5CC Regent Training Game

[Hawk Chieftain]

Steel- Why didn't you use the Leader to rush Leo's?
Or, are using it to pre-build for Smith's?
The reason why I chose to research Gunpowder was to beeline for Military Tradition, and get our UU. That way we could easily defeat the Arabs, and move on to our next opponent.
Everyone- do you think it would be a good thing to get a few galleys, and send them on a suicide mission to get some contacts? We have been self-researching most of the techs, so we might get a cheaper price w/some contacts.

 

[Tasslehoff]

Hawk- no need for suicide missions- I already did. See my turnset

Choxorn- I'm 1 turn from Gunpowder, the road is more than halfway built.

The turnset was pretty good, although I lost a few elites to bad RNG luck . Lots of combat, but only two cities razed, unfortunately.

Spoiler Turnset :

Turn 0-250 AD - Look things over, hit enter. Nothing interesting.

Turn 1-260 AD - Edrine, Bursa, Uskudar Knight->Knight. vMI kills barb horse (1-0), vKnight kills rHorse (2-0), vSword kills rHorse (3-0)

IBT - vSword defends, promotes (4-0)

Turn 2-270 AD - vMi kills barb warrior (5-0). eSword kills vSword (6-0), vHorse attacks rSword, retreats, no damage (6-1), eSword kills rSword (7-1) vKnight kills rArcher (8-1).

IBT - rSword kills eSword (8-2).

Turn 3-280 AD - Iznik Knight->Suicide Galley. vMI finds camp. vKnight kills vSword (9-2). vKnight retreats attacking rSpear on Suhar (9-3).

IBT - vArcher kills fortified eSword (9-4).

Turn 4-290 AD - Edrine Knight->Pike. Bursa, Uskudar Knight->Knight. Science->40%, with Banking in 1. vKnight retreats to rSword (9-5). vMI disperses camp (10-5). eSword kills rSword (11-5). vMI kills rSword (12-5). vKnight kills vSpear, razes Suhar (13-5).

IBT - vKnight defends vSword (14-5). vKnight defends barb, promotes (15-5).

Turn 5-300 AD - Get banking, Gunpowder @50%, in 9, +1GPT. Edrine Pike->Bank. Iznik Galley->Bank. vKnight kills Harappan encampment (16-5). Spice colony built.

IBT - vMI defends rSword, dies against another (17-6).

Turn 6-310 AD - eMI kills vSpear (18-6). vKnight kills rArcher (19-6). vKnights kills rArcher (20-6), vKnight kills vSword (21-6). vKnight kills rSword (22-6). Switch Uskuda, Bursa to banks.

IBT - rArch kills vKnight, then is disbanded (22-7). The Arabs must be past their unit support level .

Turn 7-320 AD - vKnight dies rSpear, which is unhurt (22-8). Science-60%, Gunpowder in 6, -8GPT.

IBT - Arabs want peace. I tell them to stuff it. rGalley defends vs. barbs on the way to suicide crossing (23-8).

Turn 8-330 AD - Barbs in the South and East. vKnight kills barb horse (24-8). eKnight kills rspear, captures settler (25-8). vKnight kills rMI (they've got feudalism!) (26-8).

IBT - vKnight retreats to rMI (26-9). vKnight defends barb warrior (27-9).

Turn 9-340 AD - vKnight kills rMI (27-9). vKnight kills rMI (28-9). vKnight kills rArcher (29-9).

IBT - Edrine, Uskudar Bank->Knight.

Turn 10-350 AD - eHorse disperses Bantus (30-9). eKnight kills barb horse (31-9). Send suicide galley, which crosses in one turn! We meet the Germans. Trade contact with Arabs for World map and contact with Aztecs.
Trade Arabs to Aztecs for Americans. Trade Arabs to Americans for Iroquois. Trade Arabs to Iroquois for English. Most of them have Gunpowder, Astronomy, or both. None have banking. eSword dies, redlining rSpear (31-10). vHorse kills redlined rSpear, captures another settler (32-10). Science->40%, Gunpowder in 1. vKnight kills rMI (33-10). vKnight kills rSpear (34-10). eKnight kills rSpear, razes Basra (35-10). vKnight kills rMI (36-10). vKnight kills rMI (37-10)

We're doing pretty well. The Arabs are gonna lose another settler next turn to four MIs.

Save: http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/117283/Hawk01Tas_350AD.SAV

Spoiler Screenies :

Bismarck's Dealie:

Our beautiful core:

The War Zone:

The Other Mainland:

The Peninsulas on the Other Mainland:

 

[Steel_Khalil]

Steel- Why didn't you use the Leader to rush Leo's?
Or, are using it to pre-build for Smith's?

