2K/Fraxis dont like poor people

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If your poor then bar the fact you probably wont have a PC to run the game, the game itself will be the least of your worries. Poor people in western countries aren't the target demography the only exception I would place on this is poor countries which companies generally lower the price of products in anyway.
 
What is the point of your thread? :huh:

His point is that demanding online registration is excluding alot of people who may not be able to afford their own internet connection. Believe it or not, but there are still lots of people out there who aren't plugged in for one reason or another, and they won't be able to play this game. On the other hand though, if you can afford to own a computer that's going to be powerful to run the game in the first place, chances are you're going to be able to afford an internet connection as well. Dial-up is dirt cheap these days, and that's all you really need. It will be mainly those people who are not connected by choice that will be out of luck.

There are people outside America.

You're mistaken there. Only 24 million people in the entire world that don't have Internet? I don't think so. That number sounds about right for the US, but it's way off for the entire world. Most of the 7 billion or so people now on this planet aren't connected in fact.
 
Only whites can drink from this fountain. Excluding a peoples is wrong. Regardless if you think its a non issue or that they arent alowed to own a computer or buy a game "because they are poor" so they should spend there money on food, not games. They dont deserve a break and cant enjoy to play a game.

Okay, first off, don't you dare compare the inability to play a video game based on financial ability to the systematic dehumanization of millions of people based on the fallacy of race.

Let me say that you're not going to find many people more sympathetic to the lower classes than I am. I know what it's like to be poor. We weren't food-stamps-poor, but we did get donations from the food bank on occasion. We never owned a car less than six years old. I didn't have my own car until my third year of college. My first videogame system was the NES, bought second-hand just over a year before the release of the Super NES. We had about ten games for it. I didn't own a computer until I got to college, and I built it on budget parts paid for by my own money. I had just four games on that (Starcraft, Diablo, Quake, and Civ II).

Did I want more games? Of course. When new games came out requiring dedicated 3D cards, did I whine to the publishers about how they must hate poor people because poor people couldn't afford the 3D cards needed to play their games? No. I didn't complain to game companies that chose to use high quality audio in their games which would have caused my cheap soundcard to fail. I accepted that I didn't have the money to play that game and moved on.

You want publishers to make it so their games are available to poor people? Well, I want the Walmart-enabled subsection of society to accept that they are not entitled to luxuries simply because they are human. I think one of the most damaging trends in the world right now is the idea that everyone should have a 36" widescreen TV and a car and a house with a surround sound theater. This actually ends up driving more exploitation of workers in other countries, so Walmart can supply people with crappy $80 TVs that will fail in four years. It's self (and world) destructive and feeds the idea that everyone has a right to have that New Thing(tm) they see on TV. You don't. You have to buy it. If it's too expensive, then you will just have to deal without.

If a new game comes out and it requires an internet connection (which Civ5 does, just barely) and you can't afford one, then your correct course of action is to simply go without. I know that life is hard. If I can drive a car that's older than me for eight years, then you can deal with waiting a few years before buying a new video game. God, I only wish that my biggest unfulfilled desire was the fact that I couldn't play a video game. I have a good job now, and can do things like go on vacations in Japan and build new computers every three years, but I still can't afford to live in a 3 bedroom house because the banks hate poor people and insist on making me pay a mortgage on it.

Now, I'm not saying that the poor must live in squalor, and I'm not saying that we should try to deny them "fun". I've actually donated a couple thousand dollars of money and merchandise to local schoolchildren who have all the food and blankets they need (thanks to other people), but are lacking in entertainment and happiness. But that's not what you're talking about. You can easily play Civ4. You don't even need the CD anymore. You want to be able to play the new thing and you're demanding that Firaxis make it available to you.

I'm sorry, I'd love to be on your side on this one, but if you can't afford a minimal internet connection, then you'll just have to go without. I assure you, lack of Civ5 won't kill you. I don't have Civ5, and I'm still alive. You sound like a spirited fellow. I'm sure you'll find a way to survive.
 
As much as people have felt the need to automatically criticize what was said in the opening post, it does make some interesting points, and leads to a few others.

In many rural places (yes, in the U.S. even), you have two choices for an internet connection. You can use dial-up, which while cheap isn't worth paying for anymore because the vast majority of online content providers assume much higher speeds, or you can go with a satellite internet connection, which really is prohibitively expensive for many people ($70+ a month in many places).

There is no particular reason why any Civ game should ever need an internet connection. My brother and I played Civ II for several years before we ever had an internet connection, and to this day my brother plays Civ IV without internet access. Requiring internet access for what is primarily a single player game just to activate it doesn't really make sense. If the point is just to help prevent piracy, they could just set up an automated phone system where all you have to do is read some key off of the disk, and then the automated system gives you back your own unique key required for installation. No third parties such as Steam. Just a couple extra phone lines, a couple of computers to store and process the numbers, and some of the usually crappy voice recognition software.

