5 in 1 (mystery SG with twists) - Emperor

[grs]

Yes, we would need a replacement at least for Locomotive. Shall we stop for a moment and reorganise? If all agree, I could give viper Locomotive's variants.

And we should find out if Kiech and Cuivienen are still in. I will pm them.

 

[TimBentley]

The joining of viper275 to the team playing this succession game would be acceptable to me. Kiech hasn't been active since September 1, so I would be surprised if he replied to a pm.

 

[grs]

Cuivienen told me via PM she would like to drop out.

So this leaves us with:

TimBentley
Kiech (maybe?)
Microbe
grs
viper275

I could play it sometime today/tonight and pass it to viper with the list of variants Locomotive had. I will do so if no one objects till then.

 

[viper275]

That's okay with me.

 

[grs]

Started it, but not finished yet. I will do so tomorrow at about that time.

 

[grs]

I will finish tonight.

 

[grs]

PreTurn: Set research up to 40% and lux up to 20%. Change cities to knights and towns to settlers. We still have a 5 turn long deal running with the Vikings so we have to wait. Change border towns to barracks.

IBT: Scandinavia and Persia sign MA vs Maya and declare.

260AD: Chuito founded.

IBT: 16 barb horses show.

270AD: Chuquiapo founded. Xerxes has Gunpowder, but we cant buy it with all our gpt.

IBT: Vikings want ROP and MA vs Maya - no. Maya and Persia sign peace.

280AD: Spain has gunpowder too. 59g and 55gpt to Persia for Gunpowder. Gunpowder for Education and 4gpt to Japan. Gunpowder for 29gpt and 209g to the Maya. The others are broke. There is no salpeter in our lands, next is near Erech (which I can remember we did not take many turns ago )

IBT: --

290AD: Move troops in position. Spend all gold; we will get plundered now.

IBT: Lose 1 spear, 1 worker 2 gold and 4 shields to 16 barb horses.

300AD: Declare on Vikings. Kill 2 spears and take Reykjavik and capture 1 gold and 1 catapult. Kill 2 spears, lose 1 knight and capture Birka. Kill 2 spears and raze Hareid. Capture 2 slaves and kill a zerk in the open.

IBT: Sumeria kills an viking spear for us.

310AD: Huanuco Pampa founded. Kill 2 spears and take Odense. Kill a barb galley. Capture a slave.

IBT: Lose a settler to barbs.

320AD: Disperse a barb camp. Kill 1 spear at Alesund but fail to take it.

IBT: Lose a pike to a zerk.

330AD: Kill an archer and get a leader; build army, fill it with knights, kill 2 spears and take Alesund. Tamboccocha founded.

IBT: Scandinavia and Sumeria sign peace. We need to be careful to avoid a dogpile.

340AD: Kill a spear and a wounded zerk. Scandinavia has muskets so probably there is salpeter somewhere, but we can't see it yet. Kill 2 spears and take Aarhus and 4 slaves in it. Kill 2 spears and raze Starvanger.

IBT: Vikings take back Aarhus. We lose 2 knights and 1 AC. Kill 1 cursader and 3 archers. We train our pike at barbs.

350AD: Incense is connected. WW starts. We kill 3 archers in and around Aarhus, take it back and trigger our golden age. We kill a stray archer and zerk.

I totally stretched us thin in every respect. I would take straight peace with the vikings (you can get a crappy city, but I'd prefer straight to be able to attack again soon). After that you may be able to lower lux again. We miss all infrastruture in our core. I'd build libraries and markets in all our core cities - we are in our golden age now! We should research to cavs and steam later. That is maybe all we need on this map to finish it.

We miss salpeter, we could get it from the Sumerians, but I'd prefer a peacefull GA. Beware barbs in the east.

Good luck.

 

[grs]

military advisor

 

[viper275]

Got it.

 

[viper275]

Preturn: Looks good.
1
AC army about to die, send it to Nasca.
2
Redlined Berserk kills a veteran knight that was at full health. Bad RNG. Begin Heroic Epic, only takes 7 turns in the capital.
3
Turn science down to 40%. Only 1 turn less on chemistry but instead of -10 or so gpt it's about +40.
4
Bergen captured, we now have Knights Templar. Yay! Maya signs peace with Scandinavia and Spain. Spain declares on Japan.
5
Nothing
6
None
7
Zzzz...
8
Trondheim and the Great Lighthouse captured. Chemistry ==> Astronomy. Heroic Epic completed.
9
Got an MGL from an AC attacking a Viking Archer.

