If that is the case what other consciousness is the other bigger part of your brain performing many intelligent and sophisticated actions part of? Or is it just me then whenever I see inteligent action full of pupose I wrongly expect (sub)conscious existence?
[RD] Your Body is Only a Shell: Naive or Truthful?
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If that is the case what other consciousness is the other bigger part of your brain performing many intelligent and sophisticated actions part of? Or is it just me then whenever I see inteligent action full of pupose I wrongly expect (sub)conscious existence?
warpus
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I don't understand what you mean. Doesn't it make sense that our subconscious uses up a much larger part of the brain than the conscious does? I thought that was a thing that was known
Hygro
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nooooI am but a shell of a man.
civver_764
Deity
I think he's talking about what happens to the experiencer when the body dies. That is something that we can't possibly know the answer to without killing ourselves.
warpus
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Yep, this has been studied as well. And as far as we can tell nothing out of the ordinary happens when you die.
Personally speaking I am open to the idea that something extraordinary does happen, but for now at least we have 0 data or any sort of reason for us to consider that such a thing might be occurring. So until someone comes back with some data that suggests such a thing, we have to assume that when you die, nothing incredible happens
Makes sense, right? We do the same thing with sleep. As far as we can tell nothing incredible happens when you sleep, you just lie there and you dream and your mind recharges and gets itself ready for another day. But hey, maybe one day we'll get some data that implies that everyone who dreams actually teleports to another universe for the duration of the sleep. Until then though, we'll have to assume what we already know about sleep, as there is no reason to think that anything extraordinary occurs when you're sleeping
civver_764
Deity
I'm really confused about how you can study what happens to somebody's experience when they die. It's not like you can ask dead people what it's like.
I don't think that's right. We also have 0 data or any sort of reason to assume that "nothing happens". The idea of "nothing happens" is actually quite extreme. We aren't even capable of imagining such a thing. As far as anybody is aware, there is always something happening.
Well, I would considering dreaming pretty extraordinary...
warpus
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That's not correct. The current model is not "nothing happens". Things happen. Your brain ceases to have brain activity at some point, then you start decomposing, etc.
My point is that we have 0 evidence or data to suggest that anything happens beyond that.
Once there's anything to suggest that more might be happening, then sure, let's investigate that. But as things stand right now, there's nothing there that might suggest that we have a wildly inaccurate understanding of death. So until then it makes sense to go with the status quo - our current understanding of death.
Narz
keeping it real
It's 100%, you ever seen consciousness with no brain? Me neither.
Narz
keeping it real
Right, when the brain is broken, no conscious. Just like when the legs are broken, no walking.
Your body will affect your brain but your brain is you. You can get a new kidney, a blood transfusion, fake legs because none of those things are you. It's common sense and what I tell my daughter - go ahead and play rough but be damn careful of your head, your head is you (though ideally don't break your leg/back either).
bernie14
Filter Manipulator
if brain transplants were possible, would you look into a mirror and see "someone else"?
Narz
keeping it real
You would go where your brain went (since you = your brain) and presumably adapt to the new body.
Blue Monkey
Archon Without Portfolio
Speak for yourself. Definitely have seen it. Across multiple species.
And your more recent posts aren't really substantive arguments. Assertions without even the suggestion of supporting evidence just aren't convincing.
Narz
keeping it real
Which species without brains have you observed consciousness in? Can you describe your experience?
I'm sorry your brain feels that way.
Hygro
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which brains without a creature attached do we witness consciousness?
Borachio
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I'm pretty sure this wouldn't be the case. After all, where does the brain begin and the body end?
And are you saying that if a part of your brain is removed (like a tumour) a part of you has gone?
Consciousness is a really tricky subject, imo. I think we know hardly anything at all about it.
warpus
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Trump doesn't count as an example of consciousness without a brain
Broken_Erika
Play with me.
I have an uncle with half a brain. They removed half of his brain back in the 60's because of severe epilepsy.
Lexicus
Deity
Has consciousness been defined to the satisfaction of all parties?
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