1512-1701 (An Odessy!)

[Aeon221]

@Metacomet: Thanks for the maps AND the culture group idea! That will work perfectly! I can cut down the number of civs in both N and S America (since they really wont be playable in most senses of the word anyway), allowing me to add some civs elsewhere (like in Africa, where I desperately need to add two).

@Bombshoo: Thanks for the tip! I will check them out and see. If/when I use the culture group idea I will add either one or both of them.

I have found most of the leadernames for the various civs I have listed... and although recent ideas may force some major changes they are basically finished. Which means I will soon be starting on picking out city names (about 20 per civ capable of colonizing) and GLs. I will pick up an atlas or three in my school library and start choosing city locations too so that I can start the placement and begin considering resources.

This is going WAYY faster than I expected! Thanks for all the help everyone!

 

[Mistfit]

Just let me know if there is any other research that can be done

They don't call me the UberGoogler for nothing

 

[Olorin0222]

Swiss Leader: I don't know if anyone reading this thread has kept an eye on R8XFT's Anno Domini thread or not, but they just got through having a huge discussion on which female Egyptian LH to use: Cleopatra, better-known but of Macedonian decent, or Hatshepsut, a true Egyptian.

We kind of have a similiar situation here. John Calvin was a Frenchman who controlled the city of Geneva from 1541-64, and Ulrich Zwingli was a Swiss who controlled Zurich from 1518-1531, when he was killed in battle. Either one would work for me. I guess whichever one we have a closer-looking LH for.

Let me know if you want any research done too. Mistfit and I can do a lot of the compiling and researching for you, while it's a little bit more difficult for us to modify the .biq

 

[Mistfit]

Zwingli on the left and Calvin on the right. I don't really think we have anyone that looks like either

 

[Olorin0222]

I think you're right.

 

[FooFight2000]

well, if i got a vote, id vote the swiss off. and i wouldnt add another HRE civ either in replace of them. Europe is crammed butpossibly crimea or another khanate to help fill out russia. That or Korea or an african civ

 

[Figaro]

Thats good for Scotland, but what about Wales? In civ terms I guess its completely "English", but 'their' act of union is in 1536 if I remember right. If you have a spare improvement/wonder spot, you might be able to implement SOMETHING to represent it (IE welsh act of union, only buildable in cardiff from the start of the game, makes happy faces, something like that)

Just thought I'd add, since ~1415 or thereabouts Wales was basically entirely under English rule, the 1536 act of union was a mere formality. The "Principality of Wales" you see on that map was the ground owned by the Prince of Wales, who was the English Kings son (providing there was one). So not at all autonamous I'm afraid.

 

[Aeon221]

I have been thinking the same thing about the Swiss, but I am worried removing them will cause some serious problems in the HRE with weakness (since I intend to keep all the civs to one or two cities). The goal is to have a little something for everyone, from city states to massive empires. However, I do feel that getting rid of it may help ease civ requirements in other areas.

Dont worry about Europe being crammed! I have got a few ideas on how to make sure they get plenty of food and production AND that they arent completely screwed for raw materials either. Its just gonna take a bit of careful planning ;p

@Figaro: I had known that Wales was already part of England for a while, but not exactly when! Thanks for the dates and data!

 

[Olorin0222]

By this time frame, Switzerland was no longer under the rule of the Habsburgs or the HRE. The Swiss victory in a war against the Swabian League in 1499 amounted to de facto independence from the Holy Roman Empire.

During the 1300's, The Hapsburgs did have some control over the Swiss, but by the 1400's the Hapsburg, the Burgundians and the Duke of Savoy were all trying to get control of this autonomous region.

If you want to take out the Swiss, but keep the HRE up to par with the other European nations, you could add in the Bohemians instead, or a confederation of Rhinish territories.

 

[Aeon221]

I know (EU2 after all ;p)... but I was figuring I could fudge it a bit haha

The thing is is that the Swiss were a hotbed for religious discontent. Leaving them out makes me feel... unclean ;p

Bohemia is out; like Hungary, it is soon to be annexed. I could always just make it the Palatinate if it comes to that (or Milan, my favorite! ;p ...but not so likely).

I found a listing of the Dodges on Wiki (LOVE that site) but have not had the opportunity to check it out, owing to a meeting of the school's literary rag. Most of the other leaders have been selected.

I am thinking about making a perm-alliance between the Turks and the French, considering their tacit and not-so-tacit agreements to slaughter Hapsburgs. I am worried that without it, the French may be easily overwhelmed by a combigned action of Austria, HRE, and Spain... which, knowing the AI, is always possible. Of course, this is all theory (based on reasonable assumptions), but I feel that this would work well.

I am trying to include civs based on history and gameplay, which is why the Swiss are such a tough choice. History: BIEN! Gameplay: Implementation not so good...

What about the Dutch?

Their revolution is not slated for a while into the start of the scenario (which means no perm war with Spain) so it will look a bit odd... but I guess that's just life.

Back to the research ;p

 

[Aeon221]

Doge Alvise Mocenigo I

Seems like there is doodly squat on them, so I will just use him.

 

[Olorin0222]

Would you like me or Mistfit to come up with city lists for the mod? We won't worry about European cities, since you are deciding which cities to make there, but we could come up with a list of 20 colonies to be used for each of the major civs?

 

[Aeon221]

That sounds like a pretty good idea, actually. I had intended to have a Eurocity list last night... but then I realized I had a calc test, so instead I spent the night wrestling with that chilling spectre. Haha, at least I will get a good grade on that.

Here are the colonizers:

Spain
England
Portugal
France
Netherlands
Russia (30 for them)

If anyone knows if any of the other nations I have listed is a colonial power, just mention it I guess. I believe that that is the final list of colonizers.

