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Zero day DLC = disrespecting the customer

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by phungus420, May 7, 2010.

  1. tom2050

    tom2050 Deity

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    That is a bit of stretching there. :)

    The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion was released in 2006. At the time, high-end computers were able to run it at the games top graphical levels with high performance. Same goes for today's games.

    I bought my system I currently have around mid 07 (can't remember exact date)... Duo Core 5600+ Athlon 64 X2 3GB Ram for $650. 1 year earlier would have wielded similar results in price for technology.
     
  2. arstal

    arstal Say No 2 Net Validations

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    They're doing it again this year or early next year, with a much higher budget (Elemental)

    Hearts of Iron is also DRM-free, but unsure how well that sells.

    Battlefield Bad Company II is supposed to use a "very light" version of Securom that's in the .exe only, and that game is selling like hotcakes. Unsure if that's good enough for some people though (I haven't decided, I need to hear more info)
     
  3. Duuk

    Duuk Doom-Sayer Supporter

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    And I'll ask: Did you buy the collector's edition of Civ4? I did. It was $10 or $20 more than the base game at time of release. It included a prettier box and a soundtrack CD.

    What did I do with the soundtrack cd? I ripped it to mp3 so I could listen to it while playing other games.

    Now open your Civ4 folder. Click "Assets". Now "Sounds". Look through there. What is it? It's the soundtrack. In mp3 format.

    Yes. Firaxis got me to pay $20 extra for a pretty box and a hard-cd copy of something that they gave you for FREE if you didn't buy the collector's edition.

    And I didn't even get a forum shiny badge or anything.

    With the next release, they're offering a few non-game breaking perks for being a collector's edition buyer.

    And you're saying they're ripping us off NOW? Seriously?
     
  4. Olaf_The_Great

    Olaf_The_Great Omnicidal Oligarch

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    Yes, because last time we had all of the base civilizations with the core game.
     
  5. deanej

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    Its not a question of weather they're ripping us off or not - it's about principle and the community.

    As for the extras with civ4's collectors edition, they eventually got bundled with civ chronicles anyways. Even before chronicles, the second run of box sets released (those that had 1.09 on the CDs) included the tech tree poster. So all anyone got with the collectors edition of civ4 was a special box and a single mp3 file (the opening movie music, which is not in mp3 form otherwise) a little bit earlier.

    I'm against limited stuff in any case. The consumer shouldn't be forced to make a snap decision to buy a product at or before release or have to have a lesser experience.
     
  6. Commander Bello

    Commander Bello Say No 2 Net Validations

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    Same stands true for absolutism at its time.
     
  7. StittsvilleJame

    StittsvilleJame Warlord

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    I don't think that Babylon as a special bonus for buying the deluxe edition will break all modding capailities of this game. Isn't the lead designer a modder? Why wouldn't he have thought of this stuff already?

    I also don't think it's fair to say they're disrespecting you as a customer by releasing extra content for paying customers. I think it's you who are disrespecting the developers with your self righteousness and misplaced sense of entitlement.
     
  8. deanej

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    Jon Shafter might not have a choice in the Babylon thing.

    I'm not saying that they're disrespecting anyone by releasing extra content for paying consumers, I'm saying it's bad if the extra content is limited. It shouldn't matter if I get the game in the pre-release or a few months after release. In fact, with the exception of BtS, I have NEVER gotten a game at release. Why should I be penalized for waiting for information about the game to be well known before making an informed decision?
     
  9. Olaf_The_Great

    Olaf_The_Great Omnicidal Oligarch

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    You know, I would not be too angry if they released Babylon, say, a month later for everyone, and a month earlier for Steam users. I mean, steam blows. Which means they get rewarded.
     
  10. StittsvilleJame

    StittsvilleJame Warlord

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    Why should you get the bonus if you don't fulfill the requirements of the bonus though? The bonus is for people who buy the game as a preorder. If you don't buy the game as a preorder, you aren't being penalized, you are simply not being rewarded. Big difference.

    Anyways, is his name really Jon Shafter? If it is, that's pretty unfortunate... :( Sounds like a porn star name...:lol:
     
  11. deanej

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    Which is why I'm against it. Consumers shouldn't be forced into making a decision to buy the game based on nothing but hype in order to get the full experience.
    Looks like I'm making a LOT of typos tonight... should be Jon Shafer.
     
  12. Thyrwyn

    Thyrwyn Guardian at the Gate

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    They left last week. Peace and quiet until Arts Fest :)
     
  13. frekk

    frekk Scourge of St. Lawrence

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    I was never going to buy Civ5 as soon as it's released, but by releasing what is essentially crippleware at full price, Firaxis has guaranteed I will not buy it new either - I will get a used copy and deny my dollar to Firaxis.
     
  14. Magma

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    Probably not, but that is how it works.
     
  15. StittsvilleJame

    StittsvilleJame Warlord

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    Crippleware? Really?
     
  16. Duuk

    Duuk Doom-Sayer Supporter

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    The sense of entitlement is strong in this one.

    Moderator Action: no need to attack a user you disagree with - discuss the post, not the poster
     
  17. Chalks

    Chalks The blue pieces

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    Good luck buying a used steamworks game. :confused:

    I'm not sure what you're trying to say is "crippleware". Not getting a bonus civ because you didn't get the delux edition?

    I guess your car is crippled too because you didn't pay for heated seats.
     
  18. arstal

    arstal Say No 2 Net Validations

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    The used PC market is a thing of the past. No point in waiting for something that won't happen.
     
  19. The_J

    The_J Say No 2 Net Validations Retired Moderator Supporter

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    Yeah, it's really sad.
    And the people don't mind it. That's even more sad.

    edit: ups, there was one page more.
     
  20. Shurdus

    Shurdus Am I Napoleon?

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    My god, that horrible custom title actually catched on to at least one person. Take that, Firaxis!
     

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