really? I'm studying at university now, and professor which teach us logic is stalinist. Is he clueless too?
About wrong statistic: it is not Russian statistic. See "Wall Street Journal" from june, 4, 2005. Artical under the title "Radical Political Group Defies Kremlin".
 
Commy said:
Oh, really? I'm studying at university now, and professor which teach us logic is stalinist. Is he clueless too?
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Yes, completely clueless. In fact one might use a much harsher word then clueless to describe a stalinist.

Commy said:
About wrong statistic: it is not Russian statistic. See "Wall Street Journal" from june, 4, 2005. Artical under the title "Radical Political Group Defies Kremlin".
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Supposing those staistica are correct, it would only mean that 53% of the russians are, as I said, clueless.
Now that I think about it is very reasonable, after all the russians had to swallow massive propaganda for 7 decades, and the peak was precisely during Stalin's reign. It is no wonder that such propaganda had a lasting effect. Also there is the melancholia associated with a time when Russia was a super-power(in theory, at least).
 
As our Russian friend might note, we are much more likely discussing the downfalls of our own leaders than those of others. (With the possible exception of President Bush)

To say we are overly critical of Stalin or Communist Russia is completely false. To further claim anyone educated in soviet Russia has a better grasp on reality than one otherwise educated, also vary far from true..
 
Thug said:
Gorbachev has made awful thungs for tha USSR, millions of people died 'cuz of warz inside tha country whaich was cuzed by his stupid politics... And that's why tha FIRST country of tha world iz not on tha map now, his was bought by the USA money.
Such people must rot in jail but they create politics ...
Khrushev has made very-very much for the country..
And Brejnev had started destroying that country by doing nothing, and the worst iz when nothing iz done.
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I hope you are joking. I really do.

His stupid politics???? He is the one who understood that freedom of speech and open criticisms are what makes society improve. He understood that the government should serve the people and not the other way around.

He withdrew troop from East European because he knew that oppression can never force people to believe in Communism. As we have seen, all those communist nations revolted because people of all those nations do no believe in communism. His decision was correct because he stood up for the truth. He doesn't want to retain a phony or a fake empire that was built by the military and not by the people.

USSR ceased to be the number one or the number two country long times before Gorbachev's rule. USSR was never ever a one single uniformed nation. Not all people believe in it and what it stood for. Some were forced to join and to admit they were a part of the USSR. For example, in the 1991, "Ukraine declared its independence from the USSR after a popular referendum in which 90% of voters opted for independence" (wikipedia), and many other soviet declared they were not a part of Soviet Union afterward. All those Soviets were forced to join the USSR because the communists forced all of them to join.

Also, do you know that criticizing the great leader of the Communist party such as Gorbachev will get you in trouble under Soviet rule? The secret police would be watching you. If Gorbachev did not initiate the glasnost, people of Russia would not be able to enjoy the pleasure of free speech. :lol:
 
RussianDude said:
It seems you all very like to discuss our history, mistakes of your leaders and black pages of USSR. May be it'll be more interesting to recall your own history, your "friendship" with Indians. It was very cute from your side to kill them all and to destroy their culture. So I suggest you to finish that topic and to discuss something else.
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Most of the public schools in US teach school children (high school level) the atrocity Americans have done to the American Indians. It is acknowleged by the public that American Indians were mistreated by the US government.

In 2005, US Senators have introduced a RESOLUTION OF APOLOGY TO THE NATIVE PEOPLES this year. US will officially apologize to the American Indians.

If the US can admit they are wrong, why can all Stalin supporters and the Russian government and the Soviet leaders admit that the USSR under Stalin did something wrong?
 
In 2005, US Senators have introduced a RESOLUTION OF APOLOGY TO THE NATIVE PEOPLES this year. US will officially apologize to the American Indians.

If the US can admit they are wrong, why can all Stalin supporters and the Russian government and the Soviet leaders admit that the USSR under Stalin did something wrong?
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Oh,oh,oh! Ha,ha,ha! They apologizing! Oh, i'm diing from laughing. You think that Indians will excuse you.
US Government: "We have been killed thousands of your people. We are very sorry. Will you excuse us"
Indians "Yes, Sure. We don't care. Kill more. We won't be angry"
USG "Oh.Thanks."

Thre are more than 200 different natives. We didn't kill any of them they live and prosper and keep their own culture and language as is.
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As you call them "Stalin supporters". They appologized a lot of years ago even when the USSR was.

P.S. If someone is intersted in - i'm Morag


P.P.S. You Americans have strange side of mind. You think that if you say "Sorry". Everyone should excuse you and forget all of the evil than you have dove. You are wrong!!!
 
53% of Russians think Stalin was good.
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I live in Russia I can tell that the majority of people hates communists

RussianDude
You consider that it is impossible to forgive Americans, but possible to forgive communists?

Deathruler
Yes or you have forgotten Lenin's phrase which is written in all textbooks of history: " we shall begin civil war but authority will belong to bolsheviks! ".
 
In general you would cease to humiliate us Russians, we the GREAT COUNTRY! With the history and with the culture, and to us deeply to spit on your insignificant opinion. The main thing Russia respect, and on you to it her to spit. You never were in Russia, whether so to you to argue?
 
Gjrbachev was the worst ladder 'cuz he didn't give people rights. he started anarchy in the country , and I can't say which was the best, no one of answers iz right, but i choosed Khrushev 'cuz he started mass buliding in half destroyed country and stopped repressions
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