 

[Aeon221]

Turned Iroquois and Cherokee into Woodland Tribes
Added Mamelukes

Turned Aztecs and Mayans into Central Americans (will include some Carribbean tribes as well)
Added Genoa

Turning in Midyear report! ;p

 

[Olorin0222]

I am at school right now. I will get some lists up this afternoon.

 

[Metacomet]

The civilizations in Africa I thik that must be Songhay, Abyssinia and Zimbabwe

 

[Figaro]

I'd have thought the Dutch should be represented somehow considering they were a big colonizer.

 

[Aeon221]

...Netherlands? ;p hahahaha

Dude, the Dutch ARE the Netherlands... the terms are interchangeable. Either going to call them The United Provinces or The Dutch Republic. Trust me, I would NEVER forget them... even though we will be a little early with their revolting ;p

Decided to implement the Huegenouts with barbarians and technologies. Its the only thing I can think of because I can hardly represent the King of France as a Barbarian... ;p

I have the leaders written down for all the Euro Civs (except Genoa, recent addition), all the Mideastern Civs. I still need some ideas for the NA, SA, and East (or about 8 civs)

I would already had them were it not for my stats test today... next period... calc was first... why the HELL did I think it was a smart idea to take TWO maths???

Tonight will hopefully end up with a lot more work done, because I am starting to really get behind where I want to be. If Poser5 hasnt show up by the weekend after next, I wont be able to get it till March... which means I will be really really behind in unit creation ARRGGHH!!

deep breath... study!

Should I find a way to return treasure to places other than the capital (allowing for the creation of Centers of Trade) or simply assume that goods should just go to the capital? For instance, Seville was a major trading city, but was not Spain's capital (sadly... the Monarchs would have been far more easily influenced by mercantile lobbies had they been by the sea. Instead, they were deep in the country, where only the nobility could afford to be with them on a regular basis... and since proximity to the king is power...). Instead, that honor went to Madrid, a city deep in the midst of Spain.

Anyway

 

[Olorin0222]

First, if Poser doesn't arrive in time, you can just keep working on the mod, and release a graphics patch afterwards, if necessary. You can probably find enough placeholder graphics to test on and perfect the mod in the meantime.

EDIT: In case anyone is wondering, I am not listing these colonies in order of importance, but rather in order of their founding. I am also listing these cities in their native language and/or the name they were founded with, e.g. Ciudad de los Reyes is the modern city of Lima, Peru, and Nouvelle-Orléans is New Orleans.


Spanish Colonies: (23)

San Salvador
Santo Domingo de Guzmán
Santiago de Cuba
Nueva Toledo
Ciudad de Panamá
La Villa Rica de la Vera Cruz
Ciudad de México
San Cristóbal de La Habana
Cartagena de Indias
Quito
Santiago de Guayaquil
Ciudad de los Reyes
El Dorado
Cusco
Santa Fé de Bogotá
Santiago de Nueva Extremadura
Valparaiso
Nuestra Señora de La Paz
Maracaibo
Santa Maria del Bueno Ayre
San Agustin
Santiago de Leon de Caracas
Santa Fé


French Colonies: (21)

Acadia
Québec
Trois-Rivières
Montréal
Senegal
Guyane
Sainte Kitts
Grenada
Port-au-Paix
Petit Goave
Leogane
Guadeloupe
Martinique
Cap-Haïtien
Île de Bourbon
Chandernagore
Pondicherry
Maurepas
Mobile
Nouvelle-Orléans
Île Royale


British Colonies: (23)

Jamestown
Cuper’s Cove
Plymouth
Gloucester
Salem
Boston
Cambridge
Providence
Springfield
Hartford
New London
Newark
Charles Town
Worcester
Falls of the Delaware
Calcutta
Richmond
Norfolk
Yorktown
Williamsburg
Anne Aurendel’s Town
Fredericksburg
Baltimore


Dutch Colonies: (22)

Fort Oranje
Sint Maarten
Nieuw Amsterdam
Essequibo
Demerara
Berbice
Fort Nassau
Fort Casimir
Fort Beversrede
Tobago
Bonaire
Curaçao
St. Eustasius
Aruba
Saba
Bactavia
Deshima
Tortola
Anegada
Virgin Gorda
Kaapstad
Schenectady


Portuguese Colonies: (20)

Porto Seguro
Goa
São Sebastião de Moçambique
Malacca
Ambon
Sao Tome
São Vicente
Bom Bahia
Recife
Santos
Quelimane
São Salvador da Bahia
Colégio de São Paulo de Piratininga
Macau
São Sebastiao do Rio de Janiero
São Paulo de Luanda
Timor
Natal
Belem
Baloma


Russian Cities:

Tsaryowo Gorodishche
Orel
Ufa
Archangel
Tyumen
Samara
Tobolsk
Kudymkar
Sarapul
Saratov
Danilov
Obdorsk
Tomsk
Dudinka
Kuznetsk
Uralsk
Krasnoi-Yar
Irbit
Bratsk
Yakutsk
Tambov
Verkhoyansk
Saransk
Simbirsk
Ulyanovsk
Chita
Irkutsk
Kemerovo
Penza
Kamensk-Shakhtinski
Udinsk

P.S. If Tsaryowo Gorodishche is too long, call it Kurgan, the name it got in the 1700's.

 

[Aeon221]

I am still working out how to work the editor right. Ideas yes, technical stuff no. I downloaded a program that seems very helpful, but I am stuck on getting it to import the terrain I want it to use. I have an idea though, so never fear! ;p

These look pretty good, so I will just replace the city list with them ;p