10
Put the MGL in Cuzco. Whoever's next up can decide what to do with him.

 

[grs]

Wow, I am surprised you could continue successful warring with the bits I left you! Could you get some infra in our golden age? Can we even destroy the vikings in one go? Did you find any salpeter source?

Chemistry ==> Astronomy

I'd rather go for Metallurgy and Military Tradition. We won't need ships on this panagea and cavs would be nice.

Seems best microbe is up now and we have a decent play order again. Tim was before me, correct?

improved roster:

TimBentley - on deck
grs
viper275 - just played
microbe - up

 

[viper275]

Wow, I am surprised you could continue successful warring with the bits I left you!

The armies are really helpful, especially in C3C. I also built some Knights later on.

Could you get some infra in our golden age?

Yes, mostly Libraries and Courthouses. As mentioned in the turnlog, also grabbed the Heroic Epic.

Can we even destroy the vikings in one go?

I think so. With the new MGL we now will have 3 armies. A few more Knights and I think that they're dead.

Did you find any salpeter source?

I will check but I'm pretty sure there aren't any we see. Edit: Checked. Nothing.

I'd rather go for Metallurgy and Military Tradition. We won't need ships on this panagea and cavs would be nice.

Cavs will help us out but I wanted to get a few more Ancient Cavs. The Vikings attack with units that have fairly low defense that could be easily destroyed by the Ancient Cavalry. Having 6 health points when Elite also helps. This doesn't mean that we won't research it soon, just maybe not right now.

 

[grs]

Cavs will help us out but I wanted to get a few more Ancient Cavs. The Vikings attack with units that have fairly low defense that could be easily destroyed by the Ancient Cavalry. Having 6 health points when Elite also helps. This doesn't mean that we won't research it soon, just maybe not right now.

You are right, I didn't think about the SoZ getting obsolete with metallurgy already.

 

[TimBentley]

Getting the MGL one turn after the Heroic Epic was nice. After looking at the save, I suspect there is saltpeter near Stockholm, which I think is in the north.

Tim was before me, correct?

Correct.

 

[microbe]

preturn:

Fix a lot of towns. Why do we have a clown in size-1 city? Why not starving size-7 city? We should have razed it by the way.

Also, why are we researching a tech that we can trade?
Persia has a lot of money so it gets Chemistry by 2517g.
Maya gets Chemistry and gives Banking+84g.
Spain gets Chemistry and gives Astronomy+10g.
25gpt to Persia for spices.
Chemistry to Korea for Monarchy+Printing Press+7gpt.

Rush a couple of markets and a bank. Rush courthouse in Andahuaylas.

Why are we building courthouse in a ring-1 city? Switch to marketplace and rush it.And building courthouse in our FP city? I switch to MDI to complete next turn.

We have a lot of empty towns, and we have to fix this - I hate to see a town empty, it's just inviting AI sneak attack. Despite that, we have 3 knights fortified in a size-1 town - why?

The MGL builds another army.

Set science to 40% and get Metallurgy in 9 turns with +14gpt with the help of a lot of scientists.

IBT Sumeria and Maya make peace. Persia demands Incense and I give to him (I wonder why I didn't trade to it?). Palace expansion.

(1)460AD:

Recall our galley. It's supposed to transport settler to the east side, not overseas.

IBT a zerk enters our territory. Bergen riots.

(2)470AD:

Persia has Democracy.

Copenhagan:
AC army drops 7hp and kills vet musket.
Vet knight 3/1 retreats from reg musket.
Vet knight 4/1 loses to musket and promotes it.
AC army 4/3 kills musket.
AC 0/3 kills spear and we capture the city. It has zero improvements.

IBT we lose MDI to barb horse!

(3)480AD:

Knight army kills musket, vet knight kills spear and we capture Molde.

IBT Vikings and Spain make peace.

(4)490AD:

Knight army captures Bodo and we get furs. Lux drops to 10%.

(5)500AD: Sumeria is up to something.

(6)510AD: ZZZ

(7)520AD: Sumeria is definitely going to attack, so I buy Navigation from it with 49gpt. Sell Wines to Persia for 242g.

(8)530AD: Hmm, maybe Sumeria is just going to attack Japan whom it's been at war with..anyway, I ask it to leave and it declares.

Flawlessly kill 8 MDI and a few longbow and archers.

I notice Japan is OCC and going to die, so out of sympathy I gift Caxamalca to it so it could stay.