Honestly... I dont know what to do with it sorry >.<
Btw, made another mistake... didn't know we were ottos O.O
forgot sipahis

 

[killerkid]

Here's my question for when I play:

1. Should I rush Smith's with the leader?

I am probably going to trade an AI banking for astronomy.

 

[Bucephalus]

Here's my question for when I play:

1. Should I rush Smith's with the leader?

I am probably going to trade an AI banking for astronomy.

lurker's comment:

Smith's is probably not your best choice of Wonder for a 5CC; either Copernicus or Newton's would be a better choice, IMO, and they are both coming up soon.

 

[killerkid]

Buce-probably going to do Copernicus in our best science city.

 

[Bucephalus]

Buce-probably going to do Copernicus in our best science city.

lurker's comment:

If you also look to then pre-build there for Newton's, you will have a super-Science city.

 

[choxorn]

Who needs a pre-build when you have Great Leaders?

Wait a turn before trading Banking for Astronomy. Some of them might also have Chemistry, which you can trade for after researching Gunpowder. Trade it now, and they'll trade it to everyone they know.

I think the road is built enough to research down that line. Good job.

Also, once you have Astro, you probably won't need to suicide galleys to reach the other continent.

2 razed cities isn't that bad. There have been 0 in a few past turns.

Which city has the best sci production? Probably, either Istanbul or Edrine, but I don't know for sure- check.

 

[Bucephalus]

Who needs a pre-build when you have Great Leaders?

lurker's comment:

Do you have more than one?

 

[choxorn]

No, but with all this combat, it's only a matter of time before one sprouts up.

 

[Bucephalus]

No, but with all this combat, it's only a matter of time before one sprouts up.

lurker's comment:

The odds are against that, so why put all your chickens in one basket?

 

[killerkid]

This is my got it. Will be done tonight or tomorrow.

 

[Tasslehoff]

Who needs a pre-build when you have Great Leaders?

Wait a turn before trading Banking for Astronomy. Some of them might also have Chemistry, which you can trade for after researching Gunpowder. Trade it now, and they'll trade it to everyone they know.

I think the road is built enough to research down that line. Good job.

Also, once you have Astro, you probably won't need to suicide galleys to reach the other continent.

2 razed cities isn't that bad. There have been 0 in a few past turns.

Which city has the best sci production? Probably, either Istanbul or Edrine, but I don't know for sure- check.

My suggestion: Wait a turn before trading. Then, trade Banking for Chemistry (first if they have it), Astronomy, and maybe a tech following Astronomy.

None of our cities have universities, but Iznik has the best sci production due to the power of the Colossus. I suggest we use our leader to rush Copernicus', start a palace pre-build for Newton's, and finish Leo's in Istanbul. Can Knights upgrade to Sipahi? If so, Leo's will be very useful.

Actually, we don't need suicide galleys now. Our galleys can make a crossing in one turn.

killerkid- make sure your MI stack grabs that settler/spear combo. I suggest sending those MIs to raze a city on their own- it frees up our Knights to kill things faster

 

[Bucephalus]

Iznik has the best sci production due to the power of the Colossus.

lurker's comment:

Remember that the Colossus becomes obsolete shortly.

 

[choxorn]

Flight isn't "very shortly" even in an accelerated production game.

 

[Bucephalus]

Flight isn't "very shortly" even in an accelerated production game.

lurker's comment:

Good catch, Chox - I had it in my head that it obsoleted with Steam.

 

[Steel_Khalil]

To wrap up things.

Rush Cop's then pre-build for Newt's.
Banking - Astronomy/Chemistry.
Cop's and Newt's at Iznik.
Leo's at Istanbul.
Raze more cities. ^_^
Do we already have Saltpeter? o.o
Hope the road is done already...
We're i think, 10-20 turns for Military Tradition.

 

[killerkid]

Still playing.

I have:
Gotten Leos
Rushed Copernicus
Found saltpeter near the spice colony (still have to colonize it)
Razed Shiraz

Will post full update this afternoon or night.

 

[killerkid]

I'm finally done. This turnset was great. We went 45 and 7 in the battles!!
We razed:

Najran
Shiraz
Bukhara
Mansura and
Muscat
We are in position to raze Aydab in two turns.

We also took out 2 settlers.
The turnset:

Spoiler :

Look things over. Everything is good.

IBT- 3/5 knight kills Arab MI (1-0) Set research to Chemistry. Bursa Bank>University.

Turn 1-360 AD- We don't have saltpeter in our territory, but it is 2-3 squares west of our spice colony.
Raise science to 60% Chemistry in 9 turns, +0 gold. Kill a barb horse and
a barb warrior. MI kills Spear (2-0), takes 2 workers. Send another MI to cover him as there is an archer next to him. Disperse barb encampment. Move units towards Shiraz. Trade Americans Banking for Astronomy, Republic, World Map, and 3 gold. Don't wait for Iznik (best sci city) to finish bank, as the AI's who have had Astronomy for awhile are bound to finish copernicus soon. Rush copernicus.

