Why i hate police officers

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The reason I hate police officers is because a large number of them are power hungry bullies. Most of them were probably bullies in school and just ended up growing up to be bullies with badges.

I never used to believe this. A friend once told me this and I disagreed. I clung desperately to the notion that the police are good honest people that I respect very much. However i no longer hold that belief.

We live in white picket fence suburbia. Mostly white middle class people. My brother's friend (about 20 years old) was pulled over by the police last night for absolutely no reason last night. He's a youg black man in a Mini-van. This cop had him get out of the van, patted him down and then searched the vehichle.. demanding to know where he got his stereo amplifier (after all he's a black kid he MUST have stolen it right). He wasthen told to "have a good night" and let go.

This kid is polite, well groomed and well dressed sort of the "preppy style" He doesn't wear gang colours or anything like that.. His family owns a restuarant and is fairly well off.

This isn't the first time this has happened. My brother and him were driving once. A cop pulled them over (again for no reason). Demanded to see BOTH of their ID's even though only one was driving. He then held them up for over a half hour as he ran their licenses through the computer system. When that was done they were told "just a routine check.. have a good night". I asked my brother "Why didn't you demand their badge numbers and file a complaint". he said "yeah right.. once you do that you get marked and THEN you're really screwed.. better to just put up with it".

White adults don't get treated this way so why can they do it to teenagers? These cops are hoping that just MAYBE they might get lucky and eventually they'll find some pot or maybe a stolen vehichle.

I have a friend that works in a pub. Due to the fact that he can't afford to own a vehichle he walks home after it closes at 2AM. Well for a while he was being stopped by the SAME two cops EVERY single night on the same stretch of road. Just hoping they'd find some drugs or maybe they could at least lay a "public intoxication" charge. They never did of course. Know what it took to make them lay off? His dad is friends with one of the higest ranking cops in the area. He actually ended up getting a personal apology from those two idiot cops.

Well when people are harassed by and fear their public servants there is something seriously wrong with our country. Our police cars say "to serve and protect" on the doors. Maybe they should say "To indimidate and harass".

It really doesn't surprise me that entire neighbourhoods of people (often minorities and other poor) fear and mistrust the police. The only surprise is that there aren't MORE riots.

I'm sure not all cops are bad.. however enough of them ARE that it taints the entire profession...
 
There are bad apples in every profession, and I will agree that the police force does tend to attract a greater proportion.
We tend to notice the bad ones more than the good ones, who tend to be more unobtrusive in doing their job.
I could relate lots of sob stories about cop harassment, but it would serve no real purpose. In the end, it is a very rough job, dealing with the dregs of civilization every shift, so I can see how they might also become desensitized and persuaded of stereotypes.

There is no easy answer, but I won't go so far as to say I hate cops. My hate is a terrible and mortal weapon, and I apply it sparingly. I do dislike when , in the course of their duty, they act in a manner that is contrary to my interests. But, there are a lot of good coppers out there, andeven ones who do bad are capable of good.
Doing a job like that changes you in many ways, methinks.

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I agree with you to an extent. However it is unacceptable when those "changes" infringe upon my rights in a democratic society.

In my opinion, all the officers involved (in both of my stories) deserve to lose their jobs. If you can't handle the responsibility that goes with authority then you should lose it.
 
Actually police mostly consist of the dorks in school that where pushed around by bullys so they use the badge to get even.

I used to beleive the second part too.

The reason cops pull people over for routine checks or because the person is a minority is simple Quota. Theyre supposed to get so many a tickets a month. Does it matter how? Not for them.
 
Yeah, can the bad ones is good idea, but then what. We have less cops. We need em, warts and all.
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I live in what used to be quiet little suburban street, until some well meaning social worker type moved in some gutter scum down the end of the street. In the intervening period, they have vandalized, threatened, had screaming matches in street, and terrorized pensioners. Cops do visit em, and yeah, even harass em. But these f**ks deserve it. And, yeah they are Aboriginal.so call me racist. But when one of their little friends walks past me dad, and asks him to kiss his foot, and when told to piss off, threatens to stab him, I suddenly don't feel full of concern about civil rights in general. That little bastard ever comes back, he'll find out what an Irish six pack is. If I'm in a good mood.
This is what cops have to deal with 95% of time- 5% causing 98% of trouble. I can understand to a degree why they then act somewhat erroneously in other circumstances.

