Your Drones are belong to us!

[Glassfan]

So the Iranians have "captured" an advanced US spy drone.

President Obama has basically admitted it was ours by offically asking for it back.

The Iranians say they can "control" the drone - which suggests the drone's encription codes were insufficiently robust. Furthermore, the failure of the self-destruct mechanism and the apparent minimal damage suggests that the Iranians didn't just interfere with the controls by means of ECM to bring it down but may indeed have exercised some actual control.

One is also reminded of the stories a month or two ago about someone hacking into the drone control systems here in the states.

Certainly a black eye for the USAF.

Comments?

 

[Defiant47]

Until Iran allows inspectors to thoroughly evaluate their nuclear development facilities, we not only have the right, but are obligated to use any means of surveillance available to observe their progress, and their strategic military capabilities in case we need to invade.

I am certain that the USAF has already considered the contingency of the Iranians capturing a downed drone, and take such a risk into account every time we send one out.

It's also worth noting that the Iranians are a backwards people. Their technological capabilities dwarf our military advances, so I doubt the veracity of their "claims". They're probably trying to do some posturing to try to stick it to us or defame our capacities. Little will it matter when we finally size them up to carve them out if it becomes necessary.

 

[GoodSarmatian]

That's the main reason why I don't think unmanned vehicles are such a good idea, especially in the military. Pilot's can't be hacked.
Just imagine having your bombers turn a round and attack your base.

 

[Defiant47]

That's the main reason why I don't think unmanned vehicles are such a good idea, especially in the military. Pilot's can't be hacked.
Just imagine having your bombers turn a round and attack your base.

These are surveillance drones, nothing more, and I'd rather have an unmanned drone get captured than an actual pilot. Although having a pilot get captured would provide a somewhat convenient casus belli to curb the time-consuming and pointless diplomatic posturing before the eventual conclusion of an invasion is finally reached. (still though, a life's a life)

 

[Ramius75]

Until Iran allows inspectors to thoroughly evaluate their nuclear development facilities, we not only have the right, but are obligated to use any means of surveillance available to observe their progress, and their strategic military capabilities in case we need to invade.

I am certain that the USAF has already considered the contingency of the Iranians capturing a downed drone, and take such a risk into account every time we send one out.

It's also worth noting that the Iranians are a backwards people. Their technological capabilities dwarf our military advances, so I doubt the veracity of their "claims". They're probably trying to do some posturing to try to stick it to us or defame our capacities. Little will it matter when we finally size them up to carve them out if it becomes necessary.

does that means, China, Russia and all other countries can send their spy planes to USA ? since USA has so many secrets too.

 

[Defiant47]

does that means, China, Russia and all other countries can send their spy planes to USA ? since USA has so many secrets too.

USA is part of the few countries that are sanctioned to own and bear nuclear armaments as decreed by United Nations mandate.

The fact that Iran may be building nuclear weapons is such a threat to world peace and stability, that a policy of interventionism in this regard is not only warranted, but required.

 

[Ayn Rand]

So, when are we taking our property back?

 

[Ramius75]

USA is part of the few countries that are sanctioned to own and bear nuclear armaments as decreed by United Nations mandate.

The fact that Iran may be building nuclear weapons is such a threat to world peace and stability, that a policy of interventionism in this regard is not only warranted, but required.

you mean the mandate which is written with participant from USA? also, the same mandate which allow Pakistan, India and probably Israel to join the Nuclear club ?

Frankly, i dont know which country is a bigger risk to world peace.

Wonder how many war were started by Iran, USA or Israel... Hmmm.

 

[Defiant47]

Wonder how many war were started by Iran, USA or Israel... Hmmm.

USA's recent wars have been for the betterment of humanity, and none of them have threatened thermonuclear war on a global scale.

The war in Iraq* deposed a brutal dictator, doubtlessly saving more lives than were lost in collateral damage, and our role in Afghanistan not only ensures the well-being of the local populace, but also culls any potential terrorist uprisings.

* - what was supposed to be for the right reasons, which turned out the wrong reasons, the overall end result was still for the better for Iraqis

 

[Ramius75]

USA's recent wars have been for the betterment of humanity, and none of them have threatened thermonuclear war on a global scale.

including war in Iraq ????

 

[Aleksey_aka_al]

So the Iranians have "captured" an advanced US spy drone.

President Obama has basically admitted it was ours by offically asking for it back?

I used those binoculars to watch you when you are naked. Could you give em back to me, please? And don't close those curtains!

 

[Defiant47]

including war in Iraq ????

The war in Iraq* deposed a brutal dictator, doubtlessly saving more lives than were lost in collateral damage, and our role in Afghanistan not only ensures the well-being of the local populace, but also culls any potential terrorist uprisings.

* - what was supposed to be for the right reasons, which turned out the wrong reasons, the overall end result was still for the better for Iraqis

Edited in at the last moment.

War in Iraq, justified when dealing with the risk of WMDs. When it became clear that the WMDs were lacking, then our justification was null and void. We were there for the wrong reasons. But we still achieved good in overthrowing a tyrannical dictator that was killing his own people on a regular basis.

It's hard to tell for sure, but one could easily make the case that more Iraqi lives have been saved than lost.

 

[AL_DA_GREAT]

Flying military aircraft into another countries airspace is an act of war. Obama should remember that.

If the suspicious nukes are a reason for spying we need to start spying on Israel.

 

[Defiant47]

If the suspicious nukes are a reason for spying we need to start spying on Israel.

Israel is not a threat to the peace and stability of the immediate region. Well, insofar as it is not threatened itself.

 

[Aleksey_aka_al]

Israel is not a threat to the peace and stability of the immediate region. Well, insofar as it is not threatened itself.

The major threat to the peace and stability of the Middle East is USA and NATO.

 

[Defiant47]

The major threat to the peace and stability of the Middle East is USA and NATO.

No, it is overly zealous Muslim leaders who would gladly throw their region of the world into a chaotic hellhole for the chance at taking down the "evil" Israelis.

Seriously, these guys spout stuff like that fairly frequently.

 

[Ramius75]

Edited in at the last moment.

War in Iraq, justified when dealing with the risk of WMDs. When it became clear that the WMDs were lacking, then our justification was null and void. We were there for the wrong reasons. But we still achieved good in overthrowing a tyrannical dictator that was killing his own people on a regular basis.

It's hard to tell for sure, but one could easily make the case that more Iraqi lives have been saved than lost.

so far, it sucks to be Iraqis...especially if you are a woman.

http://www.rinoceros.org/IMG/pdf/irakiwomen.pdf

 

[Defiant47]

so far, it sucks to be Iraqis...especially if you are a woman.

http://www.rinoceros.org/IMG/pdf/irakiwomen.pdf

Progress does not happen overnight, and it behooves us to appreciate the emplacement of machinations that are more likely to bolster liberties and prosperity in the future, instead of insisting on immediate results pending a completed overhaul.

 

[Ramius75]

Israel is not a threat to the peace and stability of the immediate region. Well, insofar as it is not threatened itself.

Israel is greedy for the land. its never about the religion. using the fanatics muslim as an excuse to build more settlement and steal more land than what the "united nation's mandate" allows it to have.

Also, they killed more Lebanese, Egyptian and Palestinian than the Israelis killed.

 

[Ramius75]

Progress does not happen overnight, and it behooves us to appreciate the emplacement of machinations that are more likely to bolster liberties and prosperity in the future, instead of insisting on immediate results pending a completed overhaul.

The same process can be put in place with greater ease if Saddam Hussein is not disposed of and Economical sanctions removed.

You surely dont believe its never about the oil isnt it ? Why is North Korea still standing ?