5CC Space Race interest thread

[DWetzel]

If we run engineerin on an extra turn, we could then sell engineering and keep educacation, if we did sell engineering I would build Copernicus in Moscow though, there again the AI might self research education

This is a good idea--sell Engineering and not Education. If we sell them all Engineering, many of them will go for Invention instead of Education.

 

[TheOverseer714]

I like that idea, too. I have the save and should be able to start tomorrow.

 

[DWetzel]

*crickets* Overseer, how goeth the fight?

 

[TheOverseer714]

I finished, just have had some vicious stomach flu and didn't feel like writing things up. Anything wrong I blame on cognitive diminishment due to flu. I can give you the turn-log and save here:

Spoiler :

Pre-flight: CivAssist 2, Word running. Get the save loaded. Look things over.
Looking good. Move the tech slider down to 90%, making Engineering four turns cuts the red ink down to -21 gpt. As suggested also, stop the worker mining.

Non-Combat
Workers 11
Slaves 3
Scout 1

Military units:
Warriors 1
Archer 1
Ancient Cavalry 10
Spearmen 1

Total units 25
Allowed units 15
Support cost 20 gpt

Contacts
Babylon-Peace
France-Peace
Inca-Peace
Ottomans-Peace
Vikings-Peace
Hittites-Peace
Portugal- War

Cities
Moscow, Size 12, growth in 1, Great Wall in 6 turns.
Novgorod, Size 10, growth in 20, Copernicus in 24 turns.
Rostov, Size 8, growth in 3, Sistine in 15 turns.
Yaroslav, Size 8 growth in 3, Courthouse in 4 turns.
Yekatarinaburg, Size 7, growth in 6, University in 1 turn.

Sliders
8/2/0, Engineering in 4 turns at -21 gpt, 120 in the bank.

Hit enter=>

IBT: Pachacuti comes asking for another 20 turns. Sure. French land a settler near northern AC.
Yekatarinaburg University=>Courthouse.

Turn 1, 70 AD: AC south of Novgorod finds a barb camp. Workers continue their efforts.

IBT: France joins Portugal in an alliance against us. Thanks for the future slaves!

Turn 2, 90 AD: Kill the French Spear, lose 2 hp, netting 2 slaves. Kill a barb warrior with eAC, lose 1 hp. Move a few ACs for possible action.

IBT: A French horse moves onto hill near Rostov.

Turn 2, 110 AD: vAC defeats intruder, losing 2 hp. Colonize and hook up Furs. Add 2 workers to Novgorod, Bringing Copernicus to 17 turns. Destroy barb village S of Novgorod for 25 gold. Lower tech slider to 50% to get max overrun profit on Engineering.

IBT: Babylon demands Education but backs off n declaring war after I refuse.
Engineering arrives, next is Invention in 5 turns at -20 gpt.
Yaroslavl Courthouse=>Bank.

Turn 3, 130 AD: Sell Engineering for 100 gold to the Vikings. Ottomans researched it too. Sell Engineering for 57 gold to the Hittites.

IBT: Nothing happens obvious, though checking CA2 revealed that the Ottomans bought Chivalry from Babylon.

Turn 4, 150 AD: Nothing happens.

IBT: French horseman threatens workers near Rostov.
Moscow Great Wall=>Worker.

Turn 5, 170 AD: Move workers to safety. Move eAC towards the action.

IBT: French horses head toward Yaroslavl.
Moscow Worker=>Bank.

Turn 6, 190AD: Move some ACs into area near Yaroslavl.

IBT: French continue march toward Yaroslavl.

Turn 7, 210 AD: eAC takes out French horseman, losing 1 hp.
Adjust tech slider to 70% for overrun bonus.

IBT: French troops make a right turn.
SoZ gives us an AC
Invention arrives, next is Gunpowder in 5 turns at -43 gpt.

Turn 8, 230 AD: eAC takes out French horseman, losing 1 hp.
Trade Invention to Vikings for Chivalry and 141 gold.

IBT: French units advance.

Turn 9, 250 AD: Dispatch French Archer cleanly. Kill a barb warrior with vAC cleanly, find village.

Non-Combat
Workers 9
Slaves 5
Scouts 1

Military units:
Warriors 1
Archer 1
Ancient Cavalry 12
Spearmen 1

Total units 25
Allowed units 15
Support cost 20

Contacts
Babylon-Peace
France-Peace
Inca-Peace
Ottomans-Peace
Vikings-Peace
Hittites-Peace
Portugal-War (alliance with France.

Cities
Moscow, Size 12, growth in 18, Bank in 5 turns.
Novgorod, Size 12, growth in 8, Copernicus in 9 turns.
Rostov, Size 9, growth in 13, Sistine in 4 turns.
Yaroslav, Size 9, growth in 2, Bank in 9 turns.
Yekatarinaburg, Size 8 growth in 6, Courthoouse in 2 turns.

Sliders
10/0/0, Gunpowder in 4 turns at -43 gpt, 400 in the bank.

The save:

 

[DWetzel]

Looks like you should play sick more often!

