2013 NHL Playoffs

[SuperBeaverInc.]

Some random jumbled rule ideas for future versions:

-Instead of 4 points for Stanley Cup champion, 2 for runner up, 2 if your champion is runner-up, and 0 if your runner-up wins, might I suggest switching to 2 point per correc conference champion, and 2 more point if your conference champion prediction win the cup? It's essentially the same as we have now, except that you effectively get two points if your predicted runner-up instead end up champion.

I like this idea

-Possibly spread out the love a bit in the final round. As it is, once it gets to the final round, there's very little wiggle room to have a multi-player race (as in this case, where only Rub'rum and I could win by the time we reached the final round), because pretty much all the points ride on who win the Cup, and that's a binary yes/no.

Among ways this could be done:
-Bump the value of the # of games prediction a little for the last round (and, possibly, award those points even if people got the winner wrong).
-Add other issues to make prediction on: Conn Smythe winner, player who score the winning goal, etc.

By diversifying the number of ways to make points, you make it possible for multiple different people to catch up to one another in the final round. This also serves to make strategic voting much more difficult, since there are too many possible outcomes for strat. voting to work.

Bumping correct game predictions might work. One idea I had was perhaps adding points for how close you were to the correct number of games. i.e. in the first round 2 points for a correct prediction:

• 0 bonus points if off by 3 games
• 1 bonus point if off by 2 games
• 2 bonus points if off by 1 game
• 3 bonus points for correct prediction

Conn Smythe and winning goal seem to difficult to actually do. As who for example would have predicted Dave Bolland? And how many points would that actually be worth.

Actually, I would have won if I'd predicted the correct number of games, assuming that later round victories serve as tie-breakers.

Personally, I kind of like things how they are, although I would be in favour of giving a 'consolation prize' of sorts to predicting correct conference champions, even when you predict the final incorrectly.

There isn't really actually a tiebreaker, as you can see in the multiple runners up we have had. Perhaps we should establish one in case two people end up tying for first (Don't really care about second place). Maybe make the tiebreaker number of correct series length predictions?

 

[Rub'Rum]

Actually, I would have won if I'd predicted the correct number of games, assuming that later round victories serve as tie-breakers.

That's partly why I predicted the same number of games that you chose...

Personally, I'd almost be in favor of a system where we PM our guesses to Subi who makes them public once the round has started... Maybe we would still have to post that we've sent them to Subi in the main thread. I dunno! But that makes Subi work more and might quiet down the thread.

 

[SuperBeaverInc.]

That's partly why I predicted the same number of games that you chose...

Personally, I'd almost be in favor of a system where we PM our guesses to Subi who makes them public once the round has started... Maybe we would still have to post that we've sent them to Subi in the main thread. I dunno! But that makes Subi work more and might quiet down the thread.

Would also mean that I probably wouldn't be allowed to participate cause I could strategically pick based off of everyone else's picks

 

[Rub'Rum]

Would also mean that I probably wouldn't be allowed to participate cause I could strategically pick based off of everyone else's picks

Wellllllllllllll.... Good point but... I have complete trust in the commissionner

 

[shadowplay]

I think we should award the most points to the person with the most wrong guesses, so I have a shot of winning.

 

[Evie]

Subi could opst his guess first along with a "Send me your guesses now!" post.

That way everyone can guess after him.

Of course that would make it possible to strategic-vote against him.

Perhaps increased points value for whoever first make a correct pick? So if two people make the exact same pick, the first person to post it (counting edits) get an extra point or something.

 

[ummmm........]

• 0 bonus points if off by 3 games
• 1 bonus point if off by 2 games
• 2 bonus points if off by 1 game
• 3 bonus points for correct prediction

Of course, then you'd never really want to pick a series to go four or seven. Better to pick five or six and guarantee at least one point . . .

 

[Lord_Iggy]

Yeah. I think we should keep the 'correct games prediction' thing just as it is right now.

 

[Evie]

That IS indeed a problem with that system.

Best way to fix that issue would be to do something like:`

2 point if you have the exact number of games.
1 point if you predicted a blow-out (5 games or less) or a drawn-out series (6 or more) correctly but got the actual number wrong.

Alternatively we could just add diverse extra ways of scoring bonus points that would reward trying to be daring with predictions (and as a result punish strategic voting).

But we'd still have the fundamental problem that in the final round, there's only one series, so a lot of it is a binary yes:no question.

 

[ummmm........]

I sort of feel silly commenting because I'm not really one of the board's 'hockey people', it's just the sport I like to watch while I'm waiting for CFB.

That said, I think the core problem is the strategic picking -- people picking to win the thread rather than picking based on what they think will actually happen. I think the best solution for that is picking via PM, but then you've got to find someone to be the guy to accept the PMs. Not it!

 

[Loppan Torkel]

Of course, then you'd never really want to pick a series to go four or seven. Better to pick five or six and guarantee at least one point . . .

The seven games pick could still give you two points if the other team won a seven game series.

I agree on the strategic picking, but it's only a problem in the later/last round. Make the last round a PM prediction.

I like Oda's runner up + champion idea.

Conn Smythe and scoring race winner could also be added, imo.

 

[Loppan Torkel]

What rules?