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I do however think there's a difference between "acting erroneously" and harassing the innocent.

And there may be two sides to every story.. BUT if there was a REASON to pull these kids over than they should have been charged... BUT but they weren't.. which shows that it was just a random thing.
 
Even though I've been on the wrong end of the law once or twice, I think you are oversimplifying the problem with police. I've run into some real ******* cops, and I've run into some really good and reasonable ones. It's something we have to deal with.

The problem as I see it is not that we have bad cops, it's that we have a system shich discriminates against minorities. I will not deny that cops single out blacks and hispanics when they track down cars, in fact, I would go as far to say that it's an unwritten policy. That's the real problem. It's not that most cops are *******s to everybody, it's that they are *******s to some people.

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hey...wasn't it cops that protected those black guys when they went to a white school?
holdon it was army aye??

hmmm, cops piss me off sometimes, me and mate were litting some smokebombs and these cps got really pissed off, they obviosly have too much time
 
Yeah, Eisenhower sent in 1000 paratroopers from the 82nd Airborne after the local Governor had used the National Guard to bar the way of the black students. If my memory serves me correctly.

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stop and search and you got a problem????

They do it because it is a successful way of catching people with stolen goods, vehicles, with drugs etc...just cos young men from ethnic minorities do commit a large proportion of the minor crime YOU say get off their backs in case it is racist!

However on your side again THERE is no need for lippy comments, time-wasting (half an hour to be checked out on the side of the road? ridiculous). The police KNOW what type of people commit most crime and pull over people they 'suspect'...would you stop that.

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Hmm it really sound like a lot of you guys don't like the police?? Well then my advice to you is don't go to Italy!! They have more cops per person then any other country - or at least you would think so after having been there...

I don't have a problem with the cops, probably because they aren't as big a pain in the ass as in other counties. But just remember what the world would be without a law enforcing government branch!!

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Yeah, I'd like to go on record saying that i do not hate the police. I dislike extremely certain members of theor ranks- the bad ones, the corrupt ones, the liars and hypocrites.
But I like the vast majority, I like law and order, I like goodness(in my case evil, however..
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But I F*****G HATE CRIMINALS.

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And YES I have an absolute problem with random checks.

Just because it solves crime does not make it justified or right. If the cops could enter your home at any time they would be able to catch tons of criminals... imagine how great it would be if they didn't need search warrants. HOWEVER the rights and freedoms of a society are more important than that of the police. THAT is why we have a constitution. To prtect us from tyranny and corruption.

In the states somewhere the cops wanted to set up random road blocks/checks to stop cars and check for drugs. Can you imagine the criminals they could have caught? HOWEVER the supreme court ruled that this was unconstitutional.

I'm personally not willing to slide into an Orwellian hell in the name of catching ALL the criminals that inhabit our country.

Look at China for instance... they have low crime rates. WHY? The police have absolute power and it's easy to arrest people...

As for stopping people of a certain minority group.. regardless of how many crimes you claim minorities commit - THAT minority was committing no crime and to pull them over on the off chance that they might be breaking the law - absolutely racist. I have absolutely no use for cops like that. They can rot in hell as far as I'm concerned.

Originally posted by kittenOFchaos:
stop and search and you got a problem????

They do it because it is a successful way of catching people with stolen goods, vehicles, with drugs etc...just cos young men from ethnic minorities do commit a large proportion of the minor crime YOU say get off their backs in case it is racist!

However on your side again THERE is no need for lippy comments, time-wasting (half an hour to be checked out on the side of the road? ridiculous). The police KNOW what type of people commit most crime and pull over people they 'suspect'...would you stop that.

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Every occupation/profession has it's 'bad apples' and I don't envy the job that police are required by society to perform - "a policeman's lot is not a happy one". There needs to be appropriate accountability procedures in place to ensure that individual abuse of power is weeded out and dealt with.

