?Your solution for the U.S. education system?

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You don't have to be american just toss out an idea of what you think would be money well spent.






My Idea : Federal standardized class by class day by day* curriculum and testing; Instead of the special school districts we currently have.

* with a day a week or so of projects chosen by the teacher (too keep the teachers entertained to a degree; was my teachers favorite part of class ussually and it is fun for the students to do something out of the ordinary)




The spelling and grammer of the post in no way reflect the negligence of the clark county school district
 
I actually really like what the green party USA supports to fix education:
Edit: And don't worry, it's not all that long.

Spoiler :
Green Party USA said:
Equalize School Funding with Federal Revenue Sharing: Federal financing of all public education (instead of by regressive local property taxes) so that every school has the resources it needs to provide the highest quality education for every child. Use a simple formula based on student population with adjustments based on need to help bring up school quality and student performance in poor communities.

Decentralized Administration: Cut through stifling centralized administration with site-based planning, policy-making, and management with participation by parents and teachers with release-time. Maintain central support staff for decentrally administered schools.

Class Size Reduction: Federal legislation and financing to reduce student-teacher ratios in classrooms to 15 to 1 in all public schools.

Preschool Programs: Federal legislation and financing for public schools to make available Head Start-type programs for pre-Kindergarten children starting at age 3.

After School Programs: Federal legislation and financing to make available after-school recreational and educational programs for all school age children.

Children's Health: Clinics in all schools to check eyes, teeth, and general health at all grade levels. Healthy food at breakfast, lunch, and after school programs. Birth control information at middle and high schools.

Improve Teacher Training and Pay: Improve the quality of teachers with support for career-long training. On-the-jobs apprenticeships for teachers-in-training. Teacher pay scales comparable to other professionals with similar education and responsibilities.

Multicultural Teaching Staffs: Strengthen affirmative action programs to recruit and support ethnic minorities to enter teaching at every level: teacher, aide, assistant, apprentice.

Tuition-Free Higher Education: Federal legislation and financing for tuition free education at public universities and technical schools for everyone who wants it.

Oppose the Privatization of Public Schools: We oppose all schemes for corporations to pursue private profits at the expense of public schools and schoolchildren.

No School Vouchers: No school vouchers from public budgets for private schools.

No For-Profit or Religious Charter Schools: Stop the diversion of public funds to for-profit corporations or religious organizations running charter schools with unaccountable administrations, uncertified teachers, and segregated student bodies.

No Commercialization: Stop turning school children into a captive market for commercial marketing interests with franchises that undermine democratic funding and accountability.

No High-Stakes Testing: Stop the curriculum takeover by commercial standardized test and test-prep corporations. Stop linking administrator and teacher pay and student graduation and retention to standardized test performance. Stop reducing education to answering multiple choice questions. Put teachers back in charge of ongoing, genuine assessment in the classroom.

Curriculum for a Multicultural Participatory Democracy: We support a democratic public school curriculum that fosters curiosity, critical thinking, and free expression, that explicitly promotes democratic and egalitarian anti-racist, anti-sexist, and multicultural values, that replaces Eurocentric with multicultural textbooks and other curriculum materials, that does not sort children into academic and non-academic tracks, and that is academically rigorous with high expectations for all children.

Support Bilingual Education: Minority-language children with limited English proficiency must have instructional programs that build on their native language and culture while building English proficiency.
 
My idea is rather simple. Dramatically increase teacher pay so that there is more incentive for experienced people to become teachers. Now teaching is often for people who can't get a job elsewhere. That is why there are many teachers that are English majors but few who are involved in math and sciences. Secondly, allow teachers to be payed based on merit and the demand for teachers in their field. As it is now, a good chemistry teacher is payed the same as a substandard English teacher.
 
I don't know about where you're from, but round these parts teachers need extra schooling and certification. It's not a job they get into because they can't find anything else.

Low pay is part of the disillusionment, however. I agree that they should be paid more.

I also think that classes are too long, and most students lose attention in the class long before it's over. There's no reason for meeting four-plus hours a week, when fifteen to twenty minutes a day is long enough.

Less class-based study, more group/home study, I think as well is important.
 
Less centralized control over schools and more local input on curriculum. No federal input whatsoever, let the states decide on their own.
 
kids need to be educated that freedom and choice is bad.
 
You could reduce the school day considerably and still get good quality education in the k-12 stuff.

In order to get fundamental change in education you need to learn the fact that most people don't need 18 years of childhood to mature. The reason why it has to happen now is that there's too much schooling and not enough education in these childhood years. You could have a kid ready to go at about 13 if there was less school in general, but the time was well-used.

Nobody's going to learn to make it in the real world if the real world is so seperate from world in childhood.
 
As a non-US citizen I don't know a great deal about it, what would you US people say was the most wrong with your education system?
 
Turner said:
I don't know about where you're from, but round these parts teachers need extra schooling and certification. It's not a job they get into because they can't find anything else.

Low pay is part of the disillusionment, however. I agree that they should be paid more.

