10 Questions to Zionists

[angrybellsprout]

Not sure if this belongs in the world history forum or not.

1. IS IT TRUE that in 1941 and again in 1942, the German Gestapo offered all European Jews transit to Spain, if they would relinquish all their property in Germany and Occupied France; on condition that:


a) none of the deportees travel from Spain to Palestine; and

b) all the deportees be transported from Spain to the USA or British colonies, and there to remain; with entry visas to be arranged by the Jews living there; and

c) $1000.00 ransom for each family to be furnished by the Agency, payable upon the arrival of the family at the Spanish border at the rate of 1000 families daily.

2. IS IT TRUE that the Zionist leaders in Switzerland and Turkey received this offer with the clear understanding that the exclusion of Palestine as a destination for the deportees was based on an agreement between the Gestapo and the Mufti.

3. IS IT TRUE that the answer of the Zionist leaders was negative, with the following comments:


a) ONLY Palestine would be considered as a destination for the deportees.

b) The European Jews must accede to suffering and death greater in measure than the other nations, in order that the victorious allies agree to a "Jewish State" at the end of the war.

c) No ransom will be paid

4. IS IT TRUE that this response to the Gestapo's offer was made with the full knowledge that the alternative to this offer was the gas chamber.

5. IS IT TRUE that in 1944, at the time of the Hungarian deportations, a similar offer was made, whereby all Hungarian Jewry could be saved.

6. IS IT TRUE that the same Zionist hierarchy again refused this offer (after the gas chambers had already taken a toll of millions).

7. IS IT TRUE that during the height of the killings in the war, 270 Members of the British Parliament proposed to evacuate 500,000 Jews from Europe, and resettle them in British colonies, as a part of diplomatic negotiations with Germany.

8. IS IT TRUE that this offer was rejected by the Zionist leaders with the observation "Only to Palestine!"

9. IS IT TRUE that the British government granted visas to 300 rabbis and their families to the Colony of Mauritius, with passage for the evacuees through Turkey. The "Jewish Agency" leaders sabotaged this plan with the observation that the plan was disloyal to Palestine, and the 300 rabbis and their families should be gassed.

10. IS IT TRUE that during the course of the negotiations mentioned above, Chaim Weitzman, the first "Jewish statesman" stated: "The most valuable part of the Jewish nation is already in Palestine, and those Jews living outside Palestine are not too important". Weitzman's cohort, Greenbaum, amplified this statement with the observation "One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Europe".

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http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/rabbi_quotes/weissmandl.cfm

 

[ori]

N o

Spoiler :

and with no sources to back these claims up it is just another site that says "look jews could have saved jews and so they are responsible for the holocaust" - if you want to discredit zionists there are ways that have more chance of standing up to any reasonable discussion, antisemitic rants don't fit into this category... and Jews against Zionism unfortunately find that aligning themselves with antisemitic groups is the best way to ensure the removal of a jewish state in the holy land

 

[Verbose]

Questions presuppose the existence of some form of organised international "zionist" executive body. There wasn't one, except perhaps in the minds of the Nazi leadership. (Himmler certainly believed so, and even tried to make a deal with it in 1945. First he had to find it though, which couldn't be done since it didn't exist.)

Also there are chronological problems with the scenario the questions proceed from, making it impossible.

Can we say "Protocols of the Elders of Zion"?

 

[HannibalBarka]

Blaming some Jews for not saving other Jews from the Shoa is like blaming you for not stopping the Rwanda massacre, it's dumb at best, and more likely undecent. There are other forums for anti-semite crap.

 

[Phlegmak]

What's a zionist, exactly?

 

[Verbose]

What's a zionist, exactly?

The founder of the movement:
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/Herzl.html

 

[Phlegmak]

Based on this definition:

Zionism, the national movement for the return of the Jewish people to their homeland and the resumption of Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel, advocated, from its inception, tangible as well as spiritual aims. Jews of all persuasions, left and right, religious and secular, joined to form the Zionist movement and worked together toward these goals. Disagreements led to rifts, but ultimately, the common goal of a Jewish state in its ancient homeland was attained. The term "Zionism" was coined in 1890 by Nathan Birnbaum.

Zionism is the Jewish crusade. And the effort of the Muslims to kick the Jews out is the Muslim crusade.

 

[Bill3000]

Zionism is the Jewish crusade. And the effort of the Muslims to kick the Jews out is the Muslim crusade.

No, not necessarily. The Zionist movement was originally secular.

 

[Berrie]

7) This one is true. The British, at some time, proposed land in the then called Uganda (now Kenia) as home country for jews. Some even went there, but the attempt eventually failed. There is however a group there that converted to judaism.

I will try to find a wiki article...

EDIT: I'm not sure it was during WW II, however.

 

[IglooDame]

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