Evie
Pronounced like Eevee
I'd say Russia and France would be next on the inclusion list.
19 Civilizations, lets vote! PART 3!
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george_manet
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I realize this thread is pretty much useless now and the poll is done, but why wasn't Austria on your list? Austria has never been in a Civ game and I have no idea why. In terms of peak power, historical significance and especially culture, Austria is way ahead of just about all of the candidates you listed... I live in Quebec and even I know that's a terrible idea for a civ!
Even with the 32 civs after ptw and conquests, Austria was still left out. And don't say it was because the game already had too many European civs. Geographic diversity was obviously not an issue because there were seven civs crammed into the middle east (Sumerians?!).
This time around, let's give the Hapsburgs the respect they so sorely deserve.
Even with the 32 civs after ptw and conquests, Austria was still left out. And don't say it was because the game already had too many European civs. Geographic diversity was obviously not an issue because there were seven civs crammed into the middle east (Sumerians?!).
This time around, let's give the Hapsburgs the respect they so sorely deserve.
Because Austria is a German power?
Theres all kinds of oddities on that list. England are not on it for one. They only had the largest Empire in history, have contributed alot scientifically, was the home of the industrial revolution and have been a recognised civilization since aboit 500AD known as the Britons at that point. Celts made it tho but i agree that the Celts should be on there.
Mr. Blonde
Dr. techn.
Karl V and Phillip II were Habsburg and therefore ruled the Austrian Empire which included Spain, Netherlands, Milan and the colonies. So much for biased history...
I would love to have Austria included since we have a very distinct and long history. If the Ottomans are included Austria is a must-have.
Germany, however was not much of a power before the rise of Prussia long after Austria had established its empire. - I say replace Germany with Austria...
KrysTheGreat
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What about Canada? I think that they should be in. I mean, they are a great country. And why Quebec? Or is that supposed to mean Canada too?
Superkrest
Hero of the Soviet Union
as a canadian..i would like to see them..but i think there are far superior choices for a civ then canada...and if they were to remove any of the 18 from the list for canada..i think i would be dissapointed..but be careful..bringing up canada in any of these threads usaully causes an uproar
Mr. Blonde
Dr. techn.
Originally posted by Mr. Blonde
Germany, however was not much of a power before the rise of Prussia long after Austria had established its empire. - I say replace Germany with Austria...
Sorry if someone took this as serious suggestion (the smiley should have suggested otherwise).
However, I say Austria is at least as relevant as Spain, the Netherlands or the Ottoman empire and you would need it for scenarios from 14th century up to WWI anyhow. I don´t mind if they are not in the original release but I would like them at least for an expansion. I am quite positive that someone will mod them, I hope the leaderheads don´t prove themself as hindrance. I suggest Karl V or Maria Theresia as leaders.
george_manet
Chieftain
Knight-Dragon said:
I think America is far more "English" than Austria is German. And I think the Dutch, who were in conquests, are far more German than Austria is.
What would be Canada's UU? Maybe a really cheap helicopter that falls apart...
george_manet
Chieftain
... maybe Canada could have the special ability of buy units from other civs after those units have become obsolete.
Superkrest
Hero of the Soviet Union
A mountie on a ski doo..lol..
about the austria thing..i think the problem with adding a civ like that is the precident it sets...people of scottish decent will say they shouldnt be included as english and ukrainians will not want to be part of russia and soo on. not to say the dont deserve a spot..its just that they cant make everyone happy..so why try
about the austria thing..i think the problem with adding a civ like that is the precident it sets...people of scottish decent will say they shouldnt be included as english and ukrainians will not want to be part of russia and soo on. not to say the dont deserve a spot..its just that they cant make everyone happy..so why try
george_manet
Chieftain
Superkrest said:
I agree that the Scots and the Ukranians are distinct peoples with distinct cultures, but politically they are parts of Great Britain and Russia (well, the Ukranians were a part of Russia for a long time). But the only time Austria was ever a part of Germany was from 1938 to 1945, and during that period Germany controlled lots of areas that weren't necessarily German...
Thanks for the 10 points, Himalia. Where do I go to redeam them for a prize?
Evie
Pronounced like Eevee
The problem, George, is that you're focusing on the NATION Germany. Austria, indeed, should not be accounted part of that.
But the historical German civilization? Historically, Austria was pretty much always part of that. The Roman Empire of the German Nation (better known as Holy Roman Empire) pretty much always included Vienna, Salzburg and so forth, from its founding some time after the Death of Charlemagne to its death at the hands of Napoléon nearly a millenium later.
Even after that happened, Austria was not out of Germany. Austria was still Prussia's major rival in vying for influence over the rest of Germany in the 19th century; Prussia ultimately won over Germany while Austria was forced to focus on its eastern territories (Hungary, etc).
Now granted, Germay led by Bismark or Hitler and with Panzer UUs is rather questionable for Austria.
But the historical German civilization? Historically, Austria was pretty much always part of that. The Roman Empire of the German Nation (better known as Holy Roman Empire) pretty much always included Vienna, Salzburg and so forth, from its founding some time after the Death of Charlemagne to its death at the hands of Napoléon nearly a millenium later.
Even after that happened, Austria was not out of Germany. Austria was still Prussia's major rival in vying for influence over the rest of Germany in the 19th century; Prussia ultimately won over Germany while Austria was forced to focus on its eastern territories (Hungary, etc).
Now granted, Germay led by Bismark or Hitler and with Panzer UUs is rather questionable for Austria.
Urederra
Mostly harmless
Mr. Blonde said:
Phillip II was born in Valladolid, Spain. And the country he ruled was Spain. The general trend in Spain was to consider everything that belonged to the empire part of Spain, not a separated colony.
Evie
Pronounced like Eevee
Phillip II NEVER ruled Austria. When Karl V abdicated he split his territories between the Spanish Empire and the HRE; Phillip became ruler of Spain and Ferdinand (Karl's brother) took over the HRE, splitting the Hapsburg into two branches.
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