We may want to consider making a serious raid on France (slaves = yummy) which means military (knights) in lieu of building banks. By "serious raid" I mean trying to take out two or three cities, raze them, and hopefully get some slaves out of the deal. A lot of slaves now will make things sooooo much easier when it comes time to rail everything.

Alternatively, I'd be fine with peace with France sooner rather than later.

What we don't want to have happen, and I've seen it in these sorts of games, is to get on the wrong end of a significant dogpile. We can handle the trickle of units from 1 or 2 civs, especially far-away ones. We don't want to get in a situation we can't handle. We're in a fortunate spot with a pretty weak immediate neighbor. It'd be nice to take the chance to make them even a bit weaker (but still early enough that they can re-settle the area before our stronger neighbors do).

 

[del62]

Sounds like its going well, good time for the French to declare when they had a settler pair, I will make some more comments after looking at the save.

 

[darski]

Just sayin... it's been 6 pages since we had pics... would appreciate an updated look see if possible

 

[del62]

I noticed that the Vikings will give us a good deal for banking, I think whoever is next up should sell Banking to him immediately for 58 gpt, this will slow his research of astronomy

Is it worth attacking loan archer with elite AC before interturn and moving AC out of rostov to place him on mountain

 

[del62]

Oh and is the Knights Templar (12 turns) in Moscow an option instead of Bank

 

[DWetzel]

58gpt is a lot.

However, we can probably get that for Gunpowder in a few turns.

Also however, since they have Invention they'll probably research Gunpowder before Astronomy anyway (right?).

On balance, I'd probably do it, but if we do I'd tend to try to make some peace along the way to avoid the Vikings being bought in against us and us losing that cash.

 

[del62]

I reckon get the deal for banking from vikings then establish embassy and get alliance versus portugal if we can (maybe for gunpowder) with them and make peace with france (after getting some workers)

 

[del62]

Just sayin... it's been 6 pages since we had pics... would appreciate an updated look see if possible

Next time I do a turnset I will put some pictures up for you

 

[darski]

Next time I do a turnset I will put some pictures up for you

thank you... appreciate it

 

[Spoonwood]

I'd recommend selling them Banking as that will make them have more gpt in the future usually (GAs come as the exception, I think).

 

[sk8boardbob2]

Ok I'll play this tomorrow night or Saturday.

So we want to sell Banking to the Vikes and get them in an alliance vs Portugal? Wouldn't it make for sense to establish the embassy first so we can tie in the alliance with the GPT? We'd probably get a little less GPT but isn't that better than giving them gunpowder?

 

[del62]

Dont tie in the gpt with an alliance, if they make peace with portugal prematurely we lose our gpt

 

[DWetzel]

Ok I'll play this tomorrow night or Saturday.

So we want to sell Banking to the Vikes and get them in an alliance vs Portugal? Wouldn't it make for sense to establish the embassy first so we can tie in the alliance with the GPT? We'd probably get a little less GPT but isn't that better than giving them gunpowder?

We don't particularly care if they have gunpowder. They can build alllllllll the muskets they want.

EDIT: Also, it may just be smart to gift Chemistry around once we get it; there's a (slim, but plausible) chance that we go Physics-ToG-Magnetism and someone somehow saves time for us by getting Metallurgy which we'd save for last for a few reasons.

 

[del62]

sk8boardbob2 who is it going?

 

[sk8boardbob2]

Sorry the files were on my laptop which I didn't have access to.

Spoiler :

IBT-quite a few french horses and archers move our way
260AD- Sold banking to vikes for 55 gpt
build embassy, free spy on capital shows sistene in 57
they want astronomy for a MA vs portugal, we'll wait for

gunpowder
eACav gets us our first leader! used him to build an army so we

can get military academy later
IBT-barb horse show up near novograd
270AD- kill all french forces in our borders
IBT-stupid barb horse pillage mine
280AD- move native workers to join rostov
IBT- barb dies attacking novograd
finish Sistene in Rostov start on uni
Gunpowder-> Chemistry in 6 turns at 100%
free ACav
290AD- mini cascade from sistene, ottomans get knights templar
300AD- portugal completes temple of artemis
moscow bank->temple, i'm guessing with sistene's we're going to

want caths?
IBT Pachachuti demands invention, i give it to him, we don't

need more war
310 AD- kill portugese archer near chokepoint
IBT- portugese archer attacks injured ACav, dies
320 AD- cash rush uni and market
IBT rostov university ->bank
yaroslav bank->temple
yekaterinburg market->temple
330AD- kill french archers, disperse encampment
340AD- some portugese soldier arrive on screen near the

chokepoint we have enough ACav to block them
350AD- chem->physics in 6
novogrod copernicus->temple
we have three ACav that can attack Rheims in one turn
I left the army empty for now, I don't know whether we want to

wait for cavs or whatever

 

[Spoonwood]

Most cities will work a full 20 tiles, and the others in your empire 18 or 19. Even with the extra contentedness at Monarch, cathedrals+Sistine will help here to keep research up and luxes low. Did the army defeat any of the other tribe's units? You need that for the Military Academy (but you'll want to wait until an AI researches MT for you). You can check by seeing if you can build the Heroic Epic.