I then sell Astronomy to Japan and get 4 workers+WM+24g. Sell our wines to Persia for 242g.

IBT Vet pike loses to MDI. Korea and Japan make peace.

(9)540AD: We learn Metallurgy.

Navigation+WM to Korea for silks+16g and lower lux to 0. Set sci to 100% to get Military Tradition in 4 turns with -171gpt.

I could sell Metallurgy to Persia for 2731g, but others are broke except that Spain has 16gpt to spare. I hold it for now.

Kill two more MDI.

Knight army kills EW in Erech, the saltpeter town.

IBT Palace expansion.

(10)550AD: Persia only wants to pay 2418g now for Metallurgy. Since Persia has no saltpeter, I make the deal.

Army autorazes Erech. We have a settler on the way to claim the saltpeter in a couple of turns.

And of course, we can take the last Viking city which also has saltpeter. We have an army nearby.

We have some knights in Arequipa and Kisurra unmoved.

We should slow down research after Military Tradition. Take some cities from Sumeria and launch a dogpile on Persia after the deals expire.

 

[TimBentley]

I got it. I will probably play tonight.

 

[microbe]

I have a question for the new comers:

I assume everyone knows what his (inherited) variant is. But do you also know what variant of the next person is? Sometimes certain things need to be setup to make that possible.

If you are unsure, please PM your next player and ask?

 

[TimBentley]

550(0)-notice crusaders and realize Bergen has Knights Templar
MM several cities, mostly for faster growth in corrupt cities
change some builds
Maya would offer 18gpt+ for metallurgy, Spain would offer 11gpt+, I'll keep my eyes open
Switch some knight builds to MDI, switch Arequipa to aqueduct

IBT-Beserk kills crusader, Sumerian longbowman kills pike
Golden age ends
Bergen library->court
Tiwanaku MDI->market
Copenhagen library->court
Machu Picchu court->aqueduct, MM it for more production
Reykjavik library->market
Cori MDI->MDI
Vilcabamba aqueduct->university
Aarhus library->court
Kisurra library->court
Korea starts Magellan's Voyage

560(1)-elite knight kills longbowman
army kills beserk

IBT-Crusader produced

570(2)-zzz

IBT-Persians raze Caxamalca, destroy Japan
Birka settler->court
Molde worker->court
Persia starts Smith's Trading Company

580(3)-crusader kills musket in Stockholm

IBT-pike defends against longbowman
Cori MDI->knight
Huamanga MDI->knight
Anda library->market
Nasca market->aqueduct

590(4)-MDI kills musket in Lagash
Found Tambo Colorado near former Erech
Found Huaca in east
There might be room for another city if those barbs are taken care of (about 20 total)

IBT-Persia starts Magellan's Voyage

600(5)-crusader dies to musket in Stockholm
MDI kills musket to raze Lagash, capture 3 workers

IBT-Sumeria wants peace, I decline
Sausa worker->court
Machu Picchu aqueduct->knight

610(6)-I notice the pentagon has not been built; Cuzco would build it the fastest
Elite knight kills longbowman, creates leader, is renamed Fast Killer
knight army kills MDI

IBT-barb horse moves
crusader produced
Vilcas university->bank
Arequipa aqueduct->court

620(7)-Music theory is well known

IBT-MDI kills Sumerian MDI
Persia, Sumeria, Maya start JS Bach's Cathedral
barb horse moves toward Kuara

630(8)-Persia knows military tradition, he wants 1816g for it
vet MDI kills longbowman
Manco Inca builds an army which should be filled with cavalry

IBT-Cori knight->knight
Huamanga knight->knight
Vitcos library->aqueduct
Alesand settler->court

640(9)-trebuchet bombardment fails, MDI promotes killing musket in Ur
elite knight kills MDI
found Huaras at old Lagash

IBT- lose 2 workers to barb horse
Cuzco university->pentagon
Bodo worker->court
Nasca aqueduct->library

650(10)-saltpeter has been connected
upgrade 10 pikes to muskets

Notes: I have left military units ready to capture Stockholm and Ur. Remember to sell granaries since Ur contains the Pyramids. Military tradition can be researched in two turns. There is an army in Cuzco that can be filled.
Oh, and hopefully specialists can be fired when the Vikings are conquered, since that should eliminate WW.

Here is the save.

 

[microbe]

Interesting. I guess you are not allowed to do research.

 

[grs]

...I am somehow puzzled on how you could not take the last Viking city...strange ruleset...