I'll concede that when there is systemic corruption in a police force (and corruption is part of the police culture), it requires more than internal accountability procedures. In some Australian States permanent judicial bodies - 'Commission Against Corruption' - have been established to deal with systemic corruption of police and other areas of government. It's not perfect but they appear to be cleaning up the police in the states of New South Wales and Queensland, which were the most corrupt in this country.
Btw in my humble opinion hating the Police (in a democratic society as distinct from an authoritarian Police State) is on par with hating an ethnic group because you've had a bad experience with individuals - doesn't make sense.

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As far as cops go--well, I don't like them, but I don't hate them, either. I look upon them as a necesary evil. They don't harass me though I'm a black woman. I think that I have a real fear of cops because they have so much power, and when they go bad, they're almost never caught. I feel powerless against them, and I forget that there are actually good cops out there, but they're overshadowed by the bad ones.

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Redwold et al:

First, I am sorry about your friends' problems.

However, in defense of these cops, you have to realize you are a member of a demographic group that is disproportionately represented in crime statistics, and not as victimcs. It may not be fair, but I'd hesitate to call it racism. Hedging their bets for sure, but hardly racism.

I'm not saying there are no racist cops, but I'm willing to bet that for every racist cop, there are fifteen or twenty who just realize that pulling over a young black man driving a nice car in a predominately white neighborhood is usually a good idea. Regrettably, the odds favor them.

Does it suck? Hell yeah! Is it unfair? Hell yeah! Is it the cops' fault? No. Whose fault is it? Well, let's see...Dr Dre, Fatboy Slim, Notorius BIG, Tupac Shakur...starting to see a pattern here? When 90% of your demographic group grows up listening to people who tell them that selling drugs and shooting cops is a good thing, how do you expect the cops to react?

You want to blame someone, how about starting with those punks that are ruining it for you? If the cops didn't stand pretty good odds of being right when they pulled over a car driven by black youths to search it, they wouldn't bother. And your friends are adding to the problem by not registering complaints. Fear of reprisal? Shee-oot, what do you think was going through Rosa Parks' mind when she sat down on that bus?

Problem is, today, instead of listening to great men like Dr. Martin Luther King jr, young black men are listening to self-styled 'gangstas'.

Well, I guess I've said enough (to get called a big-time racist, anyways).
 
OK - normally I like cops but right now I'm Royally pissed at them.....

We just had a break in this night and the cops came and wrote everything down and all. But we had a VERY good idea about who did it and we told them, but they didn't care, because we didn't have any proof!!!!!!!

So we took maters in our own hands and our things are returning home as I post this!!! We simply just told this guy that we knew it was his friends and we would turn them in if we didn't get everything back - and voila!!!

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I like the police in the United States for making this society a relatively safe place to be when compared to places like Israel. I don't like racial profiling and we need better sensitivity training for our police, but I would take the way things are here in a minute compared to places like Afghanistan where non-Muslims have to wear a yellow patch on their clothing.

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Remember, Police officers spend most of their time dealing with the worst scum of humanity - this naturally makes their opinion of their fellow human being suffer. This is the psychology created by the paramaters of their job.
 
Originally posted by FearlessLeader2:
Redwold et al:

First, I am sorry about your friends' problems.

Kinda sucks when your "problem" is being black doesn't it?

Second... my demographic is "white male". My brother's friend is black but my brother is NOT. However he's also a YOUTH and when you're a cop that's one more reason to violate somebody's constitutional rights.

I also understand what you're saying about the gangsta mentality and I also hate that type of music... I think it does black youth a grave disservice by promoting that lifestyle.

HOWEVER that does not entitle police officers to harass minorities. Reardless of WHY they do it - it's WRONG. and THAT is why i hate police officers.

My brother's friend does not dress like a gansgter/drug dealer... no bandannas, gang colours etc. He dresses just like everyone else... a pair of khakis and a shirt... short preppy hair style.

I would also like to comment on your comment about minorities committing the majority of the crime.. I would venture to say that in this area it's absolutely not true... there just aren't that many minorities in white picket fence suburbia - the majority of crime is probably committed by caucausians.

You see my problem is with the polie officer mentality of "stopping crime at all costs". I personally believe that our charter of rights and freedoms (the equivalent to the American constitution) MEANS something and that it was created for a reason. I'm not willing to live in a police state in order to have a crime free utopia.
 
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