I also think that classes are too long, and most students lose attention in the class long before it's over. There's no reason for meeting four-plus hours a week, when fifteen to twenty minutes a day is long enough.

Less class-based study, more group/home study, I think as well is important.
Same here substitutes can't become teachers because they only have 4 year degrees; The conservitives got there bullocks in a twist because we sent recuiters out and got alot of teachers from spain,canada and the philpines. We got teachers from those parts because they have 8 year degrees, I was really pissed when I heard about how "mad" limbaugh was about this in his show when he knew nothing about a local issue.
 
ComradeDavo said:
As a non-US citizen I don't know a great deal about it, what would you US people say was the most wrong with your education system?
Huge class sizes (talkin 35 kids on average per class in clark county (Vegas))

Up intill 6th grade (middle school in most places in the U.S.) The U.S. has the highest testing average in the world after that it's a slow drop of into the low 40s up intill 12th grade

Unequal state proficency test (In most cases you get your requiered credits and
then you do two or three proficency test in math,english,writing some states have no final test at all) From what I've heard the california profecincy test is much harder compared to the one I took in nevada and I probably wouldn't of passed.

Schools funds being based off of property taxes (should be obvious as to way this is wronfg thou .. still very commen)

atm I can't think of many more but I am sure there's more
 
Huge class sizes have been a problem here in the UK as well. the Labour government has done much to try and reduce them, and whilst not doing a bad job there is still much more that needs to be done, of course this requires alot more funding to hire and train more teachers.
 
Federal funding of the public school system. No more local taxation to fund it. This way all school systems in the country will be equal, whether theyre in wealthy or poor communities. That'll get everyones property taxes down, too.
 
DODDS school system for all. Its what federal and military dependants use oversees and I tell you first hand that it is a million times beter then anything else. And a strict policy of of if you fail you fail no free passes. And more votech classes, not everyone is going to be a university student.
 
Bozo Erectus said:
That'll get everyones property taxes down, too.

Not necessarily. The money still has to come from somewhere.

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I think the problem is not to continue to federalize education. The country is too large and diverse for solutions that drive homogeny. Some communities need more ag education, some need more college prep, some need more work skills, etc....

Sure, lower class size is great. So is better pay for teachers. blah blah blah

But all that misses the point. The issue is not so much the teachers, but the parents and the larger society. The parents who have essentially neutered the authority of teachers because they won't let the school district punish their child or flunk them. If they're affluent, they use their $$ and social influence, this scales to the bottom where if you're poor the lever you use is the threat of a lawsuit.

Too many parents think their kids are special little twunts who do know wrong and whom the schools should almost no authority over when it comes to discipline, etc...

Throw all the $$ at the problem you like, but its a reflection of the US culture of narcissism.
 
I think the best thing would be to start having kindergarten mandatory.
I'm not sure if it's the same in all US states, but in California you basically have to either pay a nurse/daycare center or stay at home to take care of your kid before he's old enough for elementary.

And I'm really shocked when people tell me their PUBLIC schools have fundraisers, or that parents are supposed to either commit to working hours for the school or pay a nominal fee of a couple hundred bucks...

If there is one thing you should be happy to pay taxes for, it's to have a decent school system, that's self-sustainable, do not rely on charity, and allows both parents to keep their job without making too big of a financial sacrifice.
 
Masquerouge said:
I think the best thing would be to start having kindergarten mandatory.
I'm not sure if it's the same in all US states, but in California you basically have to either pay a nurse/daycare center or stay at home to take care of your kid before he's old enough for elementary.

I think you mean pre-K? Hmm.. maybe its not mandatory, but I don't know anyone who held their kid out of K-garten when they were old enough. Our oldest just finished Kgarten and all of her friends that she grew up with, except one who was very young, went.

Seriously, who would opt to not send their kids, other than home schoolers?

There is a movement in Cal to actually provide free schooling for the year before kindergarten.
 
Secondary education should be paid for also, I have seen first hand the sucess of the Kalamazoo Promise. I can tell you that the interest in attending college because of it skyrocketed.
 
tomsnowman123 said:
Secondary education should be paid for also, I have seen first hand the sucess of the Kalamazoo Promise. I can tell you that the interest in attending college because of it skyrocketed.

Absolutely 100% wrong. You give away college education and it'll evolve into something just as lame as most high schools. Sorry, but the fact that you have to pay for it makes the student take it much more seriously.

Plus, you can always go to Community College as they are very inexpensive.

While we may bemoan the problems w/ the K-12 system, the US's higher education system is exceptional. No need to ruin it as you suggest.
 
.Shane. said:
Absolutely 100% wrong. You give away college education and it'll evolve into something just as lame as most high schools. Sorry, but the fact that you have to pay for it makes the student take it much more seriously.

Plus, you can always go to Community College as they are very inexpensive.

While we may bemoan the problems w/ the K-12 system, the US's higher education system is exceptional. No need to ruin it as you suggest.

College is too expesnsive for quite a few. And don't worry, this is just one of my suggestions.
 
Cut cut cut cut cut the budget.

Privatize most of it, while providing only basic public education to the lowest classes.
 
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