Sure, poor people shouldn't be buying Civ, fine, everyone would probably agree that spending money you don't have on computers and gaming is ridiculous. But there are probably quite a few people out there who can afford to spend money on a computer every few years (you know there are plenty of legitimate work/financial uses of a computer that don't require an internet connection) and buy a $50 game every now and then who can't necessarily afford to spend $70 a month on an internet connection.
 
Video games are excess luxury items. NOBODY needs them, people want them. If you want to play, you need to pay. Bottom line. You need a comp able to run the latest and the greatest with a ONE TIME INTERNET CONNECTION to make sure its legit. After that, no more net needed. Everyone is acting like they are asking for their first born to play. Not the case.

BTW the game may be 50. But unless you are buying a PC, or bought one within the last year, chances are this game will not work for you. So Internet or no Internet, it will not matter.
 
There is no particular reason why any Civ game should ever need an internet connection. My brother and I played Civ II for several years before we ever had an internet connection, and to this day my brother plays Civ IV without internet access. Requiring internet access for what is primarily a single player game just to activate it doesn't really make sense.

That is a good argument, and I can (mostly) agree. Feel free to argue the adding the internet connection to the list of requirements serves little to no purpose beyond supporting the DRM, and that Firaxis should consider a way of remedying this because it is a pointless requirement, just as requiring that a joystick be plugged into a USB socket would be.

But to say that users have the right to demand that a software company comply with their needs because they are subject to economic discrimination when they don't meet the minimum requirements? I don't know if that's stupid or insane. If that were allowed, Crysis would have been sued into oblivion for discriminating against 90% (or more) of the PC gaming market. And speaking of Oblivion, Bethesda would have been a similar target for discriminating against all those people who were short on RAM and storage. What about the first games shipped on DVDs and how they discriminated against people who couldn't afford to buy DVD drives? And that's ignoring that some uses had laptops that couldn't be upgraded to include DVD drives.

In many states, internet access is now being classified as a utility, with appropriate consumer protection and government regulation. It won't be long until games are no longer even required to say that they require an internet connection any more than they are required to say that they require electricity. If you have a PC without access to the internet, you have to accept that you're going to be limited. I understand that it's expensive, but game publishers have zero responsibility to ensure that any particular section of the population is capable of playing their game.

As much as it may disappoint some people to hear this: Firaxis/2K undoubtedly already considered this and came to the conclusion that they will get more new buyers by aligning themselves with a DRM/multi-player/updating service that requires an internet connection than they will lose by requiring people to have an internet connection. In truth, the number of lost sales is probably grossly outnumbered by the number of increased sales. People with game-capable PCs and no internet connection is an increasingly minute percentage of the market.

The reality is, it's so minute that game developers won't (and shouldn't) even consider supporting them unless the cost is non-existent.
 
That is a good argument, and I can (mostly) agree.

Civ 5 doesn't require an internet connection to play. It requires a one off internet connection to validate when you first install it - this can be done over a dial up connection using a free internet trial CD. It is no obstacle to anyone with a phone line.

It is not a good argument.
 
BTW the game may be 50. But unless you are buying a PC, or bought one within the last year, chances are this game will not work for you. So Internet or no Internet, it will not matter.

I doubt that. I would expect the mid-range PC I built at the start of 2008 would be more than enough. I could be proven wrong of course but for a civ game to demand a comp from within the last year would be pretty outrageous. Heck my computer runs the Crysis demo pretty well so I'm hoping that is a good sign.
 
Civ 5 doesn't require an internet connection to play. It requires a one off internet connection to validate when you first install it - this can be done over a dial up connection using a free internet trial CD. It is no obstacle to anyone with a phone line.

It is not a good argument.

I was saying that its only a good argument to say that "Internet Connection" doesn't have a reason for being on the list of requirements to play the game. There isn't a strong reason. It's only there for the (at minimum) one time activation.

This actually weakens that argument, and then I went on to continue to weaken it more and more by saying that the segment of the market that is incapable of fulfilling this requirement is so small that it's not worth addressing them.
 
Civ 5 doesn't require an internet connection to play. It requires a one off internet connection to validate when you first install it - this can be done over a dial up connection using a free internet trial CD. It is no obstacle to anyone with a phone line.

It is not a good argument.

But poor people can't afford electricity or phone lines. How are they going to use their "kompewta" and use the free internet trial CD?

Oh now I understand! You are an A-hat Onliner (AOL) who is trying to force your service on all poor people using the A-hat Onliner free trial CD so you can brainwash them into thinking it's a 'real internet service' when in actuality all you're doing is controlling their minds. :eek:
 
A large number of free internet trial cds can be arranged in a hexagonal style grid, allowing for dead insects to be moved around as units.

I have thought of everything.
 
A large number of free internet trial cds can be arranged in a hexagonal style grid, allowing for dead insects to be moved around as units.

I have thought of everything.

Except they're round. :rolleyes:
 
You tried to cut a CD with scissors? They shatter.
 
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