IBT- MI Kills archer, knight loses to MI, Knight kills MI.(4-1) Complete Leo's and Copernicus!!
Istanbul and Iznik Knight>University.

Turn 2-370 AD- Kill a barb, find camp. Knight kills MI, (5-1) 4 knights ready to attack Shiraz, set ambush for two Arab MI's.

IBT- Arabs fall in our ambush, Edrine, Uskadar, Knight>University. Give our palace a top section.


Turn 3-380 AD- Kill a barb. Attack Shiraz. Knight kill spear(7-1), another knight razes the city (7-1)!! Send in 1 knight to protect as there is an Arab archer nearby which I can't get to. Knight kills horse. (8-1) 2 knights kill 2 MI's, knight kills archer .(11-1) Move 5 knights in position to attack Bukhara in two turns. Move other knights towards Muscat.
Move 2 workers to get the saltpeter.

IBT- My Knight kills one MI (12-1) loses to another (12-2)

Turn 4-390 AD- Sack barb camp. Knight kills MI (13-2) Horse loses to spear. (13-3) Knight kills archer (14-3) Knight kills spear. (15-3) Unfortunately he is redlined and will probably die next turn. Knights ready to attack Bukhara next turn. Get another 3 Arab workers making the road. 2 more squares,
and it's all grassland or plains.

IBT-My knight loses to archer (15-4) Bursa University>Knight

Turn 5-400 AD- Kill a barb, find 2 camps. Complete a road. Knight kills spear, destroys settler. (16-4) Attack Bukhara. 2 knights kill 2 spears. Raze Bukhara. (18-4) Knight kills archer. (19-4) Knight kills MI. (20-4) Knight kills spear. (21-4) Knight kills archer (22-4) Change of plan. The arabs could be researching gunpowder right now, so we send some knights towards Mansura, 1 of their 3 gunpowder cities.

IBT- My Knight kills MI (23-4) barb horse kills a worker Istanbul, Iznik University>Bank.

Turn 6-410 AD- Kill 2 barbs. Knight kills spear (24-4) 3 knights kill 3 MI's (27-4) Move units.

IBT- My Knight retreats to MI (Arabs starting to make veterans)My Knight kills MI (28-4) Edrine, Uskadar University> Knight.

Turn 7-420 AD- Sack 2 barb camps. Lower science, Chemistry still coming in 2. Knight attacks Najran, kill spear (29-4) raze city. 2 Knights kill 2 archers. (31-4) knight kills MI (32-4) finds 2 spears and a reg MI.

IBT- Arabs move a bunch. Send a spear/settler combo right next my elite knight!!

Turn 8-430 AD- Attack Muscat. Knight kills spear (33-4) knight retreats from spear, knight kills spear (34-4), razes city. Knight kills archer (35-4) Knight retreats from spear. Knight kills MI, (36-4) knight kills spear/settler combo (37-4), gets leader!!! Newtons shall be ours! We rename our knight Sir Isaac, as he is the knight that made sure we get Newtons.
Knight kills spear in Mansura (38-4), but at least one more spear in the city. Move MI's towards Aydab, Knights towards Mansura/Damascus. Set science at 10% chemistry in 1 turn. Find out knights CAN upgrade to Sipahi

IBT- Arab spear kills my 1/5 knight that I couldn't defend. (38-5) Chemistry>Metallurgy

Turn 9-440 AD- set science to 60% metallurgy coming in 7 turns, with -6gold. Kill a barb, find a new camp. Knight loses to spear Grr!! (38-6) Attack Mansura. Knight retreats. Knight kills spear. (39-6) Knight kills spear (40-6), we raze Mansura. 2 knights kill 2 MI's (42-6) 2 knights kill 2 spears (44-6) Move workers.
No one has anything to trade for chemistry except useless Music Theory, so we don't trade it.

IBT- Sir Isaac (1/5) gets killed by a MI. (44-7) Oh well, he was good while he lasted. Barbs destroy outpost. Edrine, Uskadar Knight>Knight

Turn 10-450 AD- Kill a barb. Barb camp is found up north, will kill a worker next turn. Knight kills Archer (45-7)Move MI stack towards Aydab.

Sorry the set was so lengthy, a lot happened!!

The War Zone:

Spoiler :

The blue circles are our conquests. Long live the Ottomans!

Home, sweet home:

Spoiler :

The SAVE:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/62562/Hawk01_Killerkid_450_AD.SAV

 

[Tasslehoff]

You say "Find out Knights can upgrade to Sipahi." How do you know? Did the Americans trade Banking around already?

on all the battle! Methinks the Arab's time in this world